New study – govt workers make 6.7% more than private sector workers


Locutus
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The Fraser Institute is out with a new study that says government employees in BC were paid 6.7% more than their private-sector counterparts in 2013.

If the private-sector workers are in a union, the government employees made 3.6% more.

The study used Labour Force data from Statistics Canada and covered federal, provincial and municipal workers.

The study also found that when it comes to non-wage benefits such as pension, early retirement, job security, and absence rates, government employees did much better than those in the private sector.

Click here to view the full study

New study - govt workers make 6.7% more than private sector workers | (CHMJ AM) AM730 Vancouver's Traffic station

Government employees in B.C. paid 6.7 per cent more than comparable private-sector workers | Fraser Institute
 
Zipperfish
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"The Fraser Institute..."

*close tab*
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

"The Fraser Institute..."

*close tab*

What's wrong with the Fraser Institute? Is it in a Muslim no-go area? Like Birmingham, England?
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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The Fraser Institute in notorious for their heavily skewed leftist perspective
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

The Fraser Institute in notorious for their heavily skewed leftist perspective

Probably part of President Osama's Kenyan Muslim socialist plan to destroy America.

Actually "Start with Canada" is a devilishly nefarious strategy.
 
mentalfloss
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That's it?
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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It all makes sense now... Start with 'socialized' medicine and then move onto more egregious alternatives.

He's an evil mastermind
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

It all makes sense now... Start with 'socialized' medicine and then move onto more egregious alternatives.

He's an evil mastermind

Gotta keep both eyes on them nig. . . uh, Kenyan Muslim socialists at all times. They'll destroy America in a flash if you give 'em any rope at all.
 
Tonington
+1
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The shocking number to me is that almost half of private sector employees have defined benefit pensions. The rest isn't really news, but I would never have guessed defined benefits to be that high among private sector employees. Good for them!
 
Zipperfish
No Party Affiliation
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From teh BC government website for recently graduated engineers and geoscientists:

You will be a regular, full-time employee and member of Professional Employees Association and will start with a salary of $46,719.15, plus 7% compensation for overtime available as pay or time off in lieu.

Average salary for a graduating mining engineer in Vancouver: 70K. Yup.
 
Sons of Liberty
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Errr, this is an issue over 6.7%?
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington View Post

The shocking number to me is that almost half of private sector employees have defined benefit pensions. The rest isn't really news, but I would never have guessed defined benefits to be that high among private sector employees. Good for them!

Even with all those hard earned tax dollars taken from those poor, poor souls in the private sector that is thrown into a gubmint money pit so large it would make Scrooge McDuck envious.
 
DaSleeper
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And the putz keeps saying he would make more money in the private sector.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

And the putz keeps saying he would make more money in the private sector.

If making money was about skills and knowledge the Putz wouldn't be making any money. Poor, poor Putz!

Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

From teh BC government website for recently graduated engineers and geoscientists:

You will be a regular, full-time employee and member of Professional Employees Association and will start with a salary of $46,719.15, plus 7% compensation for overtime available as pay or time off in lieu.

Average salary for a graduating mining engineer in Vancouver: 70K. Yup.

Is that a lot for 7 years of university?
 
Zipperfish
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

If

Is that a lot for 7 years of university?

It's four years. My buddy is headhunter. He specilaizes in headhunting engineers, geoscientists and other tech guys from the civil service. The province is easy pickings.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus View Post

The Fraser Institute is out with a new study that says government employees in BC were paid 6.7% more than their private-sector counterparts in 2013.

If the private-sector workers are in a union, the government employees made 3.6% more.

The study used Labour Force data from Statistics Canada and covered federal, provincial and municipal workers.

The study also found that when it comes to non-wage benefits such as pension, early retirement, job security, and absence rates, government employees did much better than those in the private sector.

Click here to view the full study

New study - govt workers make 6.7% more than private sector workers | (CHMJ AM) AM730 Vancouver's Traffic station

Government employees in B.C. paid 6.7 per cent more than comparable private-sector workers | Fraser Institute

I don't think the amount Public sector workers are paid, is the problem, so much as what percentage of them are useful. Identiful the bureaucraps and weed out half of them, then we'd be getting somewhere!
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

The Fraser Institute in notorious for their heavily skewed leftist perspective


.........good'un Capt.

Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

And the putz keeps saying he would make more money in the private sector.

Like we're paying less for beer when they privatize the beer store
 
tay
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The release today of the Fraser Institute’s latest attack on wages and benefits for working people shows how out of touch with economic reality the right-wing organization is, says CUPE BC.


“The Fraser Institute’s own research shows that the so-called ‘premium’ for public sector workers is nowhere near the magnitude they’ve been claiming for the past two years,” said CUPE BC Secretary-Treasurer Paul Faoro. “In 2013, they claimed there was a 37.5 per cent premium, and today they’ve admitted that number is actually 90 per cent lower—though you won’t find that in their news release.


“But facts have never stood in the Fraser Institute’s way,” said Faoro. “Not only do they not acknowledge how shoddy and flawed their previous study was, they still use their findings to bash wages and benefits for working people, and to advocate for even less retirement security for all workers.”


Having found the wage “premium” is a full 90 percent lower than previously claimed, this year’s report targets pensions in particular. The Fraser Institute fails to mention that public employees pay for their pensions either directly through payroll deductions or by deferring current wages.


“No serious economist would give this ‘study’ any credence at all,” said Faoro. “The reality is, we should be doing all we can to ensure that all working people earn a living wage and can retire in dignity. The Fraser Institute is opposed to that, and this report is yet another example of its ‘greed is good’ vision.”


The Fraser Institute study says that public sector workers earn a “premium” compared to their private sector counterparts, but provides no examples, and their study does not look at wages for visible minorities and people of aboriginal status. Other studies have shown a significant improvement in pay for workers of colour and aboriginal workers in the public sector.


Funded in part by the right-wing American Koch Brothers, who also helped found and fund the U.S. Tea Party, the Fraser Institute has long advocated for lower wages and reduced benefits for working people.


“The Fraser Institute’s vision for BC’s economy is bizarre,” said Faoro. “They want all workers to earn less, work more, and retire in poverty. That’s not even good for the super-wealthy backers the Fraser Institute represents, but their ideology blinds them to reality.”




Fraser Institute gets it wrong—again | Canadian Union of Public Employees
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Thank goodness that Paul Faoro, CUPE BC Secretary-Treasurer, is an expert economist... What he says must be true

Quote: Originally Posted by Nuggler View Post

.........good'un Capt.

Thanks Nuggs... I aims ta please


Quote: Originally Posted by Nuggler View Post

Like we're paying less for beer when they privatize the beer store

We're seeing a big difference between the cost of booze in AB (privatized) and in the BC run stores... PST accounts for a portion, but the base price of booze on the shelf a way higher in BC.

Anywho, just an observation
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Thank goodness that Paul Faoro, CUPE BC Secretary-Treasurer, is an expert economist... What he says must be true



Thanks Nuggs... I aims ta please




We're seeing a big difference between the cost of booze in AB (privatized) and in the BC run stores... PST accounts for a portion, but the base price of booze on the shelf a way higher in BC.

Anywho, just an observation


No problem Capt. I aims ta give chuckles.

Maybe check out the difference between AB booze and Ont. Methinks Ont. a tad cheaper. Still the same shyte, but a tad cheaper.

I told me wife I was gonna start brewing me own, and then, sort of ration it out at a six pack a week. Sure, she says; say dear did you notice the high cost of divorce these days.

So, it's back to the beer store..................
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Dontcha ya hate it when they drop the A-bomb on a good idea?

Oh, the humanity

PS - a 6-pack per week is just a tease
 
Kreskin
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Not a surprise to me. Private sector pension and savings plans don't exist beyond larger corporations. I wouldn't blame the public sector for that nor blame the public sector for having more programs. I don't see any reason to discourage public sector pensions. It's not like the private sector will take it up if government doesn't. The study just confirms what is. Nothing to be learned by it.
 
Zipperfish
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

The release today of the Fraser Institute’s latest attack on wages and benefits for working people shows how out of touch with economic reality the right-wing organization is, says CUPE BC.



Fraser Institute gets it wrong—again | Canadian Union of Public Employees

CUPE--opposite side of the same coin. Full of it.

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does not look at wages for visible minorities and people of aboriginal status

"People of aboriginal status." Is that what we're calling them these days? Geez, we're up to ten syallables now.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

Not a surprise to me. Private sector pension and savings plans don't exist beyond larger corporations. I wouldn't blame the public sector for that nor blame the public sector for having more programs. I don't see any reason to discourage public sector pensions. It's not like the private sector will take it up if government doesn't. The study just confirms what is. Nothing to be learned by it.

I can see why anyone (public or private) would not want to maximize their position in terms of bennies and/or pension arrangements. That said, from the public standpoint, there appears to be a real disconnect between expectations of Defined Benefit plans and the more realistic Defined Contribution arrangement.
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

The Fraser Institute in notorious for their heavily skewed leftist perspective

Fraser Institute is a conservative institute.
 
Zipperfish
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Fraser Institute is a conservative institute.

Bunch o' commmies compared to the Cap'n.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Fraser Institute is a conservative institute.

Not by my perspective.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

I can see why anyone (public or private) would not want to maximize their position in terms of bennies and/or pension arrangements. That said, from the public standpoint, there appears to be a real disconnect between expectations of Defined Benefit plans and the more realistic Defined Contribution arrangement.

Im in a defined benefit private sector plan. The company has often encouraged the switch over which I haven't done. Now they only offer DC to new employees. The government must have a ton of long term employees who got into pensions when DC was virtually non-existant. I don't know what they offer now.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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You are extremely fortunate to have a DB plan via a private sector employer, those are extremely rare these days.

On the public side, you can see the writing on the wall in terms of what new hires are being offered.. The unfunded pension liability associated with the DB (public) plans are enormous and as med science is more effective at keeping us alive longer, those plans cost teh taxpayer a ton in the long term
 
Zipperfish
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

You are extremely fortunate to have a DB plan via a private sector employer, those are extremely rare these days.

On the public side, you can see the writing on the wall in terms of what new hires are being offered.. The unfunded pension liability associated with the DB (public) plans are enormous and as med science is more effective at keeping us alive longer, those plans cost teh taxpayer a ton in the long term

This is why I keep saying that the public service should hand out a carton of smokes to all their staff at Christmas time.