Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
You did, even when the same question was asked again you just ignore it. For claiming to belong to the most informed collective that has ever walked the face of the earth you are very wrong in all your conclusions and your are the rudest fukers I have ever encountered. That is a common trait with liars of all stripes. Overblown egos are fair game if I am going to get insulted for having an opinion, yet alone an informed one. You and Dex should start a thread to show me how 2 civilized gentlemen discuss theoretical subjects.
Nor Am was split into three land masses by shallow seas (origins of W Canadian oil, gas and potash) and left a stratigraphical column of layers comprised of limestone and shale followed by swamp that piled up millions of years of biomass that was compressed into coal after being covered by more layers of sedimentary rock.
Let's stick with Alberta for the coal part as that was a shallow sea, which is what a swamp is, and the water from the GOM to Hudson Bay was about 2,000 ft deep. Why would the plant material that fell to the bottom of the swamp and the die not completely rot as it lay in the same places where limestone was created. It certainly does that in any lake around today, when it dies above the water it becomes black dirt and then into clay as it ages.
You version has plant matter dying but nit rotting for a few million years and then a few more years for rock to cover it when you do not explain even where the rock material came from.
Between the 2 coasts we have today or on a global scale?? When you have two mountain ranges near both coasts and lowland in between the zones have been established.
Are you saying the age of the sea-floor map is bogus??
I'm always reality based, that doesn't mesh well with a collective that runs on lies and misinformation does it??
'Your kind' pushes the same diameter, today the ocean level would have to be raised 2,000ft to get water to where it is on your map. Where is the water today? 500M sq km today is 75% of the surface of the globe and 2,000ft rise would take about 50% more of the land.
The trees and animals on both coasts are different, the west is the same as China and the east is the same as Europe on an expanding earth model. Your version has 1/2 of Pangaea being underwater and no explanation for 2,000ft being accumulated just on the land and zero on the rest of the sea-floor.
The coal in the east is above your water-line so revamp your theory and come back when it is something other than fiction, . . .
Our coal is above the waterline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations LIE-beral LIARS for having used massive piles of B.S. to BLOCK the view of honest issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like the fact that the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade tax is nothing but a MAJOR GRAVY GRAB so LIE-berals can BUY the votes of civil service union Hogs and illegals, and Black Lives Matter bigots, and drunken natives of Idle No More!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrautlations for temporarily having steered your side of the debate AWAY from the TOTAL FAILURE of the Paris Accord AND the carbon crap and trade scam to do anything but pull cash out of wallets and leave the dirt in the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations LIE-berals on being TOTAL FAILURES on multiple fronts as your delusional and wildly selfish world views come crashing down in RUBBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The climate goals Our idiot Boy Justin and his loser LIE-berals are seeking are ENTIRELY OUT OF REACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless of course LIE-berals chose to do to ALL OF CANADA exactly what they are doing to the Alberta economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-beral policy- if taken to its logical conclusions will DESTROY our economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is a nice article proving yet again that Our brainless Boy prime minster Trudope is talking through his hat on climate change issues! With some comments of my own in brackets):
Trudeau’s magical, mystery climate plan! By Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun
First posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 06:02 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 06:12 PM EDT
Canada’s approach to “fighting” climate change is based on magical thinking.
Consider: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced to much fanfare that he is going to ratify the Paris climate treaty.
In doing so, he has pledged to lower our industrial greenhouse gas emissions linked to climate change to the same levels as former prime minister Stephen Harper promised, back when the Liberals called Harper a climate denier.
Trudeau is never going to achieve Harper’s targets -- 17% below 2005 levels by 2020, 30% below by 2030 -- because our current level of technology makes it impossible to do so without causing a massive recession.
(I say the ONLY way to make such massive cuts is to FORBID us to use some of our technology and no democratic govt can simply order you not to heat your house or drive your car or operate your business! Govt hope for carbon reduction MUST have the support of the majority of Cdns if there is to be success in the long term!)
Harper was never going to achieve Harper’s targets.
In fact, no Canadian prime minister going back to Brian Mulroney, through Jean Chretien, Paul Martin, Harper and, as we shall soon see, Trudeau, has ever come close to meeting his promised emission cuts, which keep getting watered down even though they’re still impossible to meet today.
But even if every nation on Earth, including Canada, fulfilled its emission cuts submitted to the UN -- also impossible -- all the Paris treaty would do, according to climate scientists, is lock the world into dangerous global warming, far above the 1.5C to 2C threshold they say is the upper limit.
If Canada, or any country, fails to achieve its emission targets under the Paris treaty, nothing happens.
The treaty has no mandatory deadlines or penalties for failing to reach these targets.
(All the Carbon Crap and Trade deals being set up by govts have NOTHING to do with environment and they have EVERYTHING to do with fueling that rich govt gravy train! It`s not a CARBON PLAN Our brainless Boy is crafting-it`s a GET RICH QUICK PENSION SCAM for the benefit of civil servants!)
All the Paris treaty requires is that countries report their targets and progress made towards achieving them, but there is no penalty if they don’t.
(Its just like the not so reliable reporting on the performance of the Greek economy- shortly before it fell into a death spiral! Paris Accord numbers will be no more reliable than Greek govt bonds!)
Trudeau and Climate Change Minister Catherine McKenna say they are going to establish a national carbon price following negotiations with the provinces.
But even if they succeed in bringing in a national carbon price of, say, $30 a tonne, the level of B.C.’s carbon tax and the highest in the country at present, emissions will be virtually untouched.
(IN fact the BIGGEST carbon producers will continue as if nothing has changed! Corporations are all making plans to DEMAND exemptions from govt-this is why European Carbon crap deals have not cleared their air! So either govt will EXEMPT companies or watch as jobs and revenue will LEAVE CANADA-this is one main reason why General Motors has not yet committed to any new production at their Oshawa Plant-in spite of that plant consistently having the highest quality workmanship in North America! GM is waiting to see how stupid Our Boy and the Wynne-bag will be over carbon `deals`.)
The B.C. government itself says its revenue neutral carbon tax, widely praised as one of the best in the world, is only going to reduce B.C.’s emissions by three megatonnes (Mt) annually by 2020.
By contrast, if Trudeau is to make good on Harper’s target for 2020, which is now his target, Canada will have to reduce its emissions by 146 Mt.
That’s the equivalent of shutting down Canada’s electricity sector, which emits 78.2 Mt of GHG annually, along with most of the agriculture sector, which emits 72.9 Mt of GHG annually, in less than five years.
Canada would need a carbon tax of at least $150-per-tonne to achieve these kinds of emission cuts that quickly, which would destroy our economy.
(And such costs would result in a revolution with LIE-beral knuckleheads thrown out of office!)
The only way to achieve cuts at the level and speed the Trudeau government is promising would be through a revenue neutral scheme called carbon fee and dividend, in which every dollar the government imposes in carbon taxes is returned to the public through equal, monthly, dividend cheques.
(And as we know that revenue neutral approach will NOT fly for LIE-berals as their party policy DEMANDS they supply massive new buckets of gravy for civil service Hogs. For LIE-berals-no new flow of gravy equals election DEFEAT as Hogs seek out better deals with other parties! Besides which a `revenue neutral` deal will STILL CAUSE massive upheaval! Its all very well to offer govt cash to people who will park their car and take transit- but the existing transit is already OVERLOADED at peak hours! With NO practical govt plan in sight to build MORE!)
But our politicians aren’t going to do that because it wouldn’t increase government revenues, which is their real aim, as opposed to reducing emissions.
What Trudeau’s carbon pricing scheme will actually become is a permanent sin tax imposed on Canadians, punishing them for the sin of using fossil fuel energy, which will swell government revenues by billions of dollars annually but do nothing to reduce emissions. That’s what happened in Europe and it’s exactly what’s going to happen here.
(Govt has not crafted an environmental plan-what they have created is ONLY A HOG PENSION PLAN!)
(If govt was serious about the environment, their quickest and easiest way to clear the air is to cut back on Hog gravy-AND balance the budget and stop piling up economy killing debt in the process!)
(In the NINE MONTHS after 9/11 World Trade Centre attack, during which time 25 percent of the worlds airliners were grounded, there WAS MEASURABLE IMPROVEMENT in air quality!)
(If ALL the pollution from transportation-that means planes, trains, ships, buses. trucks-whether hauling cargo or people is added up-75-85 percent of ALL pollution produced by transportation was spewed out by air planes. Air trave; is the DIRTIEST WAY to go!)
(Over a decade ago LIE-beral Dalton McGinty mused: “its time for govt-meaning LIE-berals-to start picking economic winners and losers in Ontari-owe. He omitted the part about LIE-berals picking environmental winners and losers! WE need to heat our homes, need to heat our hospitals, schools and businesses.)
(The woman who drives her car to late shift work because she does not feel safe on public transit is TWICE a sinner! First, she drives the filthy car instead of taking transit. Second she INSULTS LIE-beral minded `hug a thug` judges running the legal system for so called public benefit! While judges also deliberately misrepresent the scale of crime!)
(What LIE-beral hug a thug judges won’ admit is the amount of plea bargaining that goes on-how major crimes become minor and the minor become forgotten and thus its ever easier to parole THUGS who would have seen serious jail time for their sins only a couple of decades ago. LIE-berals REFUSE to track crime honestly but they will now seek to fiscally punish a woman who damages THEIR environment by driving a car to work so she can feel safe!)
(Or the person in the small Ontari-owe town who MUST have a car because there is No public transit. No matter that the person was born there, nor that they retired there to save a few pennies and certainly no matter that the only job they could get is in that small town! Those small town hicks are driving cars and in LIE-beral eyes, they are EVIL and MUST pay the price. And it’s no skin off LIE-beral noses that small town types don’t vote LIE-beral anyway-so screw them twice!)
(What of your old granny who drives her car to get her groceries and run her errands and visit her friends? LIE-berals say SCREW HER TOO-there are busses for her to use-or taxis! Too bad if govt solutions are inconvenient or too slow to suit your Granny!)
(LIE-berals NEED more gravy to please their Hog supporters and ordinary people MUST PAY. LIE-berals don’t care that the Hog gravy will be used for airline tickets-the dirty way to see the world! Don’t care that gravy will be used to fuel up motorboats ripping for miles along Trent/Severn Waterways with twin 600 HP diesel engines spewing smog for Hog amusement. Don’t care about the riding lawn mowers driven by `Sunshine List`Hogs on their multi acre estates that spew out more dirt in 5 minutes than the car Granny has been driving on the highway for an hour. Don’t care about the Muskoka `bubble systems` used to protect Hog docks from ice damage in winter-LIE-berals see no irony in using public money for ads to exhort us to save electricity while IGNORING those electrically powered bubble systems that are simply a CONVENIENCE for HOGS. Don’t care that Hogs will use their gravy to heat SECOND homes-the recreational ones in Muskoka while LIE-berals fret over what ordinary people do with their share of fossil fuels! Don’t care that Hog gravy will be used to operate a plethora of gas guzzling toys for Hog amusement while the rest of us wrestle with energy poverty! LIE-berals HAVE THEIR priorities!)