Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban


petros
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#31
CNOOC wants their bought and paid for oil.
 
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mentalfloss
#32
The problem is bitumen.

It's always been bitumen.
 
petros
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#33
There is no bitumen being piped anywhere. CNOOC and Husky deal in conventional heavy oil.

Why do you avoid facts?
 
mentalfloss
#34
Why do you like bitumen so much?
 
petros
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#35
I love heavy and sweet crude.
 
B00Mer
No Party Affiliation
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#36
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Why do you like bitumen so much?

Why not? It’s a Canadian product
 
petros
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#37
Why don't you know the difference?

The Trans Mountain Pipeline transports crude oil, semi-refined and refined products in a series in the same pipeline. This process is known as “batching.” Think of it as a “batch train,” with one product following another product through the pipeline during a specific time period. It’s like a series of rail cars carrying different products moving in a sequence along the 1,150-kilometre pipeline.

Trans Mountain is the only pipeline in North America that carries both refined product and crude oil in batches.

On any given day, the pipeline is used to move different grades or varieties of petroleum. Products moving next to each other in the pipeline can mix. This mixing – or product interface – is minimized by putting the products in a specific sequence.

No bitumen. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Zip zant diddly squat.
 
mentalfloss
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#38
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Why not? It’s a Canadian product

He has a dinosaur fetish.
 
petros
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#39
Dumbass. Boomer is for it and oil isn't from dinosaurs.

As for the keepers of the earth that Cliff says are anti-oil...

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The success in the oil industry is said to be credited to a unique agreement signed with Tri Link Resources Ltd., a Calgary based oil company. This agreement allows Tri Link to drill for oil on the reserve and enables WBOG to take part in the oil production by sharing in the costs and profits and benefitting from the employment opportunities and economic spinoffs.

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Ph.: (306) 577–4896

They are investing in a new refinery.

New refinery announced for Stoughton

That's wicked! Standingready will go down as one of the best Chiefs in history.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
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#40
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

There have been many problems in the past as there will be many problems in the future.

On Trans Mountain 1? Did you know they rail it to the B.C. terminal as well? which is better in your mind?

Quote:

Apparently there is no definitive research into the nature of bitumen spills. It seems prudent to limit this now, with an eye on eliminating it completely in the future if we discover the problem to be too dangerous

They have all kinds of spill studies on raw and diluted heavy bitumen oil, pipeline and oil companies have to have an ERP and cleanup protocol in place before any of it can be transported, same as refined product.

Mother nature played a cruel joke on tree huggers when she spilled this heavy oil all over Ft Mac. and hid it under a bunch of vegetation before wildcatters followed up on native stories of oil laying on top of the ground.
 
petros
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#41
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

On Trans Mountain 1? Did you know they rail it to the B.C. terminal as well? which is better in your mind?

Derailments along the Fraser are very very common.

Google it.



Good thing it was grain.
 
mentalfloss
#42
Bit

U

Men
 
petros
#43
Mythical SUBSIDIES.
 
petros
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#44
He drives an 07 Honda that gets worse mileage than a modern pick up truck.
 
Mowich
Conservative
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#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I think that Alberta should have a huffy-snit and separate! ... from EVERYBODY! ... because everybody else is a MEANY!!

Many of us in the Heartland of BC wish we could separate from the Left Coast.
 
Scooby
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

That is declaration of war against the people of BC, especially our native people. This is going to cause blood shed. Fukk tar sands. Pump it east if you must. We don't want that shit fowling up our water, soil and air.

That's a bit dramatic, this is Canada. There will be lots of upset people, but nothing beyond protest rallies.
 
Hoid
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#47
Quote: Originally Posted by Scooby View Post

That's a bit dramatic, this is Canada. There will be lots of upset people, but nothing beyond protest rallies.

It will get uglier than you imagine.

Blood is going to be spilled.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Many of us in the Heartland of BC wish we could separate from the Left Coast.

Nobody in the Kootenays wants this pipeline. I believe we outnumber the southern Cariboo. And since it is running roughshod over indigenous territory, things could get really ugly, like Gustafson Lake.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
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#49
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

There have been many problems in the past as there will be many problems in the future.

Apparently there is no definitive research into the nature of bitumen spills. It seems prudent to limit this now, with an eye on eliminating it completely in the future if we discover the problem to be too dangerous

Bitumen has been proven to float. Try reading something informational.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

What a sack of shit Trudeau is. Pipelines for China! But an eastern flow pipeline? Fugget about it.
This is pretty f*cked when you think about it. Trudeau is going to run roughshod over BC's "social licence" to supply oil to a "basic dictatorship" while not running roughshod on Quebec and Montreal in order to keep importing oil from a theocratic, fascist state that is also the largest exporter and supporter of Islamic terrorism on the planet.

BC has given "social license" to pipelines. It is just a small vocal minority that don't want it.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

There is no bitumen being piped anywhere. CNOOC and Husky deal in conventional heavy oil.

Why do you avoid facts?

Facts contradict the dogma.
 
Hoid
#50
Bitumen has been proven to float.

Awesome.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+3
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Many of us in the Heartland of BC wish we could separate from the Left Coast.

Many of us on the coast wish we could send the anti everything crowd back to Ontario where most of them came from. And cut off funding from US$ that soil to oil and timber interests.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Nobody in the Kootenays wants this pipeline. I believe we outnumber the southern Cariboo. And since it is running roughshod over indigenous territory, things could get really ugly, like Gustafson Lake.

You are about the only one. The people IWork with from all over BC all want the pipelines. Not that I said work with. What the freeloaders want is not relevant to us.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#52
Bitumen Doesn't Float

Study debunks Enbridge claims that oil sands crude spill is standard clean-up

Some diluted bitumen products will sink in fresh and brackish marine waters in less than 26hours following a tanker spill or accident at a marine terminal.
That's the conclusion of new report by Jeff Short, a highly respected U.S. environmental chemist who worked with for National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) for decades.




Short directed much of the groundbreaking research on the impact of the Exxon Valdez spill on aquatic life. His research found that oil's toxic properties lasted as long as two decades in marine waters.
The scientist's bitumen study ("Susceptibility of Diluted Bitumen from the Alberta Tar Sands to Sinking in Water"), was filed by the Gitxaala Nation to the National Energy Board last March and directly contradicts testimony by Enbridge hired guns during the Northern Gateway hearings.


http://thetyee.ca/News/2013/05/23/Bi...oes-Not-Float/
 
JamesBondo
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#53
tyee is not what I would call a reputable media source
 
petros
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#54
Of course it floats and none is being piped or rail tanked to any shore anywhere.

Facts are facts.

How much longer will this be tolerated?



Lower Mainland drivers may be experiencing a bit of sticker shock this week as prices at the pump have climbed to an average of $1.479 per litre in most areas Tuesday.

"Vancouver has traditionally been subject to the highest prices for gasoline anywhere in North America and this certainly is the case today," said gas price analyst Dan McTeague.

McTeague, of Gasbuddy.com, says a rise in prices is not the norm for this time of year.

"This is an unusual January in that we rarely see prices move up. If anything, they move down," he said.

"But a combination of oil prices moving up several dollars a barrel, shortages in the U.S. West Coast where we draw in a lot of our gasoline supply ... all of these things are contributing to the much higher prices," McTeague said.

McTeague says one of the contributing factors to high prices in the region is that we don't produce enough gasoline in our own backyard.

"We have one small refinery, the Parkland Refinery over in Burnaby — 55,000 barrels a day, that's just not enough to meet the demands for the Lower Mainland and Vancouver Island to boot," he said.

If you hate Trans Mountain you are a good egg to Trump and Evil Corp USA LLC

As for BC tourism and carbon tax, big losses ahead.

Summer could see even higher prices
McTeague says he expects prices to stay around $1.44 for the next few weeks before dropping mid-February to about $1.40.

But he is predicting that prices this summer could reach $1.50 or higher.

"In the meantime, it's more pain at the pumps and I suspect that many people will be making that trip across the border into Blaine, [Wash.]
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Last edited by petros; Feb 3rd, 2018 at 01:00 PM..
 
Walter
#55
Turdoh has nice hair.
 
petros
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#56
Gas bought in Washington State has no Canadian Carbon Taxes.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
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#57
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Nobody in the Kootenays wants this pipeline. I believe we outnumber the southern Cariboo. And since it is running roughshod over indigenous territory, things could get really ugly, like Gustafson Lake.

Where were they when TMPL 1 was being built? TMPL 2 is being built on the same easement not much of an argument from you since the clean up would be based on the same as TMPL 1
 
petros
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#58
In Blaine WA $2.99US a gallon (3.79L). CDN $0.78 = $1.01L CDN

3 cents cheaper than Regina which is $1.04L

Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Where were they when TMPL 1 was being built? TMPL 2 is being built on the same easement not much of an argument from you since the clean up would be based on the same as TMPL 1

But there are ghost bears and samsquanch breeding grounds along the route.
 
OpposingDigit
#59
As sanctions against Iran increase and as bad-mouthing Venezuela increase, we can expect higher energy pricing.
I would guess that BC voters have about as much say as Ontario voters have when it comes to nuclear waste disposal.
 
petros
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#60
Any oil imports into Canada are a drag on the economy.

Why is that so hard for knuckle dragging eco-apes to understand?

TMPL Reduces supertankers from Alaska sailing through The Juan Defuca Straight into Puget Sound.