A fifth of European Union will be Muslim by 2050


Blackleaf
#1
A fifth of the population of the European Union, which currently stands at around 500 million, will be Muslim by 2050, an investigation by The Telegraph has revealed.

That's four times greater than the Muslim population of the EU now.

At the moment, only around 5 per cent of people in the EU's 27 Member States are Muslim.

The investigation also predicts that Britain will overtake Germany to beome the EU's most populous nation by 2060, with 77 million people. Germany's population is shrinking.

A fifth of European Union will be Muslim by 2050

Britain, Spain and Holland will have an even higher proportion of Muslims in a shorter amount of time, an investigation by The Telegraph shows.

By Adrian Michaels
08 Aug 2009
The Telegraph


On a hope and a prayer: lack of debate over influx of Muslims, some experts claim Photo: REUTERS

Last year, five per cent of the total population of the 27 EU countries was Muslim.

But rising levels of immigration from Muslim countries and low birth rates among Europe's indigenous population mean that, by 2050, the figure will be 20 per cent, according to forecasts.

Data gathered from various sources indicate that Britain, Spain and Holland will have an even higher proportion of Muslims in a shorter amount of time.


The UK, which currently has 20 million fewer people than Germany, is also projected to be the EU's most populous country by 2060, with 77 million people.

The findings have led to allegations that policy-makers are failing to confront the widespread challenges of the "demographic time bomb".

Experts say that there has been a lack of debate on how the population changes will affect areas of life from education and housing to foreign policy and pensions.

Although some polls have pointed to a lack of radicalisation in the Muslim community, little attention is being given to the integration of migrants, it is claimed, with fears of social unrest in years to come.

telegraph.co.uk
 
AnnaG
#2
Oh, well. Almost 100% of North America used to be aboriginal. Now we are perhaps 5% of the population.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

Oh, well. Almost 100% of North America used to be aboriginal. Now we are perhaps 5% of the population.

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Machjo
#4
Anna, Ironsides, Blackleaf; I have videos awaiting you here:

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Machjo
#5
To Blackleaf,

I believe that anyone who sincerely believes in freedom of religion will see nothing wrong with what religion dominates in society, since by definition a sincere belief in freedom of religion will oppose any kind of intervention to alter the religious demographics of society.
 
El Barto
#6
Strange tho Sabato i think his name is , predicted this , but it was through a war. Oh well , an invasion is an invasion just that religion is the weapon of choice here .
 
petros
#7
Quote:

A fifth of the population of the European Union, which currently stands at around 500 million, will be Muslim by 2050, an investigation by The Telegraph has revealed.

What will the other 80% be?
 
Machjo
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto View Post

Strange tho Sabato i think his name is , predicted this , but it was through a war. Oh well , an invasion is an invasion just that religion is the weapon of choice here .

No one is invading Europe. The Muslims in Europe are either legal immigrants, born there, or freely converted for the most part.
 
El Barto
#9
well will europe be 20 % german then or 20 % french ? do you get the delema?
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

What will the other 80% be?

piglets?
 
El Barto
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo View Post

No one is invading Europe. The Muslims in Europe are either legal immigrants, born there, or freely converted for the most part.

a matter of perspective
 
Machjo
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto View Post

a matter of perspective

What perspective? People are free to choose their religion, are they not?
 
El Barto
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo View Post

What perspective? People are free to choose their religion, are they not?

Yours is that you don't see it that way but to the Germans and the others that will become a minorty soon enough in their own country one day probably think so.
 
Machjo
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto View Post

Yours is that you don't see it that way but to the Germans and the others that will become a minorty soon enough in their own country one day probably think so.

I don't see how this would happen. For example, if 100% of Canadians converted to religion X, they'd still be Canadian. Nationality and religion are two different things.
 
El Barto
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo View Post

I don't see how this would happen. For example, if 100% of Canadians converted to religion X, they'd still be Canadian. Nationality and religion are two different things.

Tell that to the Germans and what not.
 
Machjo
#16
Now you mentioned Germans. Well, if the majority in Germany were Germans, and they all converted to Islam, they'd still all be German, wouldn't they? Or do you have to belive in a certain religion to be German, or Canadian, etc.?
 
El Barto
#17
just Culture never crossed your mind?
 
coldstream
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

What will the other 80% be?

Good point. You wouldn't call it Christian, its kind of this New Age Humanism/quasi Cosmo- Muffinism. On top of that they've given up on reproducing, it intrudes into the general Bliss, whereas Muslim families are having 8 kids. Islam will eat them alive. They'll be running the place, Sharia Law and all, by mid Century.
 
Machjo
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto View Post

just Culture never crossed your mind?

Of course culture would have to adapt, just as it had to adapt when the Christian Faith grew. But are we going to curtail religious freedoms to maintain the privilege of the majority population?

I think the UK has a nice balance. It has an established church (official state religion), the Anglican Faith, which is supposed to guide the moral behaviour of the monarch, the executive branch of government, as the Monarch is supposed to be Anglican. Yet, it doesn't interfere with freedom of religion at the grassroots. Why couldn't other European countries just adopt the British model? It would be a fine balance between maintaining the official status of the Christian Faith while still respecting personal freedom of religion and religious assembly.
 
petros
#20
Quote:

They'll be running the place, Sharia Law and all, by mid Century.

We've been under a mix of Sharia law, Hebrew law, Roman law and Napoleonic law for hundreds of years. There really isn't much difference. You can walk into your local bank and ask for a Sharia law account just like you can get a Kosher bank account. It is no big issue.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#21
Just gimmie that old time religion that old time religion
 
coldstream
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

We've been under a mix of Sharia law, Hebrew law, Roman law and Napoleonic law for hundreds of years. There really isn't much difference. You can walk into your local bank and ask for a Sharia law account just like you can get a Kosher bank account. It is no big issue.

All that is so except the Sharia Law bit. That is completely outside the linear development of Western jurisprudence. And there is a big difference, a complete reorientation of the social contract.
 
Machjo
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

All that is so except the Sharia Law bit. That is completely outside the linear development of Western jurisprudence. And there is a big difference, a complete reorientation of the social contract.

First off, you need to understand that there are various understandings of Shari'a. Secondly, society evolves.
 
coldstream
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo View Post

First off, you need to understand that there are various understandings of Shari'a. Secondly, society evolves.

And de volves..
 
ironsides
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#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo View Post

First off, you need to understand that there are various understandings of Shari'a. Secondly, society evolves.


As there is of the Bible. Society does evolve, but has it really evolved in the past 500 years in most of the Muslim nations. Gotten worse, gotten better, gotten worse etc.
 
Machjo
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

As there is of the Bible. Society does evolve, but has it really evolved in the past 500 years in most of the Muslim nations. Gotten worse, gotten better, gotten worse etc.

Who'se to say that European converts to Islam will understand Shari'a the same way as their Middle-Eastern counterparts?
 
Machjo
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

And de volves..

Growing pains.

So what's your advice? Anti-Muslim theocracy? If a person chooses to adopt a new Faith, what are we to do about it? Hang him? Torture him until he either recants or dies, whichever comes first? I don't think there's much we can do about it unless we intend to curtail freedom of religion.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo View Post

Who'se to say that European converts to Islam will understand Shari'a the same way as their Middle-Eastern counterparts?

We shall see, we are having some trouble here with some young kids who think there on jihads. Parents are just like anyone else, except for the way some dress you would never know the difference. Nothing we can do about what religion someone choses, as long as it does not affect your way of life.
 
Machjo
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

We shall see, we are having some trouble here with some young kids who think there on jihads. Parents are just like anyone else, except for the way some dress you would never know the difference. Nothing we can do about what religion someone choses, as long as it does not affect your way of life.

If they respect the law, I see no issue.
 
Machjo
#30
I've met converts too by the way, some to Islam, some from Islam. And I see nothing wrong with it at all. I'll admit though that I've had serious problems with fantics before, but I'm still not going to blame all Muslims for what certain persons did to me and my loved ones in the past.
 

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