Your thoughts on a Federation of the Americas?

Martin Le Acadien
Quote: Originally Posted by Numure

Quote: Originally Posted by Rick van Opbergen

Numure that are some pretty tough conclusions about a person you barely know.

I'm talking about the time spent here. We can see and deduct quite alot from our own eyes.

Remember the word assume, don't take nothing for granted!
Martin Le Acadien
Quote: Originally Posted by Rick van Opbergen

"But you, seem more emotional in your opinions, less educated and more corrupted by Corporate mass media." If that is your interpretation of Martin, than I call that some pretty tough conclusions. Martin is has been here for a month, with at least one week not active on He has not participated in many discussions so far. That's why I find your conclusions rather tough. Personally, for me, Martin seems to be opposite, I base that on my conversations I had with him about Acadians and Cajuns, but I know him too little to have a good personal opinion about him.

Must go to work,will miss another week of fine forum discussion, must go to pay taxes and support the brood! 7 days Offshore with 7 days at home!
Reverend Blair

I never called my self an "expert", just a person who has been to Mexico!

You suggested, rather pointedly, that neither I nor any of my sources, relatives, friends, or anybody else who agreed with me knew anything because you had been there. That kind of suggests you are claiming expertise.


!. Mexico is a poor country, it has a Rich Class, Poor Class and a small Middle Class, do you agree? Mexico is a country of contrasts unlike the US and Canada, you might see a million dollar resort next to a slum! Canada, Europe and the US are basically First World Countries with good Infastructure!

Nobody ever argued with that. The difference is in why we think Mexico hasn't done better. Your view is that it's because of corrupt officials. My view is that it's because of US imperialism and the corrupt officials are a by-product of poverty.


2. Mexico has an expanding population which accounts for some of the pressures to emigrate, Agree? 72 million, 1990 census.

No, I don't agree. While there is some emigration because of population pressures, most emigration (legal and illegal) and internal movement within Mexico is because of economic concerns. NAFTA has flooded the market with cheap, subsidized, gm corn, which has made it almost impossible for a Mexican farmer to get a decent price for his crop. The US has acted in a very predatory manner against all attempts by Mexican farmers to keep subsidized crops out of their traditional market.

This is nothing new and certainly is not specific to Mexico. This is the very issue that caused developing nations from Latin America, Africa and Asia to tell Robert Zoellick to piss off in Cancun. To Jean Chretien's credit (and I don't give him credit for much) he had Canada back up the developing countries.

The same battle continued between South American countries and Canada against the US at the FTAA talks in Florida. Again the deal came apart. These talks had a much wider scope, but agricultural subsidies were an important factor, along with US oil interests actions in Venezuela, Brazil, and Columbia.

The major reason for emigration north from all of Latin America continues to be economic. The issue of unionisation and union activists being murdered by militias backed by the US government and US corporations is discussed and acknowledged by activists (and a growing number of governments) in every country except the US, who refuses to tie human rights issues to trade deals.


3. Your Aunt built some schools and taught, that is not unusual, the Catholic Church here in South Louisiana has sponsored several parishes in Mexico, our Sponsored Parish is in Coahila State outside Hermosilla the capital of the State.

Yet you chose to say,

The health care and School you talk about is non existant,

when I mentioned it before.


4. I would like to know more about the Mennonite Situation in Mexico, I know they have the most prospourous farms in Mexico but the Government has been trying to bring them into the ejido system. We too have Mexician "temporary" workers here too in Louisiana.

I asked a man named Klassen why he moved here at the Corn and Apple fest in Morden last year. His answer, "Our crops are worth nothing because of US imports and what you do get paid is in Mexican. If you need to buy equipment it is in American. We got my cousin to sponsor us."

It's a story you hear over and over again if you research this at all. It comes from some Mennonites (they are still better off than most) and most Mexican farmers. It comes from sixteen year old girls working in the Maquiladoras and it comes from old men on farms.


The land is owned by the government, and the ejido is financed by a special national bank which supplies the necessary capital for reclamation, improvement, initial seeding, and so forth. In effect, the bank has replaced the colonial encomendero, with this difference—the laborer is paid on the basis of unit work accomplished.

Since tha land is controlled and owned by the Government, the problem is that if you are not in with the powers to be, your plot can be "appropriated."

Yet attempts at land reforms that allow private ownership by farmers have largely been scuttled by government corruption and bribes paid by land speculators. Further, because crops are worth so little now (see how that keeps coming up) indigenous farmers cannot raise the capital to buy land (most are paid by the value of their crops, not a standard wage) and are reluctant to continue farming when they know that the crops they raise will be worth nothing.


6. Corruption is widespread in Mexico and Latin America with the exception of Costa Rica, a very stable and prosperous country, it has no army, only a small National Police Force, a two party system and welcomes investment! Also very protective of its local industries!

Nobody questions this. The question is why that corruption is being used to benefit foreign corporations while continuing to subjugate the people in Mexico and the rest of Latin America. Since Venezuela has arguably taken the most effective steps in ridding itself of corruption, the answer very definitely lay in reducing the influence of the US government and US corporations over the local elites and spreading the wealth out over a wider swath of the population.

Costa Rica is not a valid example of the challenges facing the rest of South America because it is very much a de facto protectorate of the United States, not a truly sovereign state.


7. Socialism is and has been a failure in Mexico because when you give a Corrupt Politician control over the means of Production and the MONEY, he just can't help himself! In Europe, Canada and the US we have oversight to some degree, but without the oversight, it becomes thievery and in the Third World where I have traveled, it isn't hard to see!

Sorry to bust your bubble, these are the FACTS!

Mexico never had true socialism, Martin. They did attempt a kind of integrated economy, but constant interference from the US government and US corporations handcuffed a lot of government initiatives.

Capitalism has also been an abject failure in Mexico, and for many of the same reasons. When young girls from the Maquiladoras are being preyed on...raped and killed...and there is no serious investigation because the predator is undoubtedly part of the power structure, possibly American; when union activists are murdered in broad daylight and nobody wants to even look for the killers; when people die from water-borne diseases on a daily basis...that is an abject failure.

Sorry to bust your bubble, Martin...things have been getting worse, not better.

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