What's the end game for Crimea?


Twin_Moose
Conservative
#121
The world doesn't recognize the referendum and neither does the incoming President of Ukraine who was thought that he would be a Putin puppet I guess not so much after this response
 
MHz
#122
The people of Crimea and the people of Russia recognize it and will fight to the death should some army try and decide otherwise, pretty much kills the discussion IMO.

It does also show that capitalism will rape it's own people rather than see anybody opt out of their way of running things. If there would be a stampede for the gates how can you keep claiming it is a flawless system and anything else is worse when nations will endure decades of sanction rather than go back to the way it was when IMF money was in control of the place

These are the people that will fight to the death, the 'men' from Wall St will be looking to hire somebody, Right Walnut?


That same little world of yours also now claims the Golan Heights is Israeli ground. Go plant a few flags for them and report back if you can.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#123
Tatars want to be apart of Ukraine they had an agreement of recognition, Russia pushed any pro Ukrainian people off the Crimea before the vote.
 
MHz
#124
Are you trying to make it out to be like Bush in Florida?? 94% or more. If Russia had treated them like the US treats Cuba (and everybody else as well) the vote would have shown that. First you will lie to get what you can't get by being honest and then just kill everybody in the end anyway.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#125
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Are you trying to make it out to be like Bush in Florida?? 94% or more. If Russia had treated them like the US treats Cuba (and everybody else as well) the vote would have shown that. First you will lie to get what you can't get by being honest and then just kill everybody in the end anyway.

2 Links not as reliable as Sputnik or Russia today but they will have to do /s

LINK

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The Crimean referendum on Sunday will offer the electorate two options that are really the same thing. A voter can choose to support reunifying Crimea with Russia, as a constituent part of the Russian Federation. Or, a voter can support the "restoration" of the 1992 Crimean constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine. That Crimean constitution was a short-lived declaration of independence by the Black Sea peninsula's parliament in May, 1992; under it, Crimea was independent within Ukraine, and able to end those ties. It appears that voters have to choose between two different paths of exiting Ukraine. The status quo? Not on the ballot.

LINK

Quote:

Well, we already knew that the referendum was going to be gamed, as Russia is keeping international observers out of Crimea, it has moved the date of the referendum from much later in the spring first to March 30, and now to March 16, and there is the detail of the occupation of Crimea by Russian troops. This is somewhat puzzling because it raises the question of why have a vote at all if the effort is devoid of any possible taint of legitimacy?
Certainly Vladimir Putin and his friends in Crimea are not concerned with impressing the international community with how free and fair this referendum will be. Otherwise, they might not be printing about 66 per cent more ballots than needed (2.5 million ballots for 1.5 million Crimean voters). Mr. Putin may resort to the usual international organization for monitoring a sham election in the former Soviet space – the Commonwealth of Independent States–which has monitored past elections Abhkazia, South Ossetia and Trans-Dniester.

 
MHz
#126
What year did that happen and how far away is the rescue NATO is going to pull?? In none comes what us the incentive for any nation with some natural resources to stay locked into a system that sees the people watching that stuff leave the country and as little as possible is left behind?

France has been in Nigeria for 70 years and the people are in sever poverty conditions. Our former Minister of Heath spent some time just next door in Niger and I doubt she said one word about oppression by France as Doctors Without Borders is a French sponsored NGO. Time to inspect and make notes but no meds as the meds are just too expensive for Africans to afford. I'm not sure why she didn't call them when a mysterious rash broke out in the Indian villages up north all about the same time each and every year dating back decades. Your kind certainly fuks up everything the touch in they worst possible way don't they?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#127
2014 don't you remember?
 
bill barilko
#128
The thing is Crimea was always a place settled by people from all over-and I mean All Over the Planet-after WW2 it ended up as part of Ukraine and life went on but I understand the ambivalent attitude present day residents themselves have.

The Ukrainian gubmint is an idiotic clown show run by ham handed ripoff artists funded by the West so who's to say life as a Russian province is any worse?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#129
Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilko View Post

The thing is Crimea was always a place settled by people from all over-and I mean All Over the Planet-after WW2 it ended up as part of Ukraine and life went on but I understand the ambivalent attitude present day residents themselves have.
The Ukrainian gubmint is an idiotic clown show run by ham handed ripoff artists funded by the West so who's to say life as a Russian province is any worse?

40 Million Ukrainians that have fought for freedom since the time of the Rus
 
bill barilko
#130
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

40 Million Ukrainians that have fought for freedom since the time of the Rus

There aren't 40 million+ Ukrainians in Crimea.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#131
Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilko View Post

There aren't 40 million+ Ukrainians in Crimea.

The Russians aren't just occupying Crimea.
 
bill barilko
#132
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The Russians aren't just occupying Crimea.

I made it clear that I was talking specifically about Crimea if the usual suspects here are incapable of understanding that's their issue.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#133
Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilko View Post

There aren't 40 million+ Ukrainians in Crimea.

Nope use to be 1.5 Million Ukrainians in Crimea
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#134
Ukraine's prime minister resigns in protest

President dissolves parliament forcing new Gov. election I'm not sure if this is a good move or not, either flushing out the bad apples or trying to insert puppets.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#135
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Nope use to be 1.5 Million Ukrainians in Crimea

That's about the same number that are here.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#136
Yep 2nd highest population of Ukrainian people in the world followed by the US in third
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#137
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Yep 2nd highest population of Ukrainian people in the world followed by the US in third

Hope the Russians don't invade.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#138
For sure Lol
 

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