Electricity rates in Ontario to rise again May 1


lone wolf
Free Thinker
#31
It boils down to they have the monopoly and the law on their side so they're going to screw us unhampered by any morals or ethics
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

It boils down to they have the monopoly and the law on their side so they're going to screw us unhampered by any morals or ethics

There aren't enough lamp posts to string up the ones that need to GO.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Most people could probably live quite well without 60% it!

It always amuses me when there is a discussion of power use some imbecile has to bring up the use of the computer. If you really want to attack power usage consider the electric range, the toaster, the clothes dryer, the hot water heater, the hot tub, the block heater on your vehicle, the washing machine, the air conditioner. What also baffles me is the number of people I see sitting in the house in winter wearing a T-shirt while the heat is cranked up. Wearing a wool shirt or sweater is much more economical.

The computer is a luxury you can live without before hot water, means of cooking, means of home heating or cooling. And one should not have to wear a parka in ones house to feel comfortable. But to suggest anybody could or should live without it (power) is the suggestion of an idiot ... particularly if said idiot is obviously not practicing what he is preaching.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

The computer is a luxury you can live without before hot water, means of cooking, means of home heating or cooling. And one should not have to wear a parka in ones house to feel comfortable. But to suggest anybody could or should live without it (power) is the suggestion of an idiot ... particularly if said idiot is obviously not practicing what he is preaching.


Who said without power? Who recommended wearing a parka in the house? The few cents I spend a month on power for the computer is more than repaid just by the number of bank transactions that save me burning gas having to go to the bank or time spent tied up on the phone.
 
mentalfloss
#35
Guys, this last increase is entirely because of a private company needing profit.

And it's only $3 a month.

How cheap are you guys?


And why am I the one favouring a private entity here when you guys are the right wingers lol


Basically, the solution to the problem that you guys want is to have a carbon pricing model because then the rates will actually change to benefit consumers with lower usage.
 
petros
+1
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

All business prefer certainty despite higher costs.

Certainty they'll skip hiring new employees or grow their businesses?

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Guys, this last increase is entirely because of a private company needing profit.

And it's only $3 a month.

How cheap are you guys?


And why am I the one favouring a private entity here when you guys are the right wingers lol


Basically, the solution to the problem that you guys want is to have a carbon pricing model because then the rates will actually change to benefit consumers with lower usage.

$3 to shmucks or $3 to business?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+1
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Guys, this last increase is entirely because of a private company needing profit.

And it's only $3 a month.

How cheap are you guys?


And why am I the one favouring a private entity here when you guys are the right wingers lol

You mean the private entity which used to be in the public hands until it was sold off to make the current government's deficit seem less shocking?

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Basically, the solution to the problem that you guys want is to have a carbon pricing model because then the rates will actually change to benefit consumers with lower usage.

LOL You really are a few cards short of a deck aren't you!
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
+1
#38
What a surprise

Use less, electricity, so that we can charge you the same for less. Environmentalist rejoice everywhere!!!
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#39
Metered people are pathetic.make your own fool, all you need is trees

If you pooled next months power bills and bought some armor you could crush your local utilities. no more bills! did you get an education? why do I always have to explain things to you?
 
mentalfloss
-1
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

You mean the private entity which used to be in the public hands until it was sold off to make the current government's deficit seem less shocking?

Yes, that's the one.

The Liberals still retain some right wing measures and selling off Hydro One is certainly an example of that.

For now, the quantum of additional cost is still nothing to get aggravated over but yes, the private sector depends on profit so prices will go up.

The reason for carbon pricing is to legitimately incentivise conserving but this is what you get when there is no cap on emissions.
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
+3
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Yes, that's the one.

The Liberals still retain some right wing measures and selling off Hydro One is certainly an example of that.

For now, the quantum of additional cost is still nothing to get aggravated over but yes, the private sector depends on profit so prices will go up.

The reason for carbon pricing is to legitimately incentivise conserving but this is what you get when there is no cap on emissions.

You missed the mark yet again bud.

The private sector is attracted to gvt utilities because of the highly profitable opportunity to increase the profit margins by simply carving out the graft and fat in those entities.

In this case, prices are going up as a result of the Lib Party's failed policy of subsidizing the electricity market in Ontario
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+2
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

The reason for carbon pricing is to legitimately incentivise conserving but this is what you get when there is no cap on emissions.

So you think that by placing a cap on the supply the price will decrease? I am not following this logic.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
+3
#43
Someone's got his think-like-wynne hat on again - so the illogic's coming out all spinny
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+1
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Someone's got his think-like-wynne hat on again - so the illogic's coming out all spinny

I guess that's my problem, My think-like-wynne hat is in the laundry.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+3
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Yes, that's the one.

The Liberals still retain some right wing measures and selling off Hydro One is certainly an example of that.

No, it's not. When the PCs announced the idea of selling off Hydro One, the Libtards howled in outrage over it. Various experts said it was a terrible idea and so the PCs dropped the idea. Yet in spite of all that, the LPO already had their own plan to sell off Hydro One if and when they got elected.
Just another example of how duplicitous the LPO actually is. And it's quite the convoluted plan. Waste a bunch of money on useless windmills, artificially crank up the hydro rates to make it more profitable and then sell it off, all so Toronto can get some new buses.
Sadly, the first two share offerings will recoup only the cost of the gas plant scandal ($1 billion) and that drug riddled, third rate athletic competition called the Pan-Am games ($2.5 billion) That $3.5 billion could have gone a long way towards the plan for Toronto's transit without screwing the taxpayer.


And let's not forget that the $3/mo increase is only the first increase of the year. There was an increase in rates in the last quarter of last year and there'll be another increase in the last quarter this year.


Ontario has definitely proven one thing though, conserving on hydro use actually leads to more expensive hydro rates. So why are we conserving? According to the latest govt bullsh*t ad, ever since the last coal fired plant was shut down, the OPG's power supply is 99.7% emissions free. If our supply is now based on wind, hydroelectric and nuclear, then there's really no need to conserve on hydro use since wind blows freely (when it's blowing) and water flows freely, and nuclear produces huge amounts of power.
Of course it doesn't matter now. The rates are up there and that's where they're going to stay. All because the idiots in this province keep electing incompetent tits to run the circus.
 
Ludlow
No Party Affiliation
#46
Hey awhile back you complainers were whining about the raw sewage in some river over thar why not take that poopie and make use of that methane to power your electric plants hell it already stanks over there like someones butt might as well get the lights on while your sniffin the pooh.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
+1
#47
Good idea.... Do you have a way to make poopy water flow uphill without using expensive electricity?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

What a surprise

Use less, electricity, so that we can charge you the same for less. Environmentalist rejoice everywhere!!!

That is another thing BC hydro did to steal from customers. Normally the more of a product you buy the lower the unit cost. Not with electricity, there is a base rate and when you use over that amount the unit price goes up not down. Supposed to encourage conservation or some such because for a decade electricery price was kept low to buy votes and no maintenance or new supplies were brought on line. 15 years later we are still paying for this socialist blunder. In reality it inhibits growth.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Yes, that's the one.

The Liberals still retain some right wing measures and selling off Hydro One is certainly an example of that.

For now, the quantum of additional cost is still nothing to get aggravated over but yes, the private sector depends on profit so prices will go up.

The reason for carbon pricing is to legitimately incentivise conserving but this is what you get when there is no cap on emissions.

What does carbo pricing have to do with electricity that is generated by water?
 
Ludlow
No Party Affiliation
+1
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Good idea.... Do you have a way to make poopy water flow uphill without using expensive electricity?

light a match
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#50
Apparently you gotta study up on methane ... or avoid smoking
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Apparently you gotta study up on methane ... or avoid smoking

Being in a confined space with methane can get one a bit loopy.
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

No, it's not. When the PCs announced the idea of selling off Hydro One, the Libtards howled in outrage over it. Various experts said it was a terrible idea and so the PCs dropped the idea. Yet in spite of all that, the LPO already had their own plan to sell off Hydro One if and when they got elected.
Just another example of how duplicitous the LPO actually is. And it's quite the convoluted plan. Waste a bunch of money on useless windmills, artificially crank up the hydro rates to make it more profitable and then sell it off, all so Toronto can get some new buses.
Sadly, the first two share offerings will recoup only the cost of the gas plant scandal ($1 billion) and that drug riddled, third rate athletic competition called the Pan-Am games ($2.5 billion) That $3.5 billion could have gone a long way towards the plan for Toronto's transit without screwing the taxpayer.


And let's not forget that the $3/mo increase is only the first increase of the year. There was an increase in rates in the last quarter of last year and there'll be another increase in the last quarter this year.


Ontario has definitely proven one thing though, conserving on hydro use actually leads to more expensive hydro rates. So why are we conserving? According to the latest govt bullsh*t ad, ever since the last coal fired plant was shut down, the OPG's power supply is 99.7% emissions free. If our supply is now based on wind, hydroelectric and nuclear, then there's really no need to conserve on hydro use since wind blows freely (when it's blowing) and water flows freely, and nuclear produces huge amounts of power.
Of course it doesn't matter now. The rates are up there and that's where they're going to stay. All because the idiots in this province keep electing incompetent tits to run the circus.

Yes but they run it while making you think they are the more progressive, more environmentally friendly, PC. People are simply to stupid to realize they are the same as the Conservatives. Just pretending they are not.
 
Ludlow
No Party Affiliation
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

Being in a confined space with methane can get one a bit loopy.

that could apply to most Mexican food restaurants
 
thesaint
#54
This happens pretty regularly, and it's hard to swallow when the auditor showed we have overpaid for such a long time. Plus paying down that debt retirement.
 
Ludlow
No Party Affiliation
#55
Quote: Originally Posted by thesaint View Post

This happens pretty regularly, and it's hard to swallow when the auditor showed we have overpaid for such a long time. Plus paying down that debt retirement.

Swallow it, like it and quit ye gripin I'll bet you load a grocery sack full of grub down ye neck eva day.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+1
#56
Kathy Wynne the gift that keeps taking.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+1
#57
Plus I love how you get a monthly charge on your bill for hook up and delivery, like the hydro guys show up in your driveway every month to pump a van load of electricity into your house or something. Even Rogers or Bell isn't that scummy.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#58
If they show up, you can bet it will be in a brand-spankin' new pickup....
 
petros
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

If they show up, you can bet it will be in a brand-spankin' new pickup....

Of course. Fresh off the Wynne subsidized truck lines.
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Of course. Fresh off the Wynne subsidized truck lines.

Every juristiction with an auto assembly line in North America provides "goodies" to the car companies. It is standard practice and it's the way that the game is played, no exceptions.
 

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