The islamic lie

Retired_Can_Soldier
#1
Sure to attract the naysayers and defenders, but it is obvious that Islam is rife with social injustice, inequality and moral decay.

MUSLIM WOMAN TELLS THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM - YouTube

This is very instructional.

How to beat your wife - YouTube

Here's some instructional stuff on how to beat your wife from the knuckle-draggers of the world.

Wife Beating in Islam - The Rules - YouTube

I can see the rebuttals now.

Yeah but Mel Gibson beat his wife and he's CATHOLIC
 
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SLM
No Party Affiliation
+5
#2
Personally I think Mel Gibson beat his wife because he's a nutjob.

Actually I think any guy that's beats his wife is a nutjob. Sad, angry little men.
 
CDNBear
+6
#3  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by SLM View Post

Personally I think Mel Gibson beat his wife because he's a nutjob.

Actually I think any guy that's beats his wife is a nutjob. Sad, angry little men.

Like bagging a womens face to remove temptation, and of course other things.

Misogynist asshats.
 
petros
+3
#4
I'd hate to be a Libyan women. Now that al Qaeda is the official govt they are instituting Sharia law. Boy did we ever do them a big favour.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+1
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I'd hate to be a Libyan women. Now that al Qaeda is the official govt they are instituting Sharia law. Boy did we ever do them a big favour.

Maybe.....

Maybe not.

But we owed GoDaffy for Lockerbie.

And everyone, including the Libyans, deserves a chance at building a decent society.

We'll see.

I saw an amazing thing on TV this morning.......Muslim Arab rebels carrying a US flag down the street......as rebels came up and KISSED IT!!!!!!

Now, you don't see THAT every day!

And I don't think any of them were al Quada.............

My advice to the Libyan people??? Hang on to those Kalishnikovs and FN FALs I saw you with....they might come in handy again.
 
DaSleeper
#6
Quote:

[4:34] The men are made responsible for the women,** and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme

Source: Sura 4, Women (Al-Nesã?) Quran The Final Testament, translated by Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.
 
petros
#7
Quote:

And I don't think any of them were al Quada.............

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...eda-links.html

They've killed Americans and Brits in Iraq and now they run Libya. WTG!

Libya had it pretty damn good compared to other Islamic nations. Now they have al Qaeda for a govt. Is that worth Lockerbie?
 
SLM
No Party Affiliation
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Like bagging a womens face to remove temptation, and of course other things.

Misogynist asshats.

Other things like female circumcision?

Yeah it's all about control and domination.

Equality trumps culture.

But there's also plenty of control and domination that goes on over here as well. My sister-in-law works in an emergency shelter, she's told me some stories.
 
TenPenny
+3
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by SLM View Post

Actually I think any guy that's beats his wife is a nutjob. Sad, angry little men.

That's certainly true. And any religion (Christian, Muslim, or otherwise) that promotes or accepts such behaviour is beneath contempt.

Any religion or religious authority that tolerates or promotes sexual abuse of children is even lower, in fact would be criminal.

Which is why I have little use for most organized religions. They talk a lot, but their actions are generally pretty contemptable.
 
CDNBear
+1
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by SLM View Post

... she's told me some stories.

I've heard many nightmares myself. I work with at risk native youth.

They aren't all at risk because they chose a wrong path on their own.
 
SLM
No Party Affiliation
+2
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

I've heard many nightmares myself. I work with at risk native youth.

They aren't all at risk because they chose a wrong path on their own.

Of course not.

You know, while my ex-husband was not physically or even really verbally abusive, he was extremely dominant and controlling. I spent many years bottomed out with my self-esteem. And after the separation, when I was 'recovering' I guess you might call it, I was actually talking to her about it (she's his sister btw) and she told me I sounded like a lot of the women she counsels. That shocked me, sort of snapped me out of it.

Believe me when I say I empathize with these women, and with the youth you work with. It can, and does, happen to anyone.
 
petros
+1
#12
My Mrs sees the worst of the worst day in day out on both side of the scenario. From the beasts behind bars to having to do CPS orders because mom is forever comatose after a failed suicide attempt. We live in one very very ****ed up world.
 
CDNBear
+4
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by SLM View Post

Of course not.

You know, while my ex-husband was not physically or even really verbally abusive, he was extremely dominant and controlling. I spent many years bottomed out with my self-esteem. And after the separation, when I was 'recovering' I guess you might call it, I was actually talking to her about it (she's his sister btw) and she told me I sounded like a lot of the women she counsels. That shocked me, sort of snapped me out of it.

Believe me when I say I empathize with these women, and with the youth you work with. It can, and does, happen to anyone.

One of the most ignorant, IMHO, myths about the First nations, is that we don't treat women equally.

Anyone with a clue, can easily research the fact that the women of the Haudenosaunee, were the defacto Senate. It was very much a matriarchal society. I grew up in the home of traditionals. My Grandfather was a ruff and tuff, patient man, who believed in community and the sanctity of a mans castle. But he knew Grandma ran it and he always bowed to her wisdom. I learned as much from her as I did from him.

Women are the bearers of life. To be respected, protected, cherished, adored, revered, and treated equally.

Not possessions, things to be covered to ease a mans weaknesses. Walking three paces behind.

Ten Penny, pretty much summed up the rest of my opinion.
Last edited by CDNBear; Aug 24th, 2011 at 07:20 PM..
 
petros
+1
#14
Kookum knows everything.
 
DaSleeper
+5
#15
My wife lets me walk in front of her simply to break trail
 
CDNBear
+1
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Kookum knows everything.

Thanx to SCB, I know what that means, lol. And you're right.

Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

My wife lets me walk in front of her simply to break trail

You too? SCB says the Great Spirit graced me with size 15 feet for a good reason.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+1
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Thanx to SCB, I know what that means, lol. And you're right.

You too? SCB says the Great Spirit graced me with size 15 feet for a good reason.

Size 15! Do you paddle that canoe with your feet?
 
CDNBear
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

Size 15! Do you paddle that canoe with your feet?

No, I use a paddle. But I have no need of snowshoes.
 
DaSleeper
+1
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

No, I use a paddle. But I have no need of snowshoes.

Ya beat me to that one while I was getting a coffee
 
petros
+2
#20
 
CDNBear
+1
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Ya beat me to that one while I was getting a coffee

I might be chubby, but I'm quick!
 
eh1eh
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

Sure to attract the naysayers and defenders, but it is obvious that Islam is rife with social injustice, inequality and moral decay.

MUSLIM WOMAN TELLS THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM - YouTube

This is very instructional.

How to beat your wife - YouTube

Here's some instructional stuff on how to beat your wife from the knuckle-draggers of the world.

Wife Beating in Islam - The Rules - YouTube

I can see the rebuttals now.

Yeah but Mel Gibson beat his wife and he's CATHOLIC

Quote:

Yeah but Mel Gibson beat his wife and he's CATHOLIC

Ya, because her sphincter wasn't tight enough to meet seminary standards.
 
DaSleeper
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

I might be chubby, but I'm quick!

Also very agile.....I was surprised at the ease you got in and out of that car of yours
 
SLM
No Party Affiliation
+2
#24
Gosh I love you guys.

Where else can a girl go from a conversation on Islamic wife beaters to Sasquatch all in the same evening?
 
eh1eh
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by SLM View Post

Gosh I love you guys.

Where else can a girl go from a conversation on Islamic wife beaters to Sasquatch all in the same evening?

Too narrow for you?
 
CDNBear
+1
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Also very agile.....I was surprised at the ease you got in and out of that car of yours

I don't so much drive it, as much as I wear it from place to place.

Quote: Originally Posted by SLM View Post

Gosh I love you guys.

Where else can a girl go from a conversation on Islamic wife beaters to Sasquatch all in the same evening?

This is nothing. You should see us when we put our minds to it. The sh!t goes off the hook.

Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh View Post

Too narrow for you?

Hey eh1, how's trix bud?

SLM is one of us good guys.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
+1
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph

They've killed Americans and Brits in Iraq and now they run Libya. WTG!

Libya had it pretty damn good compared to other Islamic nations. Now they have al Qaeda for a govt. Is that worth Lockerbie?

One of the Council Leaders announced 1 or 2 days ago that after he along with others would face trial for crimes committed under Qaddafi Now as it was announced publicly we may see what occurred in SA - truth and Reconciliation - who knows. But the people will be looking for fair justice.

Now we wait and watch to see what happens.
 
SLM
No Party Affiliation
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

.

This is nothing. You should see us when we put our minds to it. The sh!t goes off the hook.

I have seen. This is the reason why I read the thread from newest to oldest post. So I can be where it's happening.



Quote:

Hey eh1, how's trix bud?

SLM is one of us good guys.

I really am,

Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh View Post

Too narrow for you?

Narrow, wide, it doesn't matter. I just dig random.
 
gerryh
+1
#29
So, are ya's finished bashing all 1.5 million plus Muslims in the world? Or does the small minded need more time?
 
AbtFet
#30
Accusations of bias
Several commentators, such as CNN's Arabic department, have claimed that the transcript of the April 13 show (2007) provided by MEMRI contains numerous translation errors and undue emphases.[26]
Brian Whitaker, the Middle East editor for the Guardian newspaper wrote in a public email debate with Carmon, "My problem with Memri is that it poses as a research institute when it's basically a propaganda operation."[3] In an earlier column, Whitaker charged that MEMRI's role was to "further the political agenda of Israel."[1] Whitaker complained that MEMRI's website does not mention Carmon's employment for Israeli intelligence, or Meyrav Wurmser's "extreme brand of Zionism." Whitaker believes MEMRI is not a trustworthy vehicle given the founders political background.[3]
Responsing to Whitaker's criticism of Carmon's "political background", Carmon argued:
"You continually refer to my supposed "political background" as if I had something to hide, and I wonder if I am your real target here. As a civil servant and adviser on counter-terrorism to both Yitzhak Shamir and Yitzhak Rabin, prime ministers from opposing camps, my role was not a political appointment. If your complaint is that I am Israeli, then please say so."[3]
Carmon also questioned Whitaker's own biases, stating that:
I note your website is "Al-Bab", ("The Gateway" in Arabic). Would I be justified in concluding that you are not, in fact, completely neutral about the Middle East, even though you are Middle East editor of a national newspaper? I wonder how you would judge an editor whose website was called "Ha-Sha-ar" ("The Gateway" in Hebrew)?.[3]
[edit]Selectivity
Several critics have accused MEMRI of selectivity. They state that MEMRI consistently picks for translation and dissemination the most extreme views, which portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light, while ignoring moderate views that are often found in the same media outlets.[1][22][22][23][24] Juan Cole, Professor of Modern Middle East History at the University of Michigan, argues MEMRI has a tendency to "cleverly cherry-pick the vast Arabic press, which serves 300 million people, for the most extreme and objectionable articles and editorials" [27] Former CIA counterintelligence official Vincent Cannistraro also charged that "MEMRI is selective and acts as propagandists for a political point of view which follows the extreme right of Likud."[28] Laila Lalami, writing in The Nation, states that MEMRI "consistently picks the most violent, hateful rubbish it can find, translates it and distributes it in e-mail newsletters to media and members of Congress in Washington".[22] As a result, critics such as Ken Livingstone state, MEMRI's analyses are "distortion".[29][30][31]
[edit]Translation inaccuracy
See also: Tomorrow's Pioneers#Translation controversy
The accuracy of MEMRI's translations are often disputed,[32] as in the case of MEMRI's translation of a 2004 Osama bin Laden video, which MEMRI defended.[3][30][33][34][35] Norman Finkelstein, in an interview with the newspaper In Focus compared MEMRI to the "propaganda techniques" of the Nazis.[36]
Following the 7 July 2005 London bombings, Al Jazeera invited Hani al-Sebai, an Islamist living in Britain, to take part in a discussion on the event. For one segment of the discussion in regard to the victims, MEMRI provided the following translation of al-Sebai's words:
the term civilians does not exist in Islamic religious law. Dr Karmi is sitting here, and I am sitting here, and I’m familiar with religious law. There is no such term as civilians in the modern western sense. People are either at war or not.[37]
Al-Sebai subsequently claimed that MEMRI had mistranslated his interview, and that among other errors, he had actually said:
there is no term in Islamic jurisprudence called civilians. Dr Karmi is here sitting with us, and he's very familiar with the jurisprudence. There are fighters and non-fighters. Islam is against the killing of innocents. The innocent man cannot be killed according to Islam.
By leaving out the condemnation of the "killing of innocents" entirely, Mohammed El Oifi writing in Le Monde diplomatique argued that this translation left the implication that civilians (the innocent) are considered a legitimate target.[29]Several British newspapers subsequently used MEMRI's translation to run headlines such as "Islamic radical has praised the suicide bomb attacks on the capital"[38] prompting al-Sebai to demand an apology and take legal action. He also claimed that MEMRI's translation was "an incitement to have me arrested by the British authorities."[39]
Halim Barakat described MEMRI as a "a propaganda organization dedicated to representing Arabs and Muslims as anti-semites." Barakat claims an essay he wrote for the Al-Hayat Daily of London titled The Wild Beast that Zionism Created: Self-Destruction, was mistranslated by MEMRI and retitled as Jews Have Lost Their Humanity. Barakat further stated "Every time I wrote Zionism, MEMRI replaced the word by Jew or Judaism. They want to give the impression that I’m not criticizing Israeli policy, but that what I’m saying is anti-Semitic".[36][40][41] According to Barakat, he was subject to widespread condemnation from faculty and his office was "flooded with hatemail."[42][43] Fellow Georgetown faculty member Aviel Roshwald accused Barakat in an article he published of promoting a "demonization of Israel and of Jews".[44] Supported by Georgetown colleagues, Barakat denied the claim[45] which Roshwald had based on MEMRI's translation of Barakat's essay.[44]
In 2007, CNN correspondent Atika Shubert and Arabic translators accused MEMRI of mistranslating portions of a Palestinian children's television programme.
"Media watchdog MEMRI translates one caller as saying - quote - 'We will annihilate the Jews,"' said Shubert. "But, according to several Arabic speakers used by CNN, the caller actually says 'The Jews are killing us."'[46][47]
CNN's Glenn Beck later invited Yigal Carmon onto his program to comment on the mistranslation. Carmon criticized CNN's translators understanding of Arabic stating: "Even someone who doesn't know Arabic would listen to the tape and would hear the word 'Jews' is at the end, and also it means it is something to be done to the Jews, not by the Jews. And she (Octavia Nasr) insisted, no the word is in the beginning. I said: 'Octavia, you just don't get it. It is at the end'". Brian Whitaker, the Middle East editor for the Guardian newspaper (UK) later pointed out that the word order in Arabic is not the same as in English: "the verb comes first and so a sentence in Arabic which literally says 'Are shooting at us the Jews' means 'The Jews are shooting at us'".[32]
Brian Whitaker wrote in a blog for the Guardian newspaper that in the translation of the video, showing Farfour eliciting political comments from a young girl named Sanabel, the MEMRI transcript misrepresents the segment. Farfour asks Sanabel what she will do and, after a pause says "I'll shoot", MEMRI attributed the phrase said by Farfour, ("I'll shoot"), as the girl's reply while ignoring her actual reply ("I'm going to draw a picture").[48] Whitaker and others commented that a statement uttered by the same child, ("We're going to [or want to] resist"), had been given an unduly aggressive interpretation by MEMRI as ("We want to fight"). Also, where MEMRI translated the girl as saying the highly controversial remark ("We will annihilate the Jews"), Whitaker and others, including Arabic speakers used by CNN, insist that based on careful listening to the low quality video clip, the girl is saying "Bitokhoona al-yahood", variously interpreted as, "The Jews [will] shoot us"[48] or "The Jews are killing us."[49]
MEMRI defends their translation of the show, saying: "Yes, we stand by the translation by the very words, by the context, by the syntax, and every measure of the translation."[49]
In response to accusations of inaccuracies and distortion, Yigal Carmon, said:
As an institute of research, we want MEMRI to present translations to people who wish to be informed on the ideas circulating in the Middle East. We aim to reflect reality. If knowledge of this reality should benefit one side or another, then so be it.
In an e-mail debate with Carmon, Whitaker asked about MEMRI's November 2000 translation of an interview given by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to al-Ahram al-Arabi. One question asked by the interviewer was: "How do you deal with the Jews who are besieging al-Aqsa and are scattered around it?" which was translated as: "How do you feel about the Jews?". MEMRI cut out the first part of the reply and combined it with the answer to the next question which. Carmon admitted this was an error in translation but defended combining the two replies as both questions referred to the same subject. Carmon rejected other claims of distortion by Whitaker, saying: "it is perhaps reassuring that you had to go back so far to find a mistake ... You accused us of distortion by omission but when asked to provide examples of trends and views we have missed, you have failed to answer." Carmon also accused Whitaker of "using insults rather than evidence" in his criticism of MEMRI.[3]
Whitaker claims that although Memri's translations are usually accurate, they are selective and often out of context. He stated: "When errors do occur, it's difficult to attribute them to incompetence or accidental lapses ... there appears to be a political motive."[32]

God damn, who the hell uses this crap as an actual legitimate source, LOOOOOOOOOOL.
 

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