WE really need to get rid of this guy


Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+2
#211
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

lol Trudean didn't select WE, the public service selected We.
Doesn't that mean that We had paid money to the public services mommy?

Is that what really happened, with Trudeau & Morneau not stepping back from this thing?
 
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Hoid
#212
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Is that what really happened, with Trudeau & Morneau not stepping back from this thing?

Apparently it is,

As if it matters.
 
Hoid
+1
#213
The only thing that matters is to attack Trudeau for any amount of political gain.
 
harrylee
Free Thinker
+3
#214
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

lol Trudean didn't select WE, the public service selected We.
Doesn't that mean that We had paid money to the public services mommy?

In other words he threw them under the bus
 
Hoid
+1
#215
Quote: Originally Posted by harrylee View Post

In other words he threw them under the bus

In other words the public service selected the We charity and informed the cabinet that it was We or nothing.

In retrospect it was WE and nothing - except for some small political gain for the opposition
 
Hoid
+1
#216
And as regards the gain - each opposition party has managed about a one point gains in the polls.

And that is important because nothing matters except attacking Trudeau for any amount of political gain.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+2
#217
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

In other words the public service selected the We charity and informed the cabinet that it was We or nothing.

In retrospect it was WE and nothing - except for some small political gain for the opposition

Is the public service sector saying that they selected WE over themselves as the only entity that could deal with this Program (?) http://psacunion.ca/why-government-c...c-service-jobs because it doesn't sound like it here (?) but this is so July 2nd, 2020.

PSAC is alarmed by the government’s unexpected decision to outsource administration of the Canada Student Service Grant (CSSG) program to the WE Charity. The administration of national programs is the responsibility of public service workers and they are specialized in that work. Moreover, the federal public service has extensive experience with administering a wide range of programs targeted at youth and students.

Since the pandemic began the federal public service has clearly demonstrated that it can implement newly announced government programs promptly and scale them up quickly. “Mr. Trudeau’s claim that WE Charity is the ‘only one’ that can administer the new grant program is not only factually wrong, it’s also insulting to our members,” said PSAC National President Chris Aylward. “PSAC members have worked hard to support the government’s rapidly evolving response to the pandemic and remain committed to continuing doing so.”

Keeping administration of the CSSG public would support accountability, oversight and proper handling of private applicant information. It would also ensure that the workers administering the grant are themselves compensated fairly.” PSAC calls on the government to fully explain how it reached its decision to contract out the CSSG to the WE Charity and commit to keeping the administration of all government programs public.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+2
#218
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

And as regards the gain - each opposition party has managed about a one point gains in the polls.

And that is important because nothing matters except attacking Trudeau for any amount of political gain.

Maybe this wasn't purely about political gain then. Perhaps this is just what it is, in that it's a finance committee & and ethics committee looking into the games and shenanigans surrounding this goat rodeo involving WE administering the CSSG bypassing Parliamentary over-site, instead of having the public service sector administer it without bypassing Parliamentary over-site?
 
Hoid
#219
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Is the public service sector saying that they selected WE over themselves as the only entity that could deal with this Program (?)

Yes.

In front of the entire cabinet.
 
Hoid
#220
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Maybe this wasn't purely about political gain then. Perhaps this is just what it is, in that it's a finance committee & and ethics committee looking into the games and shenanigans surrounding this goat rodeo involving WE administering the CSSG bypassing Parliamentary over-site, instead of having the public service sector administer it without bypassing Parliamentary over-site?

The public service cannot administer it.
 
Hoid
#221
Here is an interesting link describing how speaking fees are arrived at:
https://hbr.org/2018/05/how-much-sho...e-for-a-speech
Here’s a rule of thumb for appropriate pricing:
Newbie speakers might earn $500–$2,500 for a talk.
Beginning speakers, or those just establishing a brand with their first book, might earn $5,000–$10,000.
Those with several books and other forms of “social proof” might draw $10,000–$20,000.
Those who are very well-known in their field, such as best-selling authors, can bring in $20,000–$35,000 per talk.
Celebrities, of course, are in a different category altogether, and can command six- and even seven-figure speaking fees — but unfortunately, most of us don’t fall into that category.
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Trudeau's mommy got something like $250k for 28 events? (and remember she had to do all the shmoozing before and after the speech)
Less than $10K per events would put her at the lower end of what would be expected of someone with several books and extensive "social proof"
which jibes with what WE said about her being paid at the lower end of what they normally pay.
imagine that
Bill and Hillary are reported to have made about $153 million in speaking fees from 2001 to 2016
https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/polit...hes/index.html

Trudeau himself will be in the higher range
 
Hoid
#222
https://www.celebritytalent.net/samp...tephen-harper/

Here is Steven Harper advertising himself as a speaker during the time he was a back bencher after Trudeau destroyed him in the election.

His fee for US dates?

Min. $75,000 to $149,999
 
Mowich
Conservative
+1
#223
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Is the public service sector saying that they selected WE over themselves as the only entity that could deal with this Program (?) http://psacunion.ca/why-government-c...c-service-jobs because it doesn't sound like it here (?) but this is so July 2nd, 2020.

PSAC is alarmed by the government’s unexpected decision to outsource administration of the Canada Student Service Grant (CSSG) program to the WE Charity. The administration of national programs is the responsibility of public service workers and they are specialized in that work. Moreover, the federal public service has extensive experience with administering a wide range of programs targeted at youth and students.

Since the pandemic began the federal public service has clearly demonstrated that it can implement newly announced government programs promptly and scale them up quickly. “Mr. Trudeau’s claim that WE Charity is the ‘only one’ that can administer the new grant program is not only factually wrong, it’s also insulting to our members,” said PSAC National President Chris Aylward. “PSAC members have worked hard to support the government’s rapidly evolving response to the pandemic and remain committed to continuing doing so.”

Keeping administration of the CSSG public would support accountability, oversight and proper handling of private applicant information. It would also ensure that the workers administering the grant are themselves compensated fairly.” PSAC calls on the government to fully explain how it reached its decision to contract out the CSSG to the WE Charity and commit to keeping the administration of all government programs public.


Thanks for this, Ron. I've been all over the net trying to find the statement after hearing about it from the NDP MP during the Telford grilling. Public Sector employees 1 - Bus 0 It really surprises me that this is not being covered, Ron. I've yet to hear one single newscast cover the story. Then, maybe I just missed the one single broadcast that actually talked about it. Yeah, sure.
 
Hoid
+1
#224
Maybe they should make the public service administer a program they have said they cannot administer.

That would mean climate change is a hoax and only white people face discrimination, or something
 
Mowich
Conservative
+3
#225
Quote: Originally Posted by Durry View Post

Bill Morneau has to go, he is done like the turkey he is.
Besides being stupid and tone deaf, he has run the largest debt/deficit in Canadian history.


Chaggar and Telford should also be on the chopping block. Chaggar because she doesn't have the brains to think for herself. Telford, though she does have the brains, did not use them when she should have advised her dear leader to sit this one out. That's what seniors advisors do. She didn't.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+1
#226
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.celebritytalent.net/samp...tephen-harper/
Here is Steven Harper advertising himself as a speaker during the time he was a back bencher after Trudeau destroyed him in the election.
His fee for US dates?
Min. $75,000 to $149,999

Harper lost to Trudeau in 2015, then he left politics (gave up his House of Commons seat) in August of 2016. The LINK you posted is for the here & now, and has nothing to do with his timeframe in Parliament. I’ve looked & I can’t find anything to back up your claim, but maybe that’s just me. Do you have anything to back up your claim (?) that Harper was doing paid speaking engagements while he was still an PM as that would have been quite unethical....?
Last edited by Ron in Regina; Aug 2nd, 2020 at 08:37 AM..Reason: wrong 'here' used....
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+2
#227
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

In other words the public service selected the We charity and informed the cabinet that it was We or nothing.

In retrospect it was WE and nothing - except for some small political gain for the opposition

Yes Ms . Wernick (remember that name .) agrees to be thrown under for a senate appointment , cicvil service in Liberal Canadu.
 
Hoid
#228
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Harper lost to Trudeau in 2015, then he left politics (gave up his House of Commons seat) in August of 2016. The LINK you posted is for the hear & now, and has nothing to do with his timeframe in Parliament. I’ve looked & I can’t find anything to back up your claim, but maybe that’s just me. Do you have anything to back up your claim (?) that Harper was doing paid speaking engagements while he was still an PM as that would have been quite unethical....?

Stephen Harper Booking Agency Profile
Book Stephen Harper for your next corporate event, function, or private party.Stephen Harper is a Canadian politician and member of Parliament who served as the 22nd Prime Minister of Canada for nine years. He was the first prime minister in history to come from the modern Conservative Party of Canada. Harper has been the member of parliament for the riding of Calgary Heritage in Alberta for fourteen years and counting. Previously, he was the MP for Calgary West, representing the Reform Party of Canada. Harper is now an opposition backbench member of parliament..
 
gerryh
+3
#229
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Stephen Harper Booking Agency Profile
Book Stephen Harper for your next corporate event, function, or private party.Stephen Harper is a Canadian politician and member of Parliament who served as the 22nd Prime Minister of Canada for nine years. He was the first prime minister in history to come from the modern Conservative Party of Canada. Harper has been the member of parliament for the riding of Calgary Heritage in Alberta for fourteen years and counting. Previously, he was the MP for Calgary West, representing the Reform Party of Canada. Harper is now an opposition backbench member of parliament..

Ron, Wasnt it nice of him to prove your contention that Harper was not PM when he offered himself for speaking engagements?
 
petros
+3
#230
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

It has been highly entertaining Ron.........getting to watch those two squirming in their chairs,

Body language shows they are guilty or really have to take a shit. Did either lift a cheek to squeak out a pressure fart? Not that I saw. That leaves guilt.
 
DaSleeper
+3
#231
Poor hoid is certainly suffering from white guilt syndrome on top of being a lemming for climate change!
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+3
#232
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The only thing that matters is to attack Trudeau for any amount of political gain.


The only thing that matters is that if we allow politicians to get away with bullshit like this we are screwing ourselves. There has to be a minimum standard and this idiot isn't even trying to make the grade.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+2
#233
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Maybe they should make the public service administer a program they have said they cannot administer.

That would mean climate change is a hoax and only white people face discrimination, or something

The Public Service DIDN'T say they can't administer this program:
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Is the public service sector saying that they selected WE over themselves as the only entity that could deal with this Program (?) http://psacunion.ca/why-government-c...c-service-jobs because it doesn't sound like it here (?) but this is so July 2nd, 2020.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Yes.

In front of the entire cabinet.

Please point out the "Public Service Sector" in the below picture that stated that they 'couldn't administer' the CSSG Program in front of the entire cabinet please:



Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

PSAC is alarmed by the government’s unexpected decision to outsource administration of the Canada Student Service Grant (CSSG) program to the WE Charity. The administration of national programs is the responsibility of public service workers and they are specialized in that work. Moreover, the federal public service has extensive experience with administering a wide range of programs targeted at youth and students.

Since the pandemic began the federal public service has clearly demonstrated that it can implement newly announced government programs promptly and scale them up quickly. “ Mr. Trudeau’s claim that WE Charity is theonly one’ that can administer the new grant program is not only factually wrong, it’s also insulting to our members ,” said PSAC National President Chris Aylward. “PSAC members have worked hard to support the government’s rapidly evolving response to the pandemic and remain committed to continuing doing so.”

  1. Keeping administration of the CSSG public would support accountability, oversight and proper handling of private applicant information. It would also ensure that the workers administering the grant are themselves compensated fairly.” PSAC calls on the government to fully explain how it reached its decision to contract out the CSSG to the WE Charity and commit to keeping the administration of all government programs public . This doesn't sound like they're claiming they couldn't administer this program.

  1. The claim of " WE Charity is theonly one’ that can administer the new grant program" seems to trace back to a 'Rachel Warnick' (the sister of Micheal Warnick from the SNC Scandal) who is the 'Senior Deputy Misister of the Department of Employment & Social Development Canada' and then that was carried forward as if it was a fact by Chagger and then Trudeau as if it was a fact issued by the Public Service which it never was.
  2. Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

    Maybe they should make the public service administer a program they have said they cannot administer.

    That would mean climate change is a hoax and only white people face discrimination, or something

    Or something indeed.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+2
#234
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.celebritytalent.net/samp...tephen-harper/

Here is Steven Harper advertising himself as a speaker during the time he was a back bencher after Trudeau destroyed him in the election.

His fee for US dates?

Min. $75,000 to $149,999

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Harper lost to Trudeau in 2015, then he left politics (gave up his House of Commons seat) in August of 2016. The LINK you posted is for the here & now, and has nothing to do with his timeframe in Parliament. I’ve looked & I can’t find anything to back up your claim, but maybe that’s just me. Do you have anything to back up your claim (?) that Harper was doing paid speaking engagements while he was still an PM as that would have been quite unethical....?

Here's the only sitting MP (PM or or just sitting MP) that I can find that charged speaking fee's (to charities or other groups): http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/justi...aise-1.1327704
(Trudeau was elected for the first time in the 2008 federal election. He was the nominee for the Liberal Party in the electoral area of Papineau) In his comments Sunday, Trudeau said he wants to maintain the high level of transparency that Canadians expect of him. “I’m willing to pay all the money back, if that’s what it comes to,” Trudeau said during an interview with CTV’s Question Period. Then an apology, then once he becomes the leader of the liberal party & eventually the PM, the moneys go to his family members instead in the spirit of transparency.
 
Hoid
#235
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

The only thing that matters is that if we allow politicians to get away with bullshit like this we are screwing ourselves. There has to be a minimum standard and this idiot isn't even trying to make the grade.

Bullshit like this.

A good way to put it
 
Hoid
#236
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Here's the only sitting MP (PM or or just sitting MP) that I can find that charged speaking fee's (to charities or other groups): http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/justi...aise-1.1327704
(Trudeau was elected for the first time in the 2008 federal election. He was the nominee for the Liberal Party in the electoral area of Papineau) In his comments Sunday, Trudeau said he wants to maintain the high level of transparency that Canadians expect of him. “I’m willing to pay all the money back, if that’s what it comes to,” Trudeau said during an interview with CTV’s Question Period. Then an apology, then once he becomes the leader of the liberal party & eventually the PM, the moneys go to his family members instead in the spirit of transparency.

Ron, politicians get paid to speak.
WTF is wrong with you?
 
Hoid
#237
Chrystia Freeland: ‘Everyone In Cabinet’ Bears Responsibility For WE Charity Controversy

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...C9mgLwSf27WIRI
 
petros
+2
#238
There is an admission of guilt if ever there was one.

"We are all corrupt."

That narrows it down.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+3
#239
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.celebritytalent.net/samp...tephen-harper/

Here is Steven Harper advertising himself as a speaker during the time he was a back bencher after Trudeau destroyed him in the election.

39.5% Oh yeah, real destruction.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

His fee for US dates?

Min. $75,000 to $149,999

Oooo nice whataboutism. To bad it's got f*ck all to do with Groper's corruption and complete lack of ethics. Hmmm I seem to recall during the run up to the 2015 election Prince Groper promising a more open and transparent govt. Funny how that campaign promise being shattered to hell isn't an issue for you, even though in the very recent past you have placed GREAT importance on promises made during a campaign.


And to think the Liberals and their ass-sucking sycophants pissed and moaned about a $16 glass dollar orange juice.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+2
#240
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Ron, politicians get paid to speak.
WTF is wrong with you?

Politicians get paid to speak to the public with publicly funded tax dollars. It's their salary.

Politicians getting paid to speak by private groups & charities while still sitting politicians collecting their public salary is a different animal all together, but I think we both know that.

Politicians accepting gifts or funding to their friends, family, or themselves to speak by private groups & charities is beyond anything that might be a 'grey area,' & Politicians accepting gifts or funding to their friends, family, or themselves that influence their decisions in spending public moneys would be a criminal matter at best.