Mandatory Service.


CDNBear
#1
I know this will likely rattle a few cages, but none the less, here it is.

In Israel, the youth must serve at least one tour with the Isareli Defence Force.

I think this is a great idea. It should be addopted here in Canada.

I can tell you, that despite my run-in with the law after my two tours, I actually learned quite a bit in the Armed Forces. My issues that were present prior to, during and post my service, were more or less aggression issues. Something I eventually beat. I do believe, that had I not served. I would likely not have over come these issues and would have been a system sucker the rest of my life.

Further more, I think it not only benneficial to the youth of today, but also to the Nation who's teat they had been latched to, until that point. It instills things like self reliance, pride, ingenuity, improvisation, self-esteem, accountablity, respect and a strong work ethic.

I believe that it would stem the tide of violence, sloth, welfarism, un-accountablity and complacency in the youth of today. Thus helping to change Canada's laxadaisical attitude.

Am I wrong or right?
 
Kreskin
#2
Do you think a political party would survive if that was part of their platform?
 
EastSideScotian
#3
Iam going to dissagree, well the idea has good merit.

I dont think we should, we dont exactlly need to do that. People who go to university go....people who want to sit around and work a job, fine let them, we shouldnt make people dosomething they dont want to do. Thats My opinion anyway people should want to Join the MIllitary.
 
tracy
#4
I think it's pointless. I lived in the Czech Rep. where military service was mandatory. The boys I knew who went through it really didn't benefit from it and I don't see how the country benefitted at all. The military is meant to be a defense force, not some sort of social work project.

I know that sounds wierd coming from a bleeding heart like me...
 
CDNBear
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

Do you think a political party would survive if that was part of their platform?

Not likely, to many whimps in C eh N eh D eh. The opposition would plotz!
 
tracy
#6
Plus, I think it's kind of insulting to the military. It insinuates that anyone can be a soldier. I don't believe that.
 
Sassylassie
#7
What about Youths who are in conflict with the law getting the chance to do their soft time or joining a Cadet Program??? Some of these kids really only need structure and order, it would do them a world of good. It would of scared me straight, I hate taking orders.
 
EastSideScotian
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Sassylassie View Post

What about Youths who are in conflict with the law getting the chance to do their soft time or joining a Cadet Program??? Some of these kids really only need structure and order, it would do them a world of good. It would of scared me straight, I hate taking orders.

Did the Courts get rid of Millitary dutie rullings? I know they use to have it...they should bring that back for young offenders,18 to 22
 
LittleRunningGag
Free Thinker
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Not likely, to many whimps in C eh N eh D eh. The opposition would plotz!

I think that it is more that we respect human liberty too much to force people into a tramatic* (and potentially life threatening) job like that.


Quote: Originally Posted by SassieLassie

What about Youths who are in conflict with the law getting the chance to do their soft time or joining a Cadet Program??? Some of these kids really only need structure and order, it would do them a world of good. It would of scared me straight, I hate taking orders.

I think that is a fantastic idea. I'm always in favour of alternatives to the nauseatingly pathetic 'youth justice system.' Making that an alternative to jail time would do quite a bit of good.



* Before anyone jumps on this, remember that there is a reason why CFs do psych testing as an entrance requirement.
 
Dalreg
#10
It'll never fly. Guarranted there would be loop holes for certain elite people and their families. Or ways to buy your way out. In the end those with no political connections or money would be the only ones doing it.
 
CDNBear
#11
What if it was mandatory to serve our Nation, but voluntary to do active or combat service?
 
LittleRunningGag
Free Thinker
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

What if it was mandatory to serve our Nation, but voluntary to do active or combat service?


What did I say about liberty?
 
CDNBear
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by LittleRunningGag View Post

What did I say about liberty?

What did I say about paying back a country that grants you liberty and freedom.(leave it alone caracal,lol.)
 
thomaska
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Dalreg View Post

It'll never fly. Guarranted there would be loop holes for certain elite people and their families. Or ways to buy your way out. In the end those with no political connections or money would be the only ones doing it.

Not to mention that those of us who want to be here(at least in the U.S. military), really don't want the malcontents who don't want to be there to be around us.
 
CDNBear
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska View Post

Not to mention that those of us who want to be here(at least in the U.S. military), really don't want the malcontents who don't want to be there to be around us.

Ah, but I hold conscientious objecters, that sat in the grass right beside other Soldiers who fought, in high regards. They at least had the courage to both object and still not run away.

If you are talking about bitchers, about being there. Staff Sgt's have a way of fixing them.
 
tracy
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

What if it was mandatory to serve our Nation, but voluntary to do active or combat service?

Do you mean any kind of volunteer work? If so, that was required when I went to school already.
 
CDNBear
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by tracy View Post

Do you mean any kind of volunteer work? If so, that was required when I went to school already.

I'm not sure I know what you are asking here.
 
tracy
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

I'm not sure I know what you are asking here.

I mean when you say service of our nation, does that have to be some sort of military service or could it just be any type of volunteer work in a young person's own community?
 
CDNBear
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by tracy View Post

I mean when you say service of our nation, does that have to be some sort of military service or could it just be any type of volunteer work in a young person's own community?

Nope, I mean military Service, Army, Air Force or Navy.

I believe all 18 year olds should be made to give at least two years upon leaving High School to military service. I'm not sure if I would force them into combat situations. I would prefer to have someone willing to be there next to me, rather then someone that did not. So combat or Peace Keeping operations, could be voluntary. What do you think?
 
tracy
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Nope, I mean military Service, Army, Air Force or Navy.

I believe all 18 year olds should be made to give at least two years upon leaving High School to military service. I'm not sure if I would force them into combat situations. I would prefer to have someone willing to be there next to me, rather then someone that did not. So combat or Peace Keeping operations, could be voluntary. What do you think?

Like I said, I lived in a country that did that and I don't see the real benefit. For some people the military service can be a great thing, for others it is unecessary. 2 years is a long time when you're 18. If I had to do that, I wouldn't have been able to be an exchange student and I don't know if I would have gone into nursing or not considering how the waitlists skyrocketed (there were 3 candidates for every spot the year I applied, by the following year it was 6!). I turned out pretty normal without military service anyways.

Plus, how exactly do we pay for this? Are we going to take the money out of the little we already have to spend on the military?
 
LittleRunningGag
Free Thinker
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

What did I say about paying back a country that grants you liberty and freedom.(leave it alone caracal,lol.)

You don't see a contradiction there?

'... grants you liberty and freedom.'

How kind of it. I could have sworn that the point of liberty and freedom was to be free to do with yourself what you would. I don't remember reading anywhere that that involved state forced labour.
 
Sassylassie
#22
In my town we have a very Elite school, private, and it's students are from around the world but all students are required to join a Cadet Program it's not optional and it amazes me when I see the many faces of the Globe on special events parading down town. Their pride in being in Canada glows, it makes me wonder if we should offer these programs in High School? Not forced but optional?
 
LittleRunningGag
Free Thinker
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Sassylassie View Post

In my town we have a very Elite school, private, and it's students are from around the world but all students are required to join a Cadet Program it's not optional and it amazes me when I see the many faces of the Globe on special events parading down town. Their pride in being in Canada glows, it makes me wonder if we should offer these programs in High School? Not forced but optional?

We do. Its called Cadets. I had a few friends who were in them. Or do you mean, as a credit course?
 
Tonington
#24
I had a Law Enforcement class in High School ,where we did drill, and security, and Paintball!
 
the caracal kid
#25
as a society, we make things maditory as a way of shaping its future.

As we become more and more an intelligence/knowledge driven culture, perhaps we should start with manditory learning (in schools)?
 
Colpy
Conservative
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid View Post

as a society, we make things maditory as a way of shaping its future.

As we become more and more an intelligence/knowledge driven culture, perhaps we should start with manditory learning (in schools)?

Hey, I'm with you 100% on this one CK.............

Perhaps you should rethink your position?
 
sanctus
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

I believe that it would stem the tide of violence, sloth, welfarism, un-accountablity and complacency in the youth of today. Thus helping to change Canada's laxadaisical attitude.

Am I wrong or right?


Why would it have to be military service? Why couldn't we focus instead on better social programs to give youth the incentive to succeed?
 
sanctus
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid View Post

as a society, we make things maditory as a way of shaping its future.

As we become more and more an intelligence/knowledge driven culture, perhaps we should start with manditory learning (in schools)?


And on that line of thinking, find a way to make University and colleges free from the burden of tuitions for young people. Many countries not as wealthy as Canada realize the value of education for the young and are able somehow to open the Universites to their people without burdening them with tuition costs.
 
CDNBear
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus View Post

Why would it have to be military service? Why couldn't we focus instead on better social programs to give youth the incentive to succeed?

Our social safety BLANKET is big enough. "Get to work you lazy bums", should be a federal moto.
 
CDNBear
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by LittleRunningGag View Post

You don't see a contradiction there?

'... grants you liberty and freedom.'

How kind of it. I could have sworn that the point of liberty and freedom was to be free to do with yourself what you would. I don't remember reading anywhere that that involved state forced labour.

Liberty and freedom don not come cheap.
 

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