Step on Obama

ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#1
Elena Kagan emerging as
Supreme Court front-runner
(Huffington Post) Elena Kagan, President Obama's solicitor general, is rapidly emerging as a frontrunner to replace retiring Chief Associate Justice John Paul Stevens ...

Must they all have fat chins.
 
Icarus27k
#2
Who President Obama should appoint to the US Supreme Court:

Martha Minow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She was mentioned like once during last year's Supreme Court vacancy (the one filled by Sonya Sotomayor), but that's it.
 
Icarus27k
#3
I have a proverb that I thought up that has helped me through some hard times. "At least you're not David Souter".

Former US Supreme Court Justice Souter retired from the Court last year. Part of his reasons were that he didn't like the job that much anymore and he disliked his surrondings. He has since moved back to his home state of New Hampshire to live in a technology-lacking log cabin in the woods, by himself. The news reports always portray as a melancholy person.

So, sure, you're life may suck at times, but at least you're not David Souter.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#4
We need a change on the court to level it from the far right extremism that it has had for all these years. Hopefully, President Obama will get another couple of appointments for it.
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#5
The new Communist America.

Social justice as Obama promised.

So much for the Constitution soon to be a worthless piece of paper.
 
Slim Chance
#6
That's a highly ironic post coming from you liberalman....
 
Icarus27k
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Icarus27k View Post

I have a proverb that I thought up that has helped me through some hard times. "At least you're not David Souter".

Former US Supreme Court Justice Souter retired from the Court last year. Part of his reasons were that he didn't like the job that much anymore and he disliked his surrondings. He has since moved back to his home state of New Hampshire to live in a technology-lacking log cabin in the woods, by himself. The news reports always portray as a melancholy person.

So, sure, you're life may suck at times, but at least you're not David Souter.

The logic in this proverb works most of the time. The only time it wouldn't work is if the person reading this is David Souter. But really, he lives in a technology-lacking cabin. What would he be doing on a Canadian message board?

The story of the boy who cried zombie is an example of inspirational message that has a MUCH bigger logical problem. That being no one has ever heard the story because the boy's entire village was devoured by zombies and there was thus no one left to tell the tale.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#8
Dr. Krauthammer is on Fox News. He is an M.D. (psychiatrist) and a lawyer and is paralyzed from the neck down. A friend went to hear Charles Krauthammer. He listened with 25 others in a closed room. What he says here, is NOT 2nd-hand but 1st. The ramifications are staggering for us, our children and their children.

Last Monday was a profound evening, Dr. Charles Krauthammer spoke to the Center for the American Experiment. He is a brilliant intellectual, seasoned & articulate. He is forthright and careful in his analysis, and never resorts to emotions or personal insults. He is NOT a fear monger nor an extremist in his comments and views. He is a fiscal conservative, and has received a Pulitzer Prize for writing. He is a frequent contributor to Fox News and writes weekly for the Washington Post.

The entire room was held spellbound during his talk. I have summarized his comments, as we are living in uncharted waters economically and internationally.




Summary of his comments:

1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to be underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's behind the mask. The taking down of the Clinton dynasty was an amazing accomplishment. The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.

2. Obama has political skills comparable to Reagan and Clinton. He has a way of making you think he's on your side, agreeing with your position, while doing the opposite. Pay no attention to what he SAYS; rather, watch what he DOES!

3. Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change everything, including dismantling capitalism. He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along.









He has a heavy hand, and wants to level the playing field with income redistribution and punishment to the achievers of society. He would like to model the USA to Great Britain or Canada .

4. His three main goals are to control ENERGY, PUBLIC EDUCATION, and NATIONAL HEALTHCARE by the Federal government. He doesn't care about the auto or financial services industries, but got them as an early bonus. The cap and trade will add costs to everything and stifle growth. Paying for FREE college education is his goal. Most scary is his healthcare program, because if you make it FREE and add 46,000,000 people to a Medicare-type single-payer system, the costs will go through the roof. The only way to control costs is with massive RATIONING of services, like in Canada.

5. He has surrounded himself with mostly far-left academic types. No one around him has ever even run a candy store. But they are going to try and run the auto, financial, banking and other industries. This obviously can't work in the long run. Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left. Again, watch what he does, not what he says.

6. Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate & coordinate various countries and their
agendas. He sees moral equivalency in all cultures. His apology tour in Germany and England was a prime example of how he sees America , as an imperialist nation that has been arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors. This is the first President ever who has chastised our allies and appeased our enemies!

7. He is now handing out goodies. He hopes that the bill (and pain) will not come due until after he is reelected in 2012. He would like to blame all problems on Bush from the past, and hopefully his successor in the future. He has a huge ego, and Dr. Krauthammer believes he is a narcissist.

8. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. Republicans are pining for another Reagan, but there will never be another like him. Krauthammer believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty & Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in February) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage. Sarah Palin is sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if she is to be a serious candidate in the future.. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state's rights.

9. The current level of spending is irresponsible and outrageous. We are spending trillions that we don't have. This could lead to hyperinflation, depression or worse. No country has ever spent themselves into prosperity. The media is giving Obama, Reid and Pelosi a pass because they love their agenda. But eventually the bill will come due and people will realize the huge bailouts didn't work, nor will the stimulus package. These were trillion-dollar payoffs to Obama's allies, unions and the Congress to placate the left, so he can get support for #4 above.

10. The election was over in mid-September when Lehman brothers failed, fear and panic swept in, we had an unpopular President, and the war was grinding on indefinitely without a clear outcome. The people are in pain, and the mantra of change caused people to act emotionally. Any Dem would have won this election; it was surprising it was as close as it was.

11. In 2012, if the unemployment rate is over 10%, Republicans will be swept back into power. If it's under 8%, the Dems continue to roll. If it's between 8-10%, it will be a dogfight. It will all be about the economy. I hope this gets you really thinking about what's
happening in Washington and Congress. There is a left-wing revolution going on, according to Krauthammer, and he encourages us to keep the faith and join the loyal resistance. The work will be hard, but we're right on most issues and can reclaim our country, before it's far too late.




http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/dr-charles-krauthammer/blog-156785/
 
theconqueror
#9







"Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world."

Hmm... toss of a coin at this point...
 
Icarus27k
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

5. He has surrounded himself with mostly far-left academic types. No one around him has ever even run a candy store. But they are going to try and run the auto, financial, banking and other industries. This obviously can't work in the long run. Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left. Again, watch what he does, not what he says.

Barack Obama is center-left at most. He's not a "far-left ... progressive". If he were, he would have immediately withdrawed US forces from Iraq and Afghanistan; not even bat an eye at deficit spending, in keeping with Keyensian economics; push for some single-payer type health care system; condemn anything that has to do with oil drilling; probably would criminally prosectue Bush administration officials; and certainly would appoint someone more ideological than Elena Kagan to the position of Solicitor General.

It kind of amazes me what is considered "far left" sometimes.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#11
Jobless claims soar
(CNNMoney.com) The number of Americans filing for unemployment insurance for the first time jumped last week, according to government data released Thursday. There were 460,000 initial jobless claims filed in the week ended April 3, up 18,000 from an upwardly revised 442,000 the previous week, according to the Labor Department's weekly report.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Icarus27k View Post

Barack Obama is center-left at most. He's not a "far-left ... progressive". If he were, he would have immediately withdrawed US forces from Iraq and Afghanistan; not even bat an eye at deficit spending, in keeping with Keyensian economics; push for some single-payer type health care system; condemn anything that has to do with oil drilling; probably would criminally prosectue Bush administration officials; and certainly would appoint someone more ideological than Elena Kagan to the position of Solicitor General.

It kind of amazes me what is considered "far left" sometimes.

Anything left of a Republican is far left. Canada is a communist country to them.
Funny because I consider the NDP right wing from where I stand.
 
Icarus27k
#13
And continuing jobless claims fell.

Plus, I don't take plus 14,000 to be an example of "soar[ing]". Now, something like plus 75,000 is "soaring". Seriously, the headline isn't justified by the info contained in the body of the article.
 
theconqueror
#14
Yeah but, Americans don't count if they succeed or fail. They are no more than a British experiment in my book which really matters not what happens to them..
 
Icarus27k
#15
If Obama were a real left person, the following guy would have a major position in the Obama administration


Perhaps as White House Chief of Staff instead of Rahm Emanuel.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Anything left of a Republican is far left. Canada is a communist country to them.
Funny because I consider the NDP right wing from where I stand.

I don't think that comment is right in this forum, after reading some of the comments by Canadians I think there is a real chance for you guys.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#17
" "Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world."



Proof, please.
 
EagleSmack
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

I don't think that comment is right in this forum, after reading some of the comments by Canadians I think there is a real chance for you guys.

That is sort of what some Canadians claim. I really don't see any difference between Canadians who are on the left than I see in Americans that are on the left. Same with the center and the right. Our lefties are just like Canadian lefties. Our righties are just like theirs. And Canadians in the center are just like Americans in the center. The only difference is some different policies and different proceedures in the government. That's about it.
 
DurkaDurka
No Party Affiliation
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

That is sort of what some Canadians claim. I really don't see any difference between Canadians who are on the left than I see in Americans that are on the left. Same with the center and the right. Our lefties are just like Canadian lefties. Our righties are just like theirs. And Canadians in the center are just like Americans in the center. The only difference is some different policies and different proceedures in the government. That's about it.

It's hard to say what our "righties" are like in comparison to yours since they have ruled as a minority government for the past 5 years, forcing them to govern from the middle more or less.

As for our lefties, ya, they are probably quite similar, if you remove moderates from the bunch.

One difference I do notice though is that American's tend to be quite a bit more socially conservative... ie, death penalty, gay marriage, abortion etc.
 
EagleSmack
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

It's hard to say what our "righties" are like in comparison to yours since they have ruled as a minority government for the past 5 years, forcing them to govern from the middle more or less.

As for our lefties, ya, they are probably quite similar, if you remove moderates from the bunch.

One difference I do notice though is that American's tend to be quite a bit more socially conservative... ie, death penalty, gay marriage, abortion etc.

Those are good points with regards to gay marriage and the death penalty. Abortion simply isn't going anywhere regardless of what the pro-choice like to make people believe. It is in the Constitution and that is pretty much that. I am sure Canadians have a pro-life movement as well.

I saw some of the threads on the Death Penalty and it seems like there are quite a few who want it up there. They may be in the minority but not by much.

But my state here, Massachusetts, is about as left and liberal as you can get. Sure we sent a Republican to the Senate and that was more because of his opponent's arrogance and sense of entitlement that showed throughout the campaign. She was already picking out her curtains down in D.C. He'll have to fight for that seat each time he is up for re-election. He is not a sure thing to win as Kennedy was. Most of our state reps are Democrats and liberal.
 
DurkaDurka
No Party Affiliation
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Those are good points with regards to gay marriage and the death penalty. Abortion simply isn't going anywhere regardless of what the pro-choice like to make people believe. It is in the Constitution and that is pretty much that. I am sure Canadians have a pro-life movement as well.

I saw some of the threads on the Death Penalty and it seems like there are quite a few who want it up there. They may be in the minority but not by much.

But my state here, Massachusetts, is about as left and liberal as you can get. Sure we sent a Republican to the Senate and that was more because of his opponent's arrogance and sense of entitlement that showed throughout the campaign. She was already picking out her curtains down in D.C. He'll have to fight for that seat each time he is up for re-election. He is not a sure thing to win as Kennedy was. Most of our state reps are Democrats and liberal.

Canada has a sizable number of people who share similar opinions on the Death Penalty, Gay Marriage, Abortion etc... it's not really a political issue anymore though. If a political party runs a platform on any of those 3, it pretty much ensures their defeat.

John Tory, a conservative politician from Ontario pretty much sunk his campaign a few years back because he made funding of religious based schools one of his platforms. That didn't sit too well with the population and he was subsequently spanked by his liberal opponent.
 
EagleSmack
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

Canada has a sizable number of people who share similar opinions on the Death Penalty, Gay Marriage, Abortion etc... it's not really a political issue anymore though. If a political party runs a platform on any of those 3, it pretty much ensures their defeat.

I agree they aren't. Here in Massachusetts when Martha Coakley realized she was down in the polls she ramped up the most negative campaign the state ever saw.

"Scott Brown wants to refuse care for rape victims"

"Scott Brown was lock step with Bush and Cheney."

It was hilarious and it backfired. He wasn't even in a position to vote on any Bush measures because he represented his town in the Massachusetts State Legislature.

Quote:

John Tory, a conservative politician from Ontario pretty much sunk his campaign a few years back because he made funding of religious based schools one of his platforms. That didn't sit too well with the population and he was subsequently spanked by his liberal opponent.

They same goes here. If you appear to far right you are going to get trounced on election day.
 
DurkaDurka
No Party Affiliation
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

I agree they aren't. Here in Massachusetts when Martha Coakley realized she was down in the polls she ramped up the most negative campaign the state ever saw.

"Scott Brown wants to refuse care for rape victims"

"Scott Brown was lock step with Bush and Cheney."

It was hilarious and it backfired. He wasn't even in a position to vote on any Bush measures because he represented his town in the Massachusetts State Legislature.



They same goes here. If you appear to far right you are going to get trounced on election day.

Scott Brown seems to be a pretty decent person, not the Tea Party extremist the media tried to make him out as. Seems more of a moderate-fiscal conservative then anything?

The thing with Tory, is that he could have possibly won the election if it wasn't for the religious schooling gaffe, which kind of disrupts the traditional public funding of secular + catholic schools to include every other religion under the sun.
 
EagleSmack
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

Scott Brown seems to be a pretty decent person, not the Tea Party extremist the media tried to make him out as. Seems more of a moderate-fiscal conservative then anything?

Durka, the Tea Party aren't extremist. That is how they are being painted by the Democrats who hate people speaking out in public and as a group.

Quote:

The thing with Tory, is that he could have possibly won the election if it wasn't for the religious schooling gaffe, which kind of disrupts the traditional public funding of secular + catholic schools to include every other religion under the sun.

I've always been against public funding for any private schools, religious or private. That would be a sore spot here as well. Advocates for that type of funding simply say...

"Why should I pay taxes for a school when I send my kids to private school. I want a voucher."

I disagree with that too.
 
DurkaDurka
No Party Affiliation
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Durka, the Tea Party aren't extremist. That is how they are being painted by the Democrats who hate people speaking out in public and as a group.



I've always been against public funding for any private schools, religious or private. That would be a sore spot here as well. Advocates for that type of funding simply say...

"Why should I pay taxes for a school when I send my kids to private school. I want a voucher."

I disagree with that too.

Sorry, I should have phrased that differently. I didn't mean to imply that all Tea Party groups are extremist, rather the media tried to paint him as belong to rather extremist fringe elements of it.

In a perfect world, government would fund public schools, that's it. If you want your child to have religious instruction, pay for it or leave it to your church etc.
 
EagleSmack
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

Sorry, I should have phrased that differently. I didn't mean to imply that all Tea Party groups are extremist, rather the media tried to paint him as belong to rather extremist fringe elements of it.

In a perfect world, government would fund public schools, that's it. If you want your child to have religious instruction, pay for it or leave it to your church etc.

To survive in this state Scott Brown had to be anything but an extremist. His opponent on the other hand showed the side of what pretty much everyone here loathes. Arrogance and entitlement.

That is how it works here and I would imagine the same is in Canada. Private Schools do not get public funding.
 
Icarus27k
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post


"Scott Brown was lock step with Bush and Cheney."

It was hilarious and it backfired.

Well, in Coakley's defense, wherever Sen. Brown goes, the bodies of the homeless are found drained of their blood. I'm not accusing anybody of anything. I'm just saying.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

" "Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world."



Proof, please.


Still waiting for your proof.
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

We need a change on the court to level it from the far right extremism that it has had for all these years. Hopefully, President Obama will get another couple of appointments for it.

This appointment will not change the balance of the court, Obama will be replacing one liberal with another. If one of the conservative justices were to retire, Thomas, or Scalia, that sill change the balance in the court.

But really, the US Supreme Court has become a travesty of its former self. Justices are supposed to interpret the constitution to the best of their ability, regardless of who the outcomes helps and who it hurts. That is the proper job of a Supreme Court justice.

But in USA these days, justices are politicians first, jurists second. Most of the time they blindly vote the party line, Republican or Democratic. Currently the Republicans have a majority, 5 to 4.

Nowhere was this more evident than in the 2000 election, where the Supreme Court awarded the presidency to Bush on strict party line, political vote, the 5 Republicans voting for Bush, the 4 Democrats voting for Gore.

Supreme Court should really be the last, dispassionate, nonpartisan resort to interpret the constitution, and should not be turned into a political footblal, as it is these days.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#30
The Supreme court should have never gotten involved in the 2000 election at all. There were no Constitutional issues to interpret.

Electorial College settled it. In other words, good old Thomas Jefferson reached out again.

Presidential Election of 2000, Electoral and Popular Vote Summary — Infoplease.com
 

Similar Threads

30
The Throne Speech Two Step
by Liberalman | Oct 18th, 2007
3
First step to the Road Map
by Anonymous | Mar 3rd, 2004