What should Canada give up in new NAFTA


Twin_Moose
Conservative
#121
Canada prepared to play deadline spoiler in NAFTA talks: source

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In the face of mounting pressure to wrap up NAFTA negotiations by the end of the month, a senior source suggests Canada is comfortable with missing that deadline.
The source who spoke to CBC News on background, due to the sensitivity of the talks, said the external political pressure "is not a good enough reason," for Canada to be forced into a fast finish.
Mexican negotiators are pushing for an agreement to be formally signed by the leaders of all three countries before Dec.1, the day Mexico's new president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, takes office.
If outgoing president Enrique Pena Nieto signs the agreement, it will, among other things, give AMLO some domestic political cover for unpopular aspects of the pact.
In order for that Dec. 1 deadline to be met, a series of legal hurdles in the U.S. must be cleared first.
The next step in that process is getting American lawmakers the text of a proposed agreement before Oct. 1, to begin a formal review.
The source said Canada is willing to try to accommodate the timeline, but is prepared to keep talking past the end of this month.
U.S. President Donald Trump has repeatedly threatened to morph NAFTA into a bilateral agreement between the U.S. and Mexico, if Canada is unwilling to sign on to a deal on his terms.
Last month, Trump announced the U.S. and Mexico had reached an agreement in principle.

A bilateral deal?

Trump plans to rename the agreement USM, which stands for United States and Mexico, The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday. Trump reportedly said he would add a 'C' for Canada depending on what happens at the negotiating table.
On Thursday, Mexico's chief NAFTA negotiator, Kenneth Smith Ramos, added his voice to the pressure campaign.
"Mexico stated from the beginning of the negotiation that the ideal scenario is for NAFTA to remain trilateral," Smith Ramos wrote on twitter.
"We hope the U.S. and Canada will conclude their bilateral negotiation shortly. If that is not possible we are ready to advance bilaterally with the U.S ... the agreement in principle that we closed with the U.S. is positive for Mexico because it preserves free trade and modernizes our trade agreement ..."
Despite the threats of leaving Canada behind, there are significant questions about whether NAFTA can even be changed into a bilateral agreement.
U.S. members of congress granted the Trump administration the authority to re-negotiate a trilateral agreement, and it is unclear whether the White House has the power to turn NAFTA into a two-way pact.
Members of congress from both parties have also said they would not support a new NAFTA without Canada's inclusion.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is expected to return to Washington sometime next week for more high level negotiations with her U.S. counterparts.
A second source tells CBC News there is still a lot of technical work that negotiators need to grind through, adding talks are "slow."

I think there is little doubt that the Libs. are trying to make political hay with this, standing up to the evil Trump narrative, with Freeland openly taking shots at Trump in different Canadian rallies
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#122
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Canada prepared to play deadline spoiler in NAFTA talks: source
I think there is little doubt that the Libs. are trying to make political hay with this, standing up to the evil Trump narrative, with Freeland openly taking shots at Trump in different Canadian rallies

Sounds like a good idea. Why cave in to a blowhard bully who has no juristiction over trade in the first place? They'd be incompetent if they did.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#123
Liberals to face 'louder' criticism at home over NAFTA, Conservatives vow

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is about to become the target of sharp criticism at home over his government's handling of NAFTA negotiations.
The Conservatives say they are "frustrated" with the way the Liberals have managed the talks to date and will be more vocal in highlighting their concerns going forward.
"You're going to hear the Conservatives be louder," said Erin O'Toole, the Conservative foreign affairs critic.
"It is a crisis. Canada's backed into a corner. So we are worried the Trudeau plan has not worked."
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is expected to return to Washington this week for another round of high level talks with her American counterparts.
The U.S. and Mexico already have reached an agreement in principle and are threatening to move on without Canada if Ottawa isn't ready to sign by October 1.
CBC News has reported previously that Canada is prepared to play the role of deadline spoiler, as Canadian negotiators work toward a deal they are comfortable signing.
While no Canadian officials have said talks are in crisis mode, sources say progress is "slow."
O'Toole has been careful to make the point that he still hopes Canada can get a good deal, and that when speaking about NAFTA in the United States or abroad, the Conservatives will still be a part of the 'team Canada' approach.
"We don't go to Washington to have our political discussions for Canada," O'Toole said.
He added the Conservatives are willing to help when called upon, even though they disagree with the approach the government has taken so far.
O'Toole said Ottawa should not have tried to add new "progressive" elements to NAFTA.
When Canada announced its negotiation goals last year, it included a push for provisions on gender, Indigenous rights, and the environment.
"The so-called Trudeau agenda was inserted, and went over very poorly in the United States," said O'Toole. "So we squandered the early six months of negotiations and I think we're paying for it now."
NAFTA talks, for the most part, have not been subject to partisan political attacks in Canada.
"I think it's been very difficult under the Donald Trump administration to negotiate. We recognize that," said NDP trade critic Tracey Ramsey.
She said the NDP will be questioning the Liberals about NAFTA in the fall session of Parliament and that it will "factor hugely" into the 2019 federal election campaign.
There are points where we are going to push on the government to do better," Ramsey said during an interview with CBC News.
"We are vehemently opposed to opening up supply management any further than it has been already ... it seems to be a favourite kind of concession of the Liberal government and the Conservatives before us. We want that to end."
Sources have told CBC News that Canada is willing to make concessions on dairy supply management which would allow American farmers to sell more products north of the border.
A senior source with direct knowledge of the situation said negotiators are still working out what new regulations would look like.
Concessions wouldn't necessarily be a domestic political death blow for the Liberals, said Shachi Kurl, executive director of the non-profit polling foundation Angus Reid Institute.
"If we get to an agreement, it's not as though Canadians are going to be reading it line by line clause by clause and making decisions based on the substance of the deal, as much as they will be listening to the narrative," Kurl said during an interview with CBC News in Montreal.
"For Justin Trudeau, that narrative has to be, 'I stood up to Donald Trump, I stood up to the Americans and I got the best deal that I could.'
"For Andrew Scheer, that narrative is Justin Trudeau failed. He went to the fair, he sold the cow for a handful of beans and it was a really really bad deal."

 
spilledthebeer
#124
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Liberals to face 'louder' criticism at home over NAFTA, Conservatives vow


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THE BIG QUESTION IS THIS:


WHAT SHOULD CANADA GIVE UP FOR nafta??????????


WE should immediately DUMP our LIE-beral overlords who are making such a deliberate and costly mess of national security issues!!!!!


Dump LIE-berals for unilaterally DISARMING Canada even as the world grows more dangerous- not just for Canada- think North Korean missiles in our air space- but for our allies and friends as well!!!!!!!!!!!


Dump LIE-berals for EMASCULATING ALL Cdn spy agencies!!!!!!!!!!


It was Pierre Trudeau who dismantled the old RCMP Security Service whose job it had been to catch foreign spies operating in Canada and RCMP KNEW many govts have regarded Cdn citizenship as a handy back door entry to United States and kept a proper watch !!!!!!!!


Pierre Trudeau dismantled RCMP Security Service because it was too cooperative with Yankees- so he created CSIS as a LEFT WING ALTERNATIVE- to be controlled and guided by LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!


And of course Our idiot Boy Justin Trudeau has decided that even CSIS is too right wing for his Soviet tastes and so LIE-berals have tied the hands of CSIS- now they are limited in how much information they can hold on Cdn citizens- even highly suspect and newly arrived citizens from rabidly radical Islamic countries have LIE-beral protection!!!!!!!!!!!


In addition- LIE-berals have limited CSIS to a WATCHING ROLE ONLY- CSIS agents now CANNOT take overt action against enemy agents and Muslim terrorists UNLESS a cabal of LIE-berals approves that action IN ADVANCE!!!!!!!!!!!


WE should also Dump LIE-berals for their shameless catch and release legal system that excuses all manner of criminal activity!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-beral plea bargaining turns major crimes into minor crimes and makes minor crimes disappear!!!!!!!!!!!


How are criminals to be deterred from committing more crimes if LIE-berals continue letting them off the hook?



How can Yankees trust LIE-beral Canada in any way if LIE-berals are willing to open up all of Canada to illegals of unknown origin?


LIE-berals do not care how many crimes illegals commit against Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals do not care if Russian and Iranian and Chinese agents masquerading as Cdns STEAL all manner of Yankee secrets!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE should also be hugely worried about the incredible deficits and debts LIE-berals are running up!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Yankees worry we will become a northern version of Venezuela and Argentina- and Yankee worries over this stuff ARE VALID!!!!!!!!!!!!!



So......ultimately what should we give up in exchange for a good NAFTA deal??????????


And of course Yankees are annoyed at the overt anti Yankee hate displayed by our LIE-beral overlords!!!!!!!!!!


Having our chief negotiator Chrystia Freeland attending a political event where Trump is compared to various third world dictators IS NOT HELPING!!!!!!!!!!!


Nor is it helping that LIE-berals are pushing a gender feminazi and native bigot agenda that is an INSULT both to Yankees and to many Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!



WE SHOULD DO THE EASY THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE should give up LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then get back to WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+1
#125
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Canada prepared to play deadline spoiler in NAFTA talks: source

I think there is little doubt that the Libs. are trying to make political hay with this, standing up to the evil Trump narrative, with Freeland openly taking shots at Trump in different Canadian rallies

I saw, let the talks drag on such that Trump interprets it as a tactic to impact the US midterms... maybe Donnie will get so furious that he tries in earnest to get tater tot ousted from office
 
Tecumsehsbones
#126
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

I saw, let the talks drag on such that Trump interprets it as a tactic to impact the US midterms... maybe Donnie will get so furious that he tries in earnest to get tater tot ousted from office

Tell you what. Give us BC and AB, and we'll oust Trudeaubama for you.

You can keep SK and MB. We pay enough farm welfare as it is.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+1
#127
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Tell you what. Give us BC and AB, and we'll oust Trudeaubama for you.

You can keep SK and MB. We pay enough farm welfare as it is.




Hmmm, you drive a hard bargain.


How about this; We give you Trudeau, take back Celine Dion and also promise to refrain from pronouncing about as "a-boot"


Deal?
 
Tecumsehsbones
#128
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Hmmm, you drive a hard bargain.
How about this; We give you Trudeau, take back Celine Dion and also promise to refrain from pronouncing about as "a-boot"
Deal?

You are clearly dodging the Justin Bieber issue.

Take him and Nickelback, and send us Gord Downie's remains for re-interment here, and we're done and dusted!
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+2
#129
DEAL!!!


Hell, I'll even sweeten the pot and we'll send you Flossy as a bonus!
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+1
#130
PS - We'll need visitation rights for Gord
 
Tecumsehsbones
#131
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

PS - We'll need visitation rights for Gord

Acceptable. Call it done.

Sorry we couldn't get you reasonable milk prices.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#132
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Tell you what. Give us BC and AB, and we'll oust Trudeaubama for you.

You can keep SK and MB. We pay enough farm welfare as it is.

B.C. and Alberta are no good to you if Yukon is not included . Honour my pensions and I will vote for that split .
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#133
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

DEAL!!!


Hell, I'll even sweeten the pot and we'll send you Flossy as a bonus!

If that isn’t good enough you can toss in a couple of others .
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#134
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Tell you what. Give us BC and AB, and we'll oust Trudeaubama for you.

You can keep SK and MB. We pay enough farm welfare as it is.




BC? Do you really want another state more left wing than California?
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#135
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

BC? Do you really want another state more left wing than California?


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Poor LIE-berals.......they dream of castles in the air but have NO CLUE how to build the foundations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Has anybody considered what the effect will be if all those Yankees get a good look at public/govt health care???????????



All Yankees in the lower half of the economic spectrum would RIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cdns will not abandon their health care for Yankee style pay plans and Washington has demonstrated disdain for Cdn style health care-


there is just NO common ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#136
U.S. congressman issues dire warning to Canada 's NAFTA team

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WASHINGTON - Republicans in the U.S. Congress are ratcheting up the pressure on Canada to get a deal done on the North American Free Trade Agreement.
In a statement released by the U.S. website Politico, House majority whip Steve Scalise delivers a stern warning about "growing frustration" in Congress with what he calls Canada's "negotiating tactics."
Scalise, who represents the state of Louisiana, says the Canadian government does not appear to be either ready or willing to "make the concessions" necessary to reach what the statement describes as a fair and high-standard agreement.
And he suggests that time is running out for Canada to join the agreement already reached in principle between the U.S. and Mexico.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, who is expected to resume talks with U.S. counterpart Robert Lighthizer on Wednesday, had not seen the statement when asked about it prior to question period.
But she says Canada has been negotiating in good faith throughout the 13-month process and remains committed to nothing short of a deal that's in the best interest of Canadians.

Writing is on the wall Are You In or Are You Out
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#137
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

U.S. congressman issues dire warning to Canada 's NAFTA team
Writing is on the wall Are You In or Are You Out

OUT!

Don't sign a bad deal.

Don't legitimize a bad President who broke up the greatest free trade zone on Earth merely to impress the Hillbillies in Pennsyltuckey with what a tough leader he is.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#138
The best choice now is to get out, JT and Freeland screwed it up in the beginning, by being resistant after they found out Trump was serious.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
-1
#139
Note that the Congressman making the threat is a Republican from Jerkwater, Louisiana and if Trump doesn't demonstrate his "leadership" by extracting a screw-you deal from Canada, his seat and a whole lot more of his buddy's GOP seats in the Congress are in peril.
 
Hoid
#140
its the senators and congressmen who get to explain to those 9 million voters why all their livelihoods are threatened.
I'm sure that's going to be big fun.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+2
#141
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

its the senators and congressmen who get to explain to those 9 million voters why all their livelihoods are threatened.
I'm sure that's going to be big fun.

Will trade stop ?
 
Hoid
#142
Yes free trade will stop
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#143
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Yes free trade will stop

Really ?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#144
Trump says Canada not in a ‘good trade position’ as NAFTA talks drag on

In a press conference Tuesday afternoon, U.S. President Donald Trump told reporters that Canada cannot keep charging the United States "300 per cent" on dairy products.
In the midst of tense NAFTA negotiations between the United States and Canada, negotiators have been tight-lipped about the progress of the talks, and especially on the progress on key issues like supply management and Chapter 19.

Following a meeting with the Polish President Andrzej Duda, Trump took several questions from reporters about NAFTA, as well as on sexual misconduct allegations against his Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh and American relations with Poland.
On NAFTA, Trump said that "Canada has taken advantage of our country for a long time."
'We love Canada, we love the people of Canada, but they are in a position that's not a good trade position for Canada," he added. Trump also reiterated that the U.S. and Mexico had reached a tentative trade deal, which seemingly kicked NAFTA talks into overdrive.
Canada's Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has been back and forth to Washington in recent weeks as pressure mounts on the Canadian government to bring home a deal.
However, she's often repeated the position of the Liberal government: "No deal is better than a bad deal."
While she spoke to reporters on Tuesday, Freeland insisted that the environment around negotiations is one of "good will and good faith," but that Canada is fully prepared to walk away from NAFTA if a deal satisfactory to all parties cannot be reached.
However, she ended on a commonly made point, saying that "one of Canada's national characteristics is a talent for compromise."
Canada's supply-chain management has been a sticking point in the plot of the NAFTA saga, which is an aggressive cost-control policy involving domestically-raised poultry and dairy products.
Trump has repeatedly criticized Canada's dairy policy, and repeated this complaint on Tuesday afternoon.
"They cannot continue to charge us 300 per cent tariff on dairy products, and that's what they're doing," he said.
The president doesn't seem to be the only American official frustrated with Canada's approach to NAFTA negotiations, however. In a statement released to the U.S. website Politico, house majority whip Steven Scalise said there is a "growing frustration" among Congress with Canada's "negotiating tactics."
He added that Canada didn't seem willing to "make any concessions" to achieve a deal.
NAFTA talks have been ongoing for 13 months now and little is known about how much longer they'll continue -- as loosely-set deadlines continue to slide by. Freeland will return to Washington later this week to resume negotiations.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#145
NAFTA talks: Like Mexico, Canada may need 'insurance' against tariffs

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Canada maintains that its efforts to evade American tariffs on steel and aluminum, and threatened tariffs on cars, are on a "separate track" from the ongoing NAFTA talks.
But that's not how U.S. President Donald Trump sees it. His attempts to use tariffs as leverage in NAFTA negotiations have become such a ingrained habit by this point, he's started using the word as a verb.
"If countries will not make fair deals with us, they will be 'Tariffed!'" he tweeted Monday.
China was in his sights at the start of the week — but by week's end he also could be talking about Canada and his threat to impose "national security" tariffs of 20 to 25 per cent on its auto industry if it doesn't soon join the new North American trade deal Americans sketched out with Mexico last month.
One of Trump's loyal Congressional soldiers, House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, warned Tuesday that Congress would "consider its options" if Canada doesn't sign on.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland insists Canada won't sign a bad deal.
"That's not rhetoric," she told reporters before she left again for Washington. Still, she said, Canadians have a "talent for compromise.
Her negotiators face a tough call. Even if they strike deals and close the remaining chapters — by Thursday, Freeland's Mexican counterpart suggested, if they're going to have a text for Congress by the end of the month — a bigger question lurks.
Would a renegotiated NAFTA lift damaging steel and aluminum tariffs and shut down threats of future car tariffs? If it didn't, why would Canada sign on?
Monica de Bolle, a senior fellow at Washington's Peterson Institute for International Economics, said people have been too focused on specific sticking points — dairy concessions, dispute resolution chapters, intellectual property demands and more.
"The big picture is the threat of tariffs," she said. "And not just the threat. The ones already in place."

Mexicans sought 'insurance'

Mexico's preliminary agreement in principle with the U.S. included a side letter that accepts voluntary export restraints, or quotas, on future automotive exports to the U.S. In return, future car tariffs won't apply to shipments below the mutually-acceptable level.
De Bolle was in Mexico last week, speaking to officials from both the outgoing and incoming administrations.
"All of them said explicitly that this letter was their insurance," she said. "They're very straightforward in terms of saying that this is why they accepted this deal — which, on the surface, seems to have been a bad deal for them in many other respects."
De Bolle said that the Trump administration may double back and impose car tariffs on Mexico anyway, but the Mexicans are betting that they won't.
Because of this move, "I can't see how the Canadians are not going to demand a similar insurance," she said.
But there were no assurances for Mexico about the removal of steel and aluminum tariffs — something that's important to both countries but arguably more critical for Canada, given how much it exports to the U.S.

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"Because the Mexicans gave so much away, it puts Canada in a tricky position," she said. "The U.S. is just basically going to say to the Canadians, 'We didn't do this for Mexico, so we're not going to do this for you.'"

The Trump administration's trade strategy is premised on creating American jobs by putting up tariff walls to support domestic industries. They aren't about to roll anything back, De Bolle said.
Proceeding with a new NAFTA without a de-escalation on tariffs would be a hard sell for the Trudeau government at home. That's why de Bolle thinks the Canadians are unlikely to settle this week.

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"I don't think we're going to get a NAFTA deal any time soon," she said. "I wouldn't be surprised if the Canadians are just playing for show here."



'Messy' to cut out Canada

Flavio Volpe, the president of Canada's Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association, said he won't judge Mexico's decision to accept quotas in the face of a serious threat to its economy. But he's concerned about the precedent it sets.
This threat of car tariffs may or may not be legitimate, Volpe said; major players in the U.S. automotive industry have warned of dire economic consequences, and Republican Senator Orrin Hatch warned Congress could repeal Trump's tariff powers if he followed through.
When it comes to NAFTA, "all of the things that exclude Canada are messy for American commercial interests," he said. "Whether it means something specifically to the president or not, it does mean something to Congress."
Instead of a side letter, Canada could insist the Commerce Department change the scope of its investigation to exclude its NAFTA partners.
The U.S. doesn't need to put quotas on Canada anyway: Canada's industry has been shrinking, not expanding like Mexico's.
Lifting steel and aluminum tariffs is trickier, Volpe said, because the U.S. industry is operating at only 50 per cent of its capacity. By contrast, the American automotive industry is operating at close to full capacity.
Canada's strongest defence is the damage car tariffs would do to the U.S. industry.
"Canada's not going to be the biggest loser on this one," Volpe said, adding his organization will be one of many heading to court to defend their industry.

Face-saving pragmatism?

Trade lawyer Mark Warner sees a tough choice shaping up for Canada — between trying its luck with the chaos that might unfold if this week's deadline is missed, or swallowing some national pride in the name of pragmatism.
It's not realistic to think that Trump will retract his tariff threats, he said. Canada may believe that levying national security tariffs against an ally is wrong, but that's not getting it anywhere.
"Their bet is that Trump won't do what he says he's going to do, he won't withdraw from NAFTA, and he won't put the [section] 232 tariffs on autos," he said. "Personally, my view is that those are two big bets.
"I doubt that Canada will get a formal carve-out from 232 tariffs explicitly made in this agreement. The practical thing, as the Mexicans figured out, is, 'Let's give him a face-saving device.'"
If quotas are set high enough, they might not hurt Canadian industries. But they could make the Trump administration feel like it has a win, and climb down.
"You've got to be a bit creative," Warner said.
Otherwise, Canada might need Congress to ride to its rescue to block either the car tariffs or Trump's withdrawal from NAFTA altogether.
Warner suspects a veto-proof majority in support of the existing NAFTA may be hard to achieve now, let alone after November's unpredictable midterms.

 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#146
Doug Ford off to Washington as NAFTA talks hit critical stage

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As Ontario Premier Doug Ford heads to Washington, he is warning the federal government not to give ground on measures protecting the agriculture sector during talks to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement.
Ford is due to meet Canada's NAFTA negotiators in the U.S. capital on Wednesday to be briefed on the status of the talks. It's his first trip to Washington since becoming premier in June.
Ford is making the trip to meet federal officials and "make the case that any NAFTA deal must protect Ontario jobs in both auto and agriculture sectors," he said in a speech to hundreds of farmers on Tuesday.
"I won't mix words when I go down there because farm jobs are not a bargaining chip. Not now, not ever," Ford said in Pain Court, Ont., at the opening ceremonies of the International Plowing Match, an annual event celebrating Ontario agriculture.
Asked by reporters for more details, Ford said, "I don't want any farmer used as a bargaining chip, be it supply management."
Sources have told CBC News that Canada is willing to make concessions on dairy supply management which would allow American farmers to sell more products north of the border.
Ford said his message to the Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government is: "Don't compromise, because we have to protect the farmers."
It's a shift in tone from Ford's previous pledges of unwavering support for the federal government on the NAFTA talks. It comes just a day after the federal Conservatives vowed to ramp up their criticism of how the government has handled the negotiations.
In June, just a week after winning the provincial election, Ford spoke of "Ontario's government standing shoulder to shoulder with our federal counterparts," in a joint news conference with Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland.
"We must stand together during these critical negotiations because there is so much at stake," he said.
Freeland is also heading to Washington this week in an effort to strike a final deal. She'll continue direct negotiations with her counterpart, United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer.
On Tuesday, despite urging the Trudeau government not to compromise, Ford insisted he still stands "shoulder to shoulder" with Ottawa on NAFTA.
Officials in Ottawa say they welcome Ford's interest in the NAFTA talks and see his contribution as useful. Ontario government sources tell CBC News that Ford has a strong relationship with the U.S. ambassador to Canada, Kelly Craft.
Since becoming premier, Ford has made direct contact with a number of U.S. governors to ensure their backing for a trade deal. His predecessor Kathleen Wynne spoke or met with more than 30 governors in the year and a half after the inauguration of U.S. President Donald Trump to try to promote the mutual benefits of NAFTA.
The U.S. is trying to extract some concessions from Canada on the dairy front, demanding more access to a market that is largely protected from imports by supply management. Trudeau has said repeatedly that he will not dismantle the country's farm policies.

 
spilledthebeer
+1
#147
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Doug Ford off to Washington as NAFTA talks hit critical stage


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As proof that even an IMBECILE can sometimes be right- I offer this: that Our idiot Boy Justin is right- that no deal is better than a bad deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But what our elected IMBECILE WILL NOT ANSWER is why in hell he is working so hard to ENSURE THERE IS NO DEAL???????????????????


LIE-berals and their bigoted media pals are working hard to AVOID having to publicly admit that Trump and Yankees are using trade talks as a way of beating up on LIE-berals for their TOTAL REFUSAL to take national security issues seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yankees DO NOT wish to import Chinese, Russian and Iranian spies- all carrying freshly minted Cdn passports issued by idiot LIE-berals, into United States!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nor do LIE-berals wish to admit that their reckless open border- accept any illegal from anywhere- is turning Canada into a haven for assorted terrorist sleeper cells!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even our LIE-beral friendly news media admits Canada is rapidly becoming a first class haveb for money laundering and assorted organized crime gangs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have a STARK CHOICE: "either get serious about national security or see the border CLOSED to Cdns and their trade"!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals can run and LIE-berals can hide........but this business WILL be an election issue in 2019!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And shouting "RACIST" will NOT make it go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hoid
#148
Doug Ford is the de facto leader of the Canadian conservatives.

He doesn't seem to want the feds to destroy the dairy farming sector.
 
spilledthebeer
#149
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Doug Ford is the de facto leader of the Canadian conservatives.

He doesn't seem to want the feds to destroy the dairy farming sector.


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Poor Hoid......you just do not get any of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ford has enough to do simply dealing with Ontari-owe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ford has no reason to jump into debates over national security!!!!!!!!!!!


Ford has already made it clear he thinks Our idiot Boy Justin should be FULLY RESPONSIBLE for all the illegals he is importing!!!!


Our idiot Boy has made it clear he thinks that any lesser mortals who carp over the cost of coping with illegals is a RACIST!!!!


Our idiot Boy Justin will be judged by the electorate in 2019 and I dont think it will be pretty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All countries have various farm subsidies in existence- Canada is NO DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!!!



The ONLY difference between Canada and other countries is that our idiot LIE-berals think it is rude of Yankees not to simply open heir borders to every spy and criminal that wants to travel to the place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HYPOCRITE LIE-berals want an open border and NO RESPONSIBILITY for any atrocity that a "new Cdn" - meaning a recently arrived illegal- chooses to commit in United States!!!!



Our idiot Boy HATES Yankees -just as his father did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy WANTS TO SEE United States HURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy and his moronic minions believe United States DESERVED the 9/11 attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There will be NO NAFTA DEAL till after Our idiot Boy is shoved out of office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
#150
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

NAFTA talks: Like Mexico, Canada may need 'insurance' against tariffs


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What does Mexico have to offer to Yankees???????


CHEAP labour and drug cartels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Trump has decided that Mexican labour is not cheap enough to bother putting up with all the smuggling of people and guns and drugs and assorted criminals!!!!!!!!!!!!


Considering the cost to catch, give a trial and then jail a hard core criminal- Trump HAS A POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


By comparison - Canada has all manner of stuff to offer from a large consumer market to a world record display of resources!!!!!!!!!


But Trunp DOES NOT WANT to import organized crime gangs, assorted spies from Russia and China and Muslim terrorist cells along with the Cdn lumber and dairy products!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is a tribute to the hypocrisy of Cdn media that very few people will admit that national security issues are behind ALL the border problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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