Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Lack of product, lack of dealers, and a lower requirement for technicians.
If you are behind in producing full vehicles, you don't have the capacity to produce spare parts after the production run.
That is a capital costs you'd have to sit on.
And the worst of it is that Tesla will DIE if it does not get huge new govt loans and subsidies! Tesla is a creation of govt pork barrel politics- a flashy, trendy, useless gewgaw for politicians seeking a photo op and the chance to PRETEND they are doing something/anything about jobs and the environment! Consider:
Reports Say Tesla's Model 3 Could Cost You as Little as $25,000 (35,000 minus Tax Credits)
(AS we now know the Tesla model 3 will cost TWICE AS MUCH as a Nissan Qashqai and the Tesla will come with a shorter range, greater refueling difficulties,lesser cargo capacity and very limited towing ability compared the the Qashqai! Tesla Model 3`s will ONLY BE SOLD in places where govt literally BUYS the product for its friends! ordinary people will shun the clunker!
Tesla lost $889 million last year -- a record -- partially due to new model development costs and partially due to construction costs associated with its Nevada-based battery Gigafactory.
It's also not clear how expensive the Model 3 will be when it arrives. Musk confirmed on Twitter that production won't start with a pricier Signature Series a la Model S and X, and officials have repeatedly insisted that the car will start at as little as $35,000. Federal and state tax credits promise to slash as much as $13,500 from that bottom line, which would make the Model 3 the company's first truly affordable automobile.
Online reservations for the Model 3 will fire up on April 1.
Carbon pricingís dirty secret-Climate Change Minister Glen Murray confirms itís going to cost us a lot of money-By Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun
First posted: Saturday, April 30, 2016 02:16 PM EDT-QMI_TS20160428SB02
Ontario Minister of the Environment & Climate Change Glen Murray speaks to the Economic Club in Toronto, Ont. on Thursday April 28, 2016. Stan Behal/Toronto Sun/Postmedia Network
Itís hard to tell whether it was deliberate or a gaffe ó meaning what happens when a politician accidentally tells the truth ó but Ontario Climate Change Minister Glen Murray told the truth last week.
In an interview with the Sunís Shawn Jeffords, he said cap-and-trade and other government decarbonization initiatives will be very expensive, which politicians almost never do.
As Murray put it in responding to a Globe and Mail story about Ontarioís plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions: ďIt costs a lot of money. Itís going to cost the private sector, and itís an investment, and itís going to cost the public sector money.Ē
(I feel obligated to make some comments that Goldstein and Sun colleagues have missed and my comments appear in brackets. So I have to ask just HOW reducing greenhouse gas will cost the public sector anything seeing as the LIE-beral carbon plan is being set up to give LIE-berals a HUGE new slush fund to play with and BUY VOTES from civil service Hogs! Yes the Hogs can expect nice little raises so they can KEEP ON producing their carbon footprint while we starve-because the LIE-beral fix is IN! LIE-berals want to assure us they feel our pain-and this is WHY we call them LIE-berals!)
The only thing I would have added is an acknowledgment that having the private and public sector pay a lot more means all of us are going to pay a lot more.
(I say if its true the public sector will also be fiscally hit then look for inflation to come back in a BIG way as Hogs DEMAND LARGE wage settlements in order to keep up their life-style/maintain their ENTITLEMENTS!)
Too often, politicians talk about carbon pricing in terms of ďmaking the polluter payĒ, implying the costs will be magically absorbed by carbon intensive industries.
Thatís nonsense. In fact, we are the polluters, since we buy the goods and services that fossil fuel energy creates and we are the ones who will end up paying more.
Murray also acknowledged meeting goals such as having 1.7 million electric and hybrid vehicles on the roads by 2024, will require ďa generous subsidy for the first generation of that changeĒ.
(Considering that the Tesla Car co. lost nearly a BILLION DOLLARS last year, Murray is NOT kidding about the costs and subsidies! In addition there are serious cost issues surrounding the building of the Tesla battery factory-Gigafactory!)
Less impressive in terms of candour was Murrayís observation that, ďthere are incredible savings and returns on that (carbon pricing) investment for everyone.Ē
Not quite. This is similar to the happy talk former federal Liberal leader Stephane Dion used when he introduced his Green Shift plan prior to losing the 2008 election.
At the time, he said: ďCanada will cut megatonnes of emissions, but we will also make megatonnes of money.Ē
The reality is that decarbonizing a country like Canada ó big, cold, sparsely populated, resource-based ó is going to be very hard and very costly.
Worse, Premier Kathleen Wynne plans to do it in the worst way possible ó through a cap-and-trade system that has been a disaster in Europe and that will take almost $2 billion annually out of the Ontario economy to start, beginning next year.
(At least-two billion is the number they have given us-and have the LIE-berals ever fudged numbers before?)
That, plus the government picking winners and losers in terms of who it will subsidize and who it wonít.
(As I said-the LIE-beral fix is IN-LIE-berals will be offering electric car charging stations at chosen spots-such as the LCBO-and how long before there are `FREE` charging stations outside all govt buildings and lines of civil service Hog cars charging for free as one of their ENTITLEMENTS? And civil service Hogs often drive govt vehicles supplied as an entitlement-so we know who will be paying to install charging stations for those govt Hogs at the homes of people on the sunshine list!))
(It was Dalton McGinty who first mused that govt would have to start picking economic winners and losers in Ontari-owe in order to ďbetter manage the Ontari-owe economyĒ. And of course it will be LIE-beral friends who are the winners-one only has to look at the biomass electrical generation mess in Thunder Bay that our LIE-beral friendly media whores are ignoring to see who will be winning and who losing! LIE-berals saved 60 union hog jobs by converting a generating plant to burn `bio-mass` material imported from Europe and the electricity from the plant now costs TWENTY-FIVE TIMES MORE than other forms of generation-but price is no object when there are LIE-beral votes and jobs to save! Deficits be damned!)
Thatís as far away from an effective carbon pricing scheme as you can get ó a 100%, revenue neutral carbon tax, verified by the provincial auditor general every year, in which the government returns all the money it raises through carbon pricing to the public in the form of an annual cash dividend, or income tax cuts and cash grants to the poor who donít pay taxes.
That would be a plan actually designed to encourage people to adopt a less carbon intensive lifestyle, as opposed to a mere cash grab for the government, which is what Ontarioís plan is.
But at least Murray was honest about the costs.
( I say: beware of convoluted plans since most of them and especially the LIE-beral ones are designed to make 2 +2 add up to FIVE! They are TRICKY! In the 9 months after the 9/11 World Trade attack, during which time 25 percent of the worlds airline fleet was grounded, there was a MEASURABLE IMPROVEMENT in air quality around the globe.)
(Airplanes produce 75-85 percent of ALL pollution related to `transportation`-that means planes, trains, cars, ships, buses, trucks and anything else with a motor-and airplanes are WAY dirtier than ALL the other machines combined out there. And the people with the most money-that would be civil servants in Canada- are much more likely to ride in planes than ordinary people-especially since about one third of Cdns donít feel they can even afford a holiday So, all we need to do to clear our air is balance our govt books.)
(Our teachers in Ontari-owe are getting ready to go back on strike after having decided they are ENTITLED to more gravy than they were offered last fall. And we DONíT have the money and cannot produce the gravy! WE owe-thanks to INSANE LIE-beral promises- about FIFTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS in deferred pension promises to Ontari-owe high school teachers alone-and there are EIGHTEEN other civil service unions at the provincial level-ALL demanding some hundreds of BILLIONS in LIE-beral pension promises-any real effort to pay off the entitlements promised by LIE-berals will destroy the country-hence the LIE-beral plan to make 2 +2 add up to a Hog vote buying number FIVE!)
(LIE-berals are CAUGHT-we simply donít have the money to pay for LIE-beral promises but LIE-berals are going to grab as much gravy as they can and offer it to the Hogs in hope of BUYING another election in 2018. LIE-berals hope that offering Hogs a partial loaf will be acceptable as some is better than nothing-but of course LIE-berals and their Hog allies donít care that we ordinary peons will end up with NOTHING! Which is why its so odd that Environment Minister Murray would be so candid about carbon crap costs!)
(LIE-berals can talk carbon crap all they want but the truth is their zeal for carbon cutting is really all about vote buying and producing a giant LIE-beral slush fund to reward their pals!)