Future of the Conservative Party


View Poll Results: Does the Conservative Party still have a future in Canadian Politics?
If you were a Conservative last week, are you still a Conservative today? 5 35.71%
If you weren't a Conservative last week, are you now a Conservative today? 0 0%
If you were you a Conservative last week, are you still a Conservative? 2 14.29%
If you weren't a Conservative last week, are you still not a Conservative? 6 42.86%
Other: If so, please feel free to explain. 1 7.14%
Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll

Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
#1
This is just an informal survey to satisfy my curiosity, and anyone else who's curious.

If you were a Conservative last week, are you still a Conservative today?
If you weren't a Conservative last week, are you now a Conservative today?
If you were you a Conservative last week, are you still a Conservative?
If you weren't a Conservative last week, are you still not a Conservative?
Other: If so, please feel free to explain.
 
Machjo
#2
I wasn't Conservative, and still am not Conservative. However, we can say that I tend towards the moderate left overall, but quite Conservative on the economic and moral fronts but quite progressive on the international front. In fact, on one election years ago, I was debating between the Reform party (free trade) and the NDP (international relations, education). I wasn't even looking at the liberals (not far enough on free trade and not far enough on international relations, just mainstream mediocrity on both fronts).

And last election, I was tempted to vote Green (socially progressive and economically conservative, with a strong international outlook). I still wasn't satisfied, so I handed a blank ballot at the last minute, but the Green Canadidate came closest to the mix I was looking for.

Now after the election, I was actually happy to hear the Conservatives propose cuts to parties and mention nothing about the auto industry, though I wouldn't have minded seeing more money in education.

Unfortunately, no mention of education, and the NDP and Liberals are more interested in porkbarelling the auto industry than improving education.

This is why I think it's time for a purging on the left like the right had gone through a few years back. The Green party is a good start (like I mentioned before, a kind of 'Reform Party' experiment), but unless the Greens can transform themselves a little more, I think a 'Canadian Alliance' of the left is still to come. And who knows, eventually a new merging with the traditional left wing parties like what happened to the Conservatives? Of course the left doesn't need to follow the right's history verbatim, but it gives some idea of where things might have to go to revive the left.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
#3
Can someone please try out the Poll at the top of the page so I know if it's working???
I've tried it (first time I've tried to set up a poll) and all I'm getting is this:


Ron in Regina, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:
  1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
  2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.
 
Machjo
#4
I got the same.
 
scratch
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Can someone please try out the Poll at the top of the page so I know if it's working???
I've tried it (first time I've tried to set up a poll) and all I'm getting is this:


Ron in Regina, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

  1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
  2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

Ron,
I have set up a few and it can be confusing. Honestly rather than have the poll as a separate entity it should remain inside the original post, in my opinion.
Your poll is there and I voted. I haven't checked to see if it registered though.
rgs
scth
Last edited by scratch; Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:36 PM..Reason: add info
 
Colpy
Conservative
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Can someone please try out the Poll at the top of the page so I know if it's working???
I've tried it (first time I've tried to set up a poll) and all I'm getting is this:



Ron in Regina, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

  1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
  2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

Me too.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by scratch View Post

Ron,
I have set up a few and it can be confusing. Honestly rather than have the poll as a separate entity it should remain inside the original post, in my opinion.
rgs
scth


Oh Well....ya' learn something new everyday. Next time. I just tried to follow the
prompts, but I must have missed something, or something...
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#8
Can we have the maintenance people fix that please?
 
scratch
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Oh Well....ya' learn something new everyday. Next time. I just tried to follow the
prompts, but I must have missed something, or something...

Ron I posted a vote and it DID NOT register. Problem there.

scratch
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#10
I got a message that I don't have permission to participate in polls...
 
Kreskin
#11
This scheme by the NDP and Liberals will amount to a money grab from Alberta for spending in Ontario. This could well propel the west closer to separation. The conservatives should move the tanks to Alberta and get ready to lead the separation march.
 
Lester
No Party Affiliation
#12
Yep there's quite a buzz about what form the hooping will be in- will it be a carbon tax or just a "hands up" were about to be looted and razed to the ground.
 
Kreskin
#13
Lester, there may be looting in biblical proportions before this is over.
 
Lester
No Party Affiliation
#14
Yep, I think the bubble is about to burst- Some of the big plants up north have put their exapnsions on hold and mothballed a few others. Just last week there were 5000 layoffs in the trades. I smell a Carbon Tax
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#15
Twenty years ago I considered myself N.D.P. but came to the conclusion that party will only work in a society where everyone wants to do his share and a wee bit more. Since then I don't subscribe to any of them, just vote for the least odorous candidate in my riding regardless of party.
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#16
Wow...you guys are really caught up in the doom and gloom hyperbole...

Maybe we should give our new government a chance to perform before we write the country off as ruined...

We at least afforded the previous government that simple courtesy...


My biggest concern is that this looks like the coalition is being setup to take a fall...like maybe that the economy is far worse off than we've been told, and that Flaherty's FU was strategically designed to get the opposition to bring down the Cons before any of us realize how dire Canada's straits really are...

That would be win-win for the Cons, as they can be perceived to be bullied out of their nests, and the new government will fail to fix an economic situation that was FUBAR to begin with...

After all that, the cons could probably pull off a majority...

Of course Canada could be royally ****ed by then...

I guess we'll see soon enough...
 
Lester
No Party Affiliation
#17
Clever Plan, but what about moose and squirrel?
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Lester View Post

Clever Plan, but what about moose and squirrel?

 
Kreskin
#19
Vanni, this is a coup de tat. Such powers should never be invoked, unless the government is setting up gas chambers or something that the people need protection from in dramatic fashion. All this for an economic plan? That's preposterous. What next, is the Queen of England going to step in and bring the coalition down?

My hope is this action leads to a huge decline in support for those three parties. Their lack of scruples is unprecedented.
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci View Post

Wow...you guys are really caught up in the doom and gloom hyperbole...

Maybe we should give our new government a chance to perform before we write the country off as ruined...

We at least afforded the previous government that simple courtesy...


My biggest concern is that this looks like the coalition is being setup to take a fall...like maybe that the economy is far worse off than we've been told, and that Flaherty's FU was strategically designed to get the opposition to bring down the Cons before any of us realize how dire Canada's straits really are...

That would be win-win for the Cons, as they can be perceived to be bullied out of their nests, and the new government will fail to fix an economic situation that was FUBAR to begin with...

After all that, the cons could probably pull off a majority...

Of course Canada could be royally ****ed by then...

I guess we'll see soon enough...

Vanni I don't think they are clever enough for that kind of plan. I am sure that the country is in an economic mess like almost every where else in the world but I think that our resource based economy can weather the storm.
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

Vanni, this is a coup de tat. Such powers should never be invoked, unless the government is setting up gas chambers or something that the people need protection from in dramatic fashion. All this for an economic plan? That's preposterous. What next, is the Queen of England going to step in and bring the coalition down?

My hope is this action leads to a huge decline in support for those three parties. Their lack of scruples is unprecedented.

This is the nature of parliamentary minority governments...

...and what scruples did the Cons show us when their mandate was to present a coherent plan for the economic crisis, but instead resorted to partisan hackery?

When they were to provide some level of detail on an economic stimulus, they instead decided to take cheap shots at funding for political parties, women in high paid civil service positions that Cons feel should not make as much money as their male counterparts, and civil servants' right to strike...

The opposition has every right to question their ability to govern when they failed so miserably on a key economic update...

Having refused to work with the rest of parliament and then to have bundled into the FU three items that the Cons knew none of the opposition would agree to seems a little more than suspect to me...

But then I haven't had my tonic yet, and I may be a little surly because of it...
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

Vanni I don't think they are clever enough for that kind of plan. I am sure that the country is in an economic mess like almost every where else in the world but I think that our resource based economy can weather the storm.

No, they're not clever at all, but they are political, and know very well how to shift blame...
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci View Post

No, they're not clever at all, but they are political, and know very well how to shift blame...

I had a good look at Hansard and it seems like the opposition has been trying for months to get answers out of Harper and his crew about some kind leadership, or some some kind of stimulus for the economy. This action was almost a last resort.

The conservative party will be around for a good while yet but Harper's days are probably numbered.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#24
The conservative party will always be around, and rightfully so. I am not a Tory but I respect the opinions of fiscal conservatives. Social conservatives, I hope they fade away but its unlikely. I do support the end of this government, as Harper overstepped his boudneries and deserves what he gets.
 
Kreskin
#25
We aren't even in a recession at this point. They haven't failed at all, let alone miserably. Did someone expect them to solve the global financial crisis? Canada's in better shape than most. The crooks want to raid the trough to buy some votes in Ontario. They should be ashamed of themselves. This won't be forgotten.


Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci View Post

This is the nature of parliamentary minority governments...

...and what scruples did the Cons show us when their mandate was to present a coherent plan for the economic crisis, but instead resorted to partisan hackery?

When they were to provide some level of detail on an economic stimulus, they instead decided to take cheap shots at funding for political parties, women in high paid civil service positions that Cons feel should not make as much money as their male counterparts, and civil servants' right to strike...

The opposition has every right to question their ability to govern when they failed so miserably on a key economic update...

Having refused to work with the rest of parliament and then to have bundled into the FU three items that the Cons knew none of the opposition would agree to seems a little more than suspect to me...

But then I haven't had my tonic yet, and I may be a little surly because of it...

 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#26
I doesn't matter what he did, its primarily what he failed to do. He didn't bring an acceptable plan to parliament. He also used the pending economic crisis to introduce unacceptable policies that are being rejected by almost everyone. This guy has to go and that is the end of it. It demonstrates that the opposition can unite. We don't have a recession and that is true, but the problem is coming right at us Harper is seen to be doing nothing. It is his attitude that has caused the problem and now there is no turning back. When you are playing bull**** poker one should always bring a fan, something Harper forgot
 
Inteligento
Conservative
#27
What if ?

Just Dreaming 1

The Lieutenant Governor was to appoint Steven Harper as Prime Minister of a coalition government assembled by the Liberals, NDP and Block Que. , could this unlikely scenario by possible ?

Imagine having to tell the official opposition all you dirty little secrets .

 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#28
She would be lynched. The idea is to get rid of "One Man Show" Harper. His arrogance is his undoing. Having said that, I think Vanni is on to something. I smell a rat and it is coming from the Con side. I think Harper just found out what the ruling elite are up to and does not want to get left holding the bag. Bail out! Bail out! or as Monty Python would say "Run Away! Run Away!"
 
scratch
#29
PO knew it but would not admit he knew like everything else he is involved with along with his buds that form PO & Co.
 
Walter
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

coup de tat

coup d'etat
 

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