What Brexit would look like for Britain


Blackleaf
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Why a Brexit could be very good for Britain...

What Brexit would look like for Britain


Life outside the EU could be very good for us




Daniel Hannan, a Conservative MEP for South East England
23 January 2016
The Spectator

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‘Iceland is much better off outside the EU,’ says its prime minister Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson. Iceland has 300,000 people. Britain is the fifth largest economy in the world, the fourth military power, a leading member of the G7 and one of five permanent seat-holders on the UN Security Council. I think we might just about scrape by.

‘So what’s your alternative?’ demand Euro-enthusiasts. ‘D’you want Britain to be like Norway? Or like Switzerland? Making cuckoo clocks? Is that what you want? Is it? Eh?’

The alternative to remaining in a structurally unsafe building is, of course, walking out; but I accept that this won’t quite do as an answer. Although staying in the EU is a greater risk than leaving — the migration and euro crises are deepening, and Britain is being dragged into them — change-aversion is deep in our genome, and we vote accordingly. Europhiles know that most referendums go the way of the status quo, which is why their campaign is based around conjuring inchoate fears of change.

What is the alternative? Well, all the options involve remaining part of the European free-trade zone that stretches from non-EU Iceland to non-EU Turkey. No one in Brussels argues that Britain would leave that common market if it left the EU. Nor, in fairness, do Remainers. Instead, they talk about jobs being ‘dependent on our trade with the EU’, hoping that at least some voters will hear that line as ‘dependent on our membership of the EU’.

So when every non-EU territory from the Isle of Man to Montenegro has access to the European free trade area, which model should we follow? The nations arguably most comparable to Britain, being neither microstates nor ex-communist countries, are Iceland, Norway and Switzerland. All three prefer their current deal to ours: 60 per cent of Icelanders, 79 per cent of Norwegians and 82 per cent of Swiss oppose EU membership. Who can blame them? Norway and Switzerland are the wealthiest and second-wealthiest nations on Earth.

Norway is a member of the European Economic Area (EEA); Switzerland is in EFTA. The EEA was established in 1992 as a waiting room for the EU. It contains what was originally envisaged as a transitional mechanism for the adoption of EU legislation — the ‘fax democracy’ which Europhiles like to bang on about.

Never mind the archaic metaphor: Little Europeans are nostalgists at heart. The charge is that Norway has no vote in some EU regulations that it later enforces. But this is more a problem in theory than in practice. According to the EFTA Secretariat, the EU generated 52,183 legal instruments between 2000 and 2013, of which Norway adopted 4,724 — 9 per cent. A written answer to a parliamentary question in Iceland found a similar proportion: 6,326 out of 62,809 EU legal acts between 1994 and 2014. Yet rather than use the official statistics, Europhiles have seized on a remark by a Eurofanatical Norwegian minister to the effect that ‘three quarters of our laws’ come from Brussels, and have -solemnly translated that throwaway line into an official-sounding ‘75 per cent’.


Daniel Hannan believes Britain would be far better off outside the EU


In Switzerland, there is no ambiguity: the figure is zero per cent. The Swiss sometimes copy EU regulations for reasons of economy of scale, though more often both Switzerland and the EU are adopting global rules. But though Swiss exporters must meet EU standards when selling to the EU (just as they must meet Japanese standards when selling to Japan), they generally don’t apply those standards to their domestic economy. Britain, by contrast, must apply 100 per cent of EU regulations to 100 per cent of its economy.

Switzerland is not a full participant in the single market in services. This doesn’t mean, obviously, that UBS can’t operate in Frankfurt, but it does mean that Swiss financial institutions are not part of the same regulatory structure as those in the EU. If they want to trade there, they must adopt different rules. The flipside, of course, is that Zurich doesn’t need to worry about the expensive and sometimes downright malicious EU regulations that menace London: the Alternative Investment Fund Managers Directive, the short-selling ban, the bonus cap, the Financial Transactions Tax.

Now here’s the clinching statistic. The EU takes 64 per cent of Swiss exports, as opposed to 45 per cent of British exports. Europhiles like to claim that ‘around’ half of our exports go to the EU, but that figure has fallen by 10 per cent since 2006. How much lower must it go before we drop the idea that we need to merge our political institutions?

To summarise, then, Norway gets a better deal than Britain currently does, and Switzerland a better deal than Norway. But a post-EU Britain, with 65 million people to Switzerland’s eight million and Norway’s five, should expect something better yet.

The deal on offer is based on free trade and intergovernmental co-operation. We’ll recover our parliamentary sovereignty and, with it, the ability to sign bilateral trade deals with non-EU countries, as Norway and Switzerland do — an increasingly important advantage when every continent in the world is growing except Antarctica and Europe. We’d obviously remain outside Schengen.

Would we have to pay a participation fee? According to Professor Herman Matthijs of the Free University of Brussels, who has produced the only like-with-like comparator, Iceland’s annual per capita contribution is €50, Switzerland’s €68 and Norway’s €107 — largely because Norway insists on opting into lots of EU aid and research projects. Iceland, though it has precisely the same treaty terms, chooses to participate in fewer common activities and so pays less. The United Kingdom’s -current per -capita annual payment, by the same methodology, is €229.

Why should the other member states allow Britain such a deal? Because it would be in everyone’s interest. The UK runs a structural deficit with the EU, only partly offset by its surplus with the rest of the world. On the day we left, we would immediately become the EU’s biggest export market. The idea that either side would wish to jeopardise the flow of cross-Channel trade is bizarre. And, in any case, it is remarkably difficult, under WTO rules, to apply a trade barrier where you previously didn’t have one.

Many European federalists actively campaign for Britain to be given an economics-only relationship — what Jacques Delors calls ‘privileged partnership’ and Guy Verhofstadt ‘associate membership’. It would allow them to push ahead with a European army, a common tax system and so on, while Britain led an outer tier of some 20 European states and territories, part of a common -market but not a common government.

‘Iceland is much better off outside the EU,’ says prime minister Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson. ‘Unemployment is minimal, purchasing power has never been higher, and we have control over our own legal framework, currency and natural resources.’

Iceland has 300,000 people. Britain is the fifth largest economy in the world, the fourth military power, a leading member of the G7 and one of five permanent seat-holders on the UN Security Council. I think we might just about scrape by.


What Brexit would look like for Britain » The Spectator
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
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Where have I heard those arguments before? Oh right - from Quebec separatists. The idiot is comparing apples and oranges using Switzerland with its secret bank accounts and Norway with its huge oil revenue with Britain - unless he imagines Britain is suddenly going to become a major tax haven or a huge oil exporter (not likely given current oil prices and the fact that Britain consumes all of the oil it produces).
 
Blackleaf
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Sons of Liberty
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Hard to say, the EU is a mess.
 
Blackleaf
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Britain will be far better off out. The EUSSR needs Britain more than Britain needs it.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Don't expect to get your Empire back!
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Don't expect to get your Empire back!

Why not? Britain is entirely well within its rights to claim Canada. After all, we established it.

By rights, Canada and New England should at least have the status of British Overseas Territories, like the Falklands and Bermuda etc.

First council in England set to vote to leave the EU

Alliance of Ukip, Conservative and independent councillors hopes to convince councils across England to reject Britain's EU membership


Havering Borough Council, east London, looks set to vote to support Britain's exit from the EU Photo: Getty Images



By Michael Wilkinson, Political Correspondent
27 Jan 2016

A London council is set to become the first publicly-elected body in Britain to vote to leave the European Union.

A town hall meeting tonight is expected to see Havering Borough Council's six Ukip councillors form an alliance with Eurosceptic Conservatives and independent councillors to support Britain's exit from the EU.

Lawrence Webb, Ukip's leader on the council, said that he is quietly confident his anti-EU grouping will prevail when his motion is voted on.

His motion reads: “Due to the negative impact that EU directives such as the agency working time directive and EU procurement rules have on the ability and cost of Havering Council to fulfil its obligations, this council agrees that Britain would be better off outside the European Union."

The councillor, who stood as Ukip’s candidate for Mayor of London in 2012, was elected as the party’s first councillor in London in 2013.





He said: “Many of the 22 Conservatives on Havering Council are firmly in favour of the UK leaving the EU and have indicated their support for this motion as have a number of the independent local residents’ representatives on the council, so we have sufficient numbers to carry this.

"We will lay down the gauntlet for councils up and down the country to follow suit."

Peter Whittle, Ukip's London mayoral candidate, said: "Havering's vote next week will finally nail the lie that London is pro Britain's membership of the EU. Increasingly people in London understand that Leave is the sensible option for this great city."

The council is planning a live stream of the debate from 7.30pm tonight.

It comes as it was predicted that a British exit from the EU could cut net migration to Britain by 100,000 a year.

In the first analysis of a potential ‘Brexit’ on immigration levels, the pressure group MigrationWatch UK said a ‘No’ referendum vote could cut numbers coming to the UK “substantially”.

Exiting the EU would allow the British Government to impose visa requirements on migrants from the rest of Europe and allow in only skilled workers, it suggested.

Such a move would sound the end of the “Polish builder” phenomenon which has been a feature of the British economy since Poland and other eastern European countries joined the EU in 2004, bringing a wave of low-skilled and unskilled labour into the job market.




First council in England set to vote to leave the EU - Telegraph
Last edited by Blackleaf; Jan 27th, 2016 at 08:09 AM..
 
Walter
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#8  Top Rated Post
Johnson to EU: 'We're Packing our Bags and Walking Out' in 25 Days
https://pjmedia.com/trending/british...ut-in-25-days/

Let’s hope so.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Johnson to EU: 'We're Packing our Bags and Walking Out' in 25 Days
https://pjmedia.com/trending/british...ut-in-25-days/
Let’s hope so.

Amazing that got a -1. Someone doesn't like democracy and a PM carrying out the will of the people.

Disturbing stuff.
 
Blackleaf
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Brexit Britain should be a more democratic Britain.

Brexit should not be the end of the British people's democratic revolt.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/1...m-westminster/
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Brexit Britain should be a more democratic Britain.
Brexit should not be the end of the British people's democratic revolt.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/1...m-westminster/

Truck or Treat!

You're going to find out in a few weeks.
 
Blackleaf
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Truck or Treat!
You're going to find out in a few weeks.

It'll take more than a few weeks to make Britain more democratic.

Of course, if Brexit doesn't happen on Halloween then it means that Britain has got LESS democratic and is no longer a democracy and will lose its status as the world's oldest democracy (although I rather suspect you and Tecumseh's Boner and one or two others will struggle to work out how that would be the case considering you don't really understand all that democracy malarkey). We should have been out six months ago.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Tusk is standing by the door holding BoreJo's coat and hat.
 
Blackleaf
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Tusk is standing by the door holding BoreJo's coat and hat.

The guy's a thug and a gangster. No unelected Polish thug should have any power over Britain.

As for Boris, he's trying to carry out the democratically expressed will of the people. I see you have a really hard time with democracy. You're not really a big fan of it, are you?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Tusk is standing by the door holding BoreJo's coat and hat.

... like Commandant Klink ... "Diss-missed!
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

... like Commandant Klink ... "Diss-missed!

Would you like to have unelected Mr Tusk running Canada or are you a political nimby?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Would you like to have unelected Mr Tusk running Canada or are you a political nimby?

We have an unelected Trump doing that.