US screwing around in Venezuela?


mrmom2
#1
When wll the US stop meddling in other countrys affairs?
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/AGE503A.html[/quote]
 
Reverend Blair
#2
There's oil in Venezuela, and Chavez is the one who made OPEC viable again. There have also been a lot of left-leaning politicians being elected in South America since Chavez came to power. He does one nobody else has ever tried there before...he helps the poor people. The example he has set is spreading.

Canada should be inviting him on state visits, but instead we invite George Bush.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#3
The will never stop minding other peoples business.
Amercia has become an empire, using economics as it territory, and the goal is not to spread democracy the goal is to preserve the power of the empire.
 
ElPolaco
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

Canada should be inviting him on state visits, but instead we invite George Bush.

AT least you only have to deal with him on state visits, we're stuck with him all the time. Anyway, the positive regime changes in Latin America may be the best thing to come out of PNAC fixation with the middle east. However, we have to remember that the US intervention in the Dominican Republic occured during the Vietnam war.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#5
The will never stop minding other peoples business.
Amercia has become an empire, using economics as it territory, and the goal is not to spread democracy the goal is to preserve the power of the empire.
 
PoisonPete2
#6
Cuba has been very active in setting up a functional education system in Venezuala.The country has a failing infastructure with little money put into highways since the 1980s oil money dried up. The CIA had 'agents provecteur'? in Venezuala prior to the last attempted overthrow of Chavez. I saw them rabble rousing in fishing villages and again and again in various parts of the country. A well financed group. The CIA were involved in the kidnapping of Chavez but he left a crack unit hiding in the palace. There is little reason for him to trust the U.S. but Canada could do much to help and prevent a turn to the 'dark side'. Its one of my favourite countries.
 
Reverend Blair
#7
I'd love to go there, Pete.

Cuba has supplied a lot of doctors in exchange for oil as well. The program has gotten the people solidly behind Chavez, which is what really saved him in the attempted coup and the US back referndum to depose him. The US was also instrumental in the oil strike there...where the rich people went on strike.

Now the US is wondering why Chavez bought a bunch of AK-47s from the Russians. Gee, maybe they are afraid the US will be backing a dirty little proxy war like they've done so many times before...
 
MMMike
#8
They don't need to meddle with Venezuela.... just wait for the country to go bankrupt the way of Cuba. "Nationalizing" foreign owned business... jacking up taxes on foreign oil firms.... just watch the capital flee from Venezuela.
 
mrmom2
#9
Venezuela's got oil MMMike there not going broke anytime soon and thats not the point of this thread
 
Reverend Blair
#10
It's been five or six years MMMike. The Venezuelan people are pleased with their leader. That's in spite of meddling by USA.
 
peapod
#11
I just love the way cuba gets bashed, um...okay lets see, the dictator that was in place before castro was a whole lot worse than castro to his people...but ummmmm...lets see he was backed by the the US so this dictator was okay..whoa its confusing nes pas? only if you have the IQ of a nat :P
 
Said1
Free Thinker
#12
So everyone here supports Chavez, despite what's been reported. Is it all propaganda? Is he a "nice" dictator? Seriously?
 
mrmom2
#13
The only reason the US is messing with Chavez is because he has oil and no longer wants to sell it to the US
 
Reverend Blair
#14
First of all he isn't a dictator, Said 1. He's been elected and he survived a referendum that attempted to remove him. Second of all, human rights in Venezuela have gotten better since he came to power. That's not to say that he's perfect, but he is far better than those who preceded him and those who the US has habitually backed in South America.

You should tell us what reports you've read though. There have been several instances of the US press reporting things that were just Bushite propaganda.
 
mrmom2
#15
How far will Bush go ?
http://infowars.com/articles/militar...s_meets_pr.htm
 
Said1
Free Thinker
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

First of all he isn't a dictator, Said 1. He's been elected and he survived a referendum that attempted to remove him. Second of all, human rights in Venezuela have gotten better since he came to power. That's not to say that he's perfect, but he is far better than those who preceded him and those who the US has habitually backed in South America.

You should tell us what reports you've read though. There have been several instances of the US press reporting things that were just Bushite propaganda.

Here's something I found interesting. You may not have a problem with it, but it makes me weary. Chavez may have been elected, but he's a communist and I think he's going to prove to be dangerous for his people. http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1030
 
mrmom2
#17
Good article Said1 next time use the URL button when you post it makes it easy for everybody else to read After reading that you got to wonder if Globovision is a CIA sponsored company The shoe fits
 
Reverend Blair
#18
Globovision is merely the worst of a bad lot though. Perhaps they were targeted (not a lot different than the way the Bush administration went after Howard Stern) or perhaps they were breaking the law and got caught.

The fact is that the privately owned media in Venezuela is all anti-Chavez and they are still allowed to operate. There have been ongoing regulation problems because the Venezuelan government did not have the resources to enforce the regulations, but they do have more resources now.
 
jimmoyer
#19
We don't know truly if that democracy is legitimate until we see another election there.

And the private media in Venezuela is an endangered species.

Once again America mucked it up down there, but watch the new Fidel of Latin America rise.
 
mrmom2
#20
You don't know if your democracy is legitiment :P Jim With your electronic voting machines and all there problems and no way of tracking who voted for who :P
 
jimmoyer
#21
No election is without fraud and mistakes.

Of all the schemes to avoid the problems in every election, only one stands out and makes all issues moot, and that is when the winner wins by enough of a margin to safely and statistically conclude that the mistakes and fraud are not near enough to change the results.

In the 2000 election my mom was ready to deposit her punch card vote in a box and noticed that she mistakenly received two punch cards.

The electoral officials were kind enough to let her redo it right without her having to go to the back of the line and wait to vote accurately.
 
mrmom2
#22
Do you know who owns the voting machines Jim?Former CIA people ,convicted felons running some of the companys Its like letting the fox gaurd the hen house
 
Reverend Blair
#23
Quote:

We don't know truly if that democracy is legitimate until we see another election there.

Chavez has already won two elections. When the US backed a coup against him, the Venezuelan people rose up to reinstate him.

Quote:

Once again America mucked it up down there, but watch the new Fidel of Latin America rise.

Ah, red-baiting and fear-mongering. Senator McCarthy would be so proud...
 
jimmoyer
#24
Yes that is true, but that second election so fouled by American skullduggery and the militant threatening passion of Chavez, should be enough for you to consider there are no angels in Angel Falls.

And your hypocrisy of saying this is red-baiting and fear-mongering makes you no better than those who attack you for daring to criticize Bush.
 
Reverend Blair
#25
Quote:

Yes that is true, but that second election so fouled by American skullduggery and the militant threatening passion of Chavez, should be enough for you to consider there are no angels in Angel Falls.

He won the second election because of the massive amount of poor people who came out to support him. They were there because for the time ever they have schools, medical care, and even some roads. Hell, some of them even have jobs.

Quote:

And your hypocrisy of saying this is red-baiting and fear-mongering makes you no better than those who attack you for daring to criticize Bush.

Just returning the favour.
 
jimmoyer
#26


LOL.
 
YankinCanada
#27
Truth is Venazeula exports 90% of its oil to the USA. Because we have the only oil refineries outside of Venezuela that can refine their oil. You should not bite the hand that feeds you. Woops I am taliking to Canadians...... sorry
 
Reverend Blair
#28
The truth is that Venezuela could export to China or the EU. It is them that's feeding you.
 
Said1
Free Thinker
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

The truth is that Venezuela could export to China or the EU. It is them that's feeding you.

OMG, I think I'm about to agree with you! Truth is, it looks like they might go that way too. These new world order alliences are getting might scary.
 
Reverend Blair
#30
Very complicated.
 

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