Man dies of injuries after savage beating on Edmonton train


Locutus
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EDMONTON — An Edmonton man savagely beaten in broad daylight in a train car has died from his injuries.

Police say 29-year-old John Hollar died in hospital late Sunday night after being attacked Friday afternoon on the city’s rapid transit line.

It was a fight that forced transit officials to make a gut-wrenching decision when the train pulled into the first station and the other passengers fled while the beating continued.

Transit officials were forced to decide whether to keep the doors open and hope the fight ended on its own or close the doors for three minutes to get the train to the next station, where security and first aid were available.

They closed the doors, and when the train arrived at the next station, the alleged attacker was arrested but Hollar was found unconscious with severe, and ultimately fatal, head injuries.

Jeremy Newborn, 29, faces a charge of second-degree murder.



John Hollar dies of injuries after savage beating on Edmonton train | Canada | News | National Post
 
petros
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Where were the men on the train? Watching a podcast of Dancing With The Stars?
 
L Gilbert
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No-one bothered to interfere? Un-f'n-real.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

No-one bothered to interfere? Un-f'n-real.

Un-f'n-real is right. The so-called security should have had no problems stopping this from happening.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

No-one bothered to interfere? Un-f'n-real.

15 of them. Studies have shown that many will stand back and do nothing until 1 person takes action. Then the group or parts of it do the right thing.
 
karrie
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It says that passengers tried to intervene.

It's easy to sit back from the comfort of our computer screens and say how it should have gone. it's another when dealing with someone so unhinged that they beat someone to death with their bare hands.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

It says that passengers tried to intervene.

It's easy to sit back from the comfort of our computer screens and say how it should have gone. it's another when dealing with someone so unhinged that they beat someone to death with their bare hands.

I was reading a different article - That said many do not assist or intervene.

John Hollar dies of injuries after savage beating on Edmonton train | Canada | News | National Post

“Sometimes we have to make these decisions. That’s the nature of our reality.”

Gabruck said the broad-daylight attack by one man on passenger John Hollar in front of about 15 fellow transit riders had already begun when the train pulled into the north-end Belvedere station last Friday afternoon.

At the station, the doors opened and the other passengers fled, but the attack raged on.

“Most people when they’re involved in a crime will commit the crime and then flee. This person had that opportunity. He chose to stay on the train,” said Gabruck.
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

I was reading a different article - That said many do not assist or intervene.

That same article says that two passengers tried to intervene.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

That same article says that two passengers tried to intervene.

Intervene is still not clear- Could be verbal to what we do not know - I stand by what I posted about the studies and human nature. These incidents have been studied time and again. Recall the Nurse who was murdered in the early 60's in New York.
Do we have all the details - No- was I slamming the passengers - No-
We all act differently under stress.

Murder of Kitty Genovese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
karrie
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I wasn't replying just to you Goober. The Kitty Genovese case is a classic instance of bystander syndrome. It happens. But, sometimes it's not 'bystander syndrome' that stops people from intervening, sometimes it's the level of risk.
 
eh1eh
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Where were the men on the train? Watching a podcast of Dancing With The Stars?

To bad they weren't American so they would have had the right to shoot the attackers.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

I wasn't replying just to you Goober. The Kitty Genovese case is a classic instance of bystander syndrome. It happens. But, sometimes it's not 'bystander syndrome' that stops people from intervening, sometimes it's the level of risk.

I realize that. We all have the self preservation instinct. And why we have some that are heroes by doing what we would or could not. Whether we panicked, froze or deemed the risks unacceptable.
 
china
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Bring the death penalty back.
 
petros
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The passengers would have helped but there isn't an app for that.

Chicken sh*ts.
 
Dixie Cup
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With the amount of people supposidly on that train, surely this "animal" could have been "swarmed" and held until help arrived. I may not be the strongest person, but I would have had no problem sitting on someone's head or chest or whatever... I simply don't understand what happened. 15 people and they couldn't have done anything? Doesn't make sense to me. Mind you, having said that, I just recalled that, a while ago, it took 5 or 6 cops to handle a guy who was on something - he was absolutely out of control. So, maybe this guy was as well???? Still, 15 people???? Wonder if we'll ever really find out what transpired and why that didn't happen.

JMHO
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

With the amount of people supposidly on that train, surely this "animal" could have been "swarmed" and held until help arrived. I may not be the strongest person, but I would have had no problem sitting on someone's head or chest or whatever... I simply don't understand what happened. 15 people and they couldn't have done anything? Doesn't make sense to me. Mind you, having said that, I just recalled that, a while ago, it took 5 or 6 cops to handle a guy who was on something - he was absolutely out of control. So, maybe this guy was as well???? Still, 15 people???? Wonder if we'll ever really find out what transpired and why that didn't happen.

JMHO

Most people don't want to "get involved".
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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Despicable...
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

Despicable...

But human nature!
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

But human nature!

Sadly, it is one of less than appealing traits when a herd mentality takes over a groups psyche...
 
taxslave
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At one time I would have jumped right in. Help or not. Now I am not so sure. With age come slower reactions and lack of mobility. Now I would at least like a chunk of 2X4 on my side.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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I had a confrontation with a guy a few weeks before Christmas. I won't say where or over what, but he was adamant that I was a Mother****** and he was going to kick my ***. I calmly dropped my hands to my side and said. "Go ahead." He was at least 20 years young than I and may well have got the better of me. After he choked I explained that there were cameras everywhere, even pointed a few out. He said he was going to get me outside the place where he was challenging me. When I got outside he was nowhere to be found. I'm glad, I'm getting too old for this kind of crap, but I will never stand by and watch someone get beaten down. All it takes is one or two people to step up in a situation like this and the herd mentality turns from flight to fight.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

At one time I would have jumped right in. Help or not. Now I am not so sure. With age come slower reactions and lack of mobility. Now I would at least like a chunk of 2X4 on my side.

that's exactly what I was thinking... now a broken bone and being smashed about makes me way more cautious
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

At one time I would have jumped right in. Help or not. Now I am not so sure. With age come slower reactions and lack of mobility. Now I would at least like a chunk of 2X4 on my side.

With a few spikes driven through it? -
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

I'm getting too old for this kind of crap, but I will never stand by and watch someone get beaten down. All it takes is one or two people to step up in a situation like this and the herd mentality turns from flight to fight.

I would'nt have hesitated in attempting to end the beating even if it mean't taking a few hits in the process. I'm baffled as to why those on the train or platform did nothing. Sh*t like this goes against everything I expect of mankind.

Hopefully this leads to Edmonton establishing (or expanding if they already have) a transit police force.
 

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