The Guardian: Occupy was right: capitalism has failed the world


Tecumsehsbones
#61
Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington View Post

As opposed to not good science...all that matters is that the methods and analysis are appropriate, and that the conclusions follow from the results.

You're the one trying to paint it as the science of one group-green beans- versus another-corporations. I'm the scientist telling you it's a false dilemma.

Umm. . . Ton? It's false dichotomy. Sorry.

Edited to add:

You're usually spot-on, so I checked. It's false dichotomy OR false dilemma, both acceptable. That's better.
 
petros
+1
#62
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Logical fallacy?

What kind of elitist ivory tower nonsense you spewin' Tonn?

Spewing is correct.

Sherman, you and Mr. Peabody haven't got a clue between the two of you.
 
mentalfloss
#63
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Spewing is correct.

Sherman, you and Mr. Peabody haven't got a clue between the two of you.

Aren't you the one that said we are currently in an ice age?
 
petros
+1
#64
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Aren't you the one that said we are currently in an ice age?

We are indeed. You never knew that? When all the polar and alpine glaciers are gone, then and only then can you say we're out of the ice age.

How is that polar melting coming along? Ice free by 2013¿

No f-cking clue whatsoever.

Interglacial
An interglacial period is a geological interval of warmer global average temperature lasting thousands of years that separates consecutive glacial periods within an ice age
 
mentalfloss
#65
Yes, interglacial.

And just because we are in an interglacial period does not mean that is the reason for the warming.
 
petros
#66
In the midst of an ice age.

Do you know the name of our ice age or will that be news to you too?
 
mentalfloss
#67
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

In the midst of an ice age.

Do you know the name of our ice age or will that be news to you too?

If I said no would it give you an epeen?
 
petros
#68
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post


And just because we are in an interglacial period does not mean that is the reason for the warming.

WTF? Did you think about that at all before posting it?


Clueless
 
mentalfloss
#69
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

WTF? Did you think about that at all before posting it?


Clueless

Okay well I can't help you if you've given up entirely.
 
petros
#70
Help with what?
 
Tonington
+1
#71
A group of Duke investors push to out directors
About 39,000 tons of ash spilled Feb. 2 from a pond at a shuttered coal-fired power plant near Eden, N.C., triggering investigations and subpoenas. The incident, the third-largest coal-ash spill in the U.S., coated 70 miles of the Dan River, according to the letter.

Shares of Duke Energy, the predominant utility serving Greater Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky, have become the worst performer on the 13-company Standard & Poor’s 500 Electric Utility Index since the spill became public. Shares closed Tuesday at $72.81, up 74 cents on the day.

A federal grand jury is probing North Carolina’s oversight of the company’s 33 coal-ash ponds in that state. Gov. Pat McCrory, a former Duke employee, has asked the company to remove coal from riverbanks to prevent a recurrence.

The state regulator, the Department of Environmental and Natural Resources, last month cited Duke for violating pollution permits when it pumped 61 million gallons of coal-ash pond wastewater into a tributary of the Cape Fear River. The state is also seeking to revive lawsuits filed last year over pollution from ponds at two plants. Duke has denied the permit violations.
Yep, another example of capitalists improving the land and water! Though in this case some investors are responding, which should please the Occupiers

Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Umm. . . Ton? It's false dichotomy. Sorry.

Edited to add:

You're usually spot-on, so I checked. It's false dichotomy OR false dilemma, both acceptable. That's better.

Yes, many names for it, which is unhelpful!
 
petros
#72
What is a "pollution permit" and why does it effect the bottom line?

Is it part of the carbon credit scam?
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#73
Capitalism has not failed the world.
 
petros
#74
Serf's up!
 
Tonington
+1
#75
Federal regulators fine GM $7,000 a day - Fortune Features
Federal regulators have fined General Motors $28,000 -- a total that will grow $7,000 with each passing day -- over its failure to answer questions about its ignition switch recall.

GM had until April 3 to answer 107 questions related to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's investigation into why it took the automaker more than a decade to reveal an ignition switch defect that has been linked to 13 deaths.

The $7,000-a-day fine will continue until the company responds to all questions, the NHTSA said. The federal agency may ask the U.S. Department of Justice to take civil action to compel the automaker to respond. The automaker could face a maximum penalty of $35 million in civil fines for failing to respond fully or truthfully, according to details in NHTSA's original special order of investigation to GM.

In February, the automaker issued a recall of the 2005 to 2007 model year Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac G5 and Pontiac Pursuit as well as 2003 to 2007 Saturn Ions, 2006 to 2007 Chevrolet HHRs and 2006 to 2007 Pontiac Solstice and 2007 Saturn Sky models. The recall was later expanded to include all model years, affecting about 2.6 million cars worldwide.
Honest mistake right, to wait more than a decade to reveal a failure? It surely can't be because the cost of recalls would have been bigger than the cost of settlements? Was someone prattling on about the bottom line earlier?
 
mentalfloss
#76
To wait more than a decade to reveal a failure that actually killed people.

Happy Capitalism!
 
Tecumsehsbones
#77
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

To wait more than a decade to reveal a failure that actually killed people.

Happy Capitalism!

Good thing communism never killed people.
 
mentalfloss
#78
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Good thing communism never killed people.

Good thing I never said I support Communism.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
+1
#79
Ship! I thought people kill people. And, now I hear it is economic theory.
 
mentalfloss
+1
#80
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Ship! I thought people kill people. And, now I hear it is economic theory.

It becomes a problem when reaping a profit can lead to significant harm to others.

Good legislation fixes that problem.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#81
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Good thing I never said I support Communism.

Well, if you're going to attack capitalism, you presumably favour some other economic system. What's your pleasure? Socialism? Feudalism?
 
mentalfloss
#82
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Well, if you're going to attack capitalism, you presumably favour some other economic system.

Well there's where you're presumably wrong.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#83
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Well there's where you're presumably wrong.

So, you favour no economic system at all?
 
mentalfloss
#84
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

So, you favour no economic system at all?

I'm in favour of whatever works best.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#85
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

I'm in favour of whatever works best.

From what you say in Post #80, it appears you favour regulated capitalism. But your earlier statement attacked capitalism.

When you figure out what you favour, I'd be interested.
 
mentalfloss
#86
I said Happy Capitalism just as a cynical expression. It was just to point out where there are deficiencies.

I think we can all agree that changes need to be made when profits lead to unnecessary deaths.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#87
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

I said Happy Capitalism just as a cynical expression. It was just to point out where there are deficiencies.

Ah.

"Your focus needs more focus."
--Jackie Chan, The Karate Kid
 
mentalfloss
#88
Yes well it fits quite nicely into the utilitarian dogma if you want a bit more focus on that lens.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#89
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Yes well it fits quite nicely into the utilitarian dogma if you want a bit more focus on that lens.

Not fond of utilitarian dogma.
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
#90
... But it's so, utilitarian, goes with almost anything you wear