What is Pride?

pfrattali
#1
Pride happens when we get caught up in trying to get other people to 'admire', 'like', 'love', or 'accept' us. We try to dodge rejection from others at all cost. In other words, through our insecurity, we try to 'coerce' or 'force' others to 'admire', 'like', 'love', or 'accept' us.

When we realize that God's love IS ALL WE NEED and that His love truly satisfies our need for acceptance, insecurity (which feeds pride) melts away from us. The more we realize and experience God's love (through Jesus Christ), the less insecure we become. We need to be open to receive God's love as we truly seek Him from our hearts. His love can bring us total security, to the point where we become FEARLESS.



"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear: because fear has torment. He that fears is not made perfect in love." I John 4:18






Pride is a 'defense mechanism' for feelings of rejection. Pride and arrogance are feelings we allow ourselves to fall into because of the delusion that somehow others (anyone but God) will completely satisfy our need to be accepted and loved. This will never happen! We completely lose sight of our need for God's love.

Pride will always say, "Are you rejecting me? Well, I'll show you!!" And on and on we try to get other people's attention to prove a point, or try to be right and make ourselves look better than our neighbor. At the same time your neighbor is likely feeling the same thing toward you, and as a result you get striving and contentions, bitterness, envies and jealousies! THIS IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF ENERGY, causing unnecessary stress as we try to 'prove' something to others!! This is the fast track to 'aging' and eventual 'death'.



"Where do wars and fights among you come from? Come they not from your lusts that war in your bodies? You lust, and have not: you kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: you fight and war, yet you have not, because you ask not. You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may consume it upon your lusts. You adulterers and adulteresses, know you not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Do you think that the scripture says in vain, 'The spirit that dwells in us lusts to envy? But God gives more grace. Therefore He says, 'God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.'

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up. Speak not evil one of another, brothers. He that speaks evil of his brother, and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law, and judges the law: but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge." James 4:1-11








Parents, learn to love your children and impart unto them security! Be wise by teaching them (at the earliest possible age) to love God and seek Him with all their hearts. It will likely avoid delinquency from taking root in your children, and save you from much heartache later in life.

The more self-sufficient/self-reliable a person perceives himself/herself to be, the prouder he/she becomes. That person loses sight of God and the ability to completely trust God with their lives and all things pertaining to life. This is why God always admonishes us to humble ourselves before Him at all times!



"If My people who are called by My name will HUMBLE themselves, and PRAY and SEEK MY FACE, and turn from their evil ways, then I will hear from Heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land". I Chronicles 7:14






God hates pride & arrogance. Try to avoid these at all cost! The best way to deal with pride is to spend time with God daily seeking Him and studying His Word. Learn to strengthen your faith in His love for you! Develop a strong faith that He does truly love you and accepts you unconditionally, and never lose sight of this fact!
 
shadowshiv
#2
Something that happens before the fall?
 
lone wolf
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by shadowshiv View Post

Something that happens before the fall?

We're almost into winter now.... Better luck next year
 
TenPenny
#4
I thought it was a group of lions in late summer.
 
Cliffy
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

I thought it was a group of lions in late summer.

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Goober
#6
So is God unhappy when I take pride in doing something well -
 
AnnaG
#7
I'm proud of my kids.
Sir Pompass is vain of himself.
 
SirJosephPorter
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

I thought it was a group of lions in late summer.

Well, strictly speaking, a pride is really composed of lionesses, the male lions are only guests there, until such time as other males inevitably attack them and drive them out. A male would stay with the pride typically for 1 or 2 years (before he is killed or driven out by other males), the female stays in the pride throughout her life.
 
Goober
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

Well, strictly speaking, a pride is really composed of lionesses, the male lions are only guests there, until such time as other males inevitably attack them and drive them out. A male would stay with the pride typically for 1 or 2 years (before he is killed or driven out by other males), the female stays in the pride throughout her life.

Doesn't matter where you go - Males dying over women.
 
AnnaG
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

Well, strictly speaking, a pride is really composed of lionesses, the male lions are only guests there, until such time as other males inevitably attack them and drive them out. A male would stay with the pride typically for 1 or 2 years (before he is killed or driven out by other males), the female stays in the pride throughout her life.

Strictly speaking, a pride is mostly females and cubs and juvenile males. Try sticking to stuff you know something about.
 
SirJosephPorter
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

Doesn't matter where you go - Males dying over women.

Quite so, life span of male lions is much smaller than that of lionesses. A lioness can live to a ripe old age, a male lion, never.
 
Goober
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

Strictly speaking, a pride is mostly females and cubs and juvenile males. Try sticking to stuff you know something about.

Anna g

You strike me as the type of woman that men would fight over - it is a compliment - I always respect a strong woman.
 
darkbeaver
#13
Pride is when you can tie your own shoelaces and freshen your own disposal equipment without mummys help. These accomplishments made me positivly beam with pride. The rewards have been innumerable.
 
Goober
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Pride is when you can tie your own shoelaces and freshen your own disposal equipment without mummys help. These accomplishments made me positivly beam with pride. The rewards have been innumerable.

Watch the gramma Drama man
 
Mowich
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

So is God unhappy when I take pride in doing something well -

I was wondering about that too, Goober.
 
Goober
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

I was wondering about that too, Goober.

Literal and interpretation - Thats where man Fuxks it up - The Bible is pretty straight forward for those that can think.

Problem with humans - to many fingers.
 
AnnaG
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

Anna g

You strike me as the type of woman that men would fight over - it is a compliment - I always respect a strong woman.

Well, I don't know about strong, but I can sure run, play soccer, and hike.
Um, ty for the compliment.
 
Mowich
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

Well, I don't know about strong, but I can sure run, play soccer, and hike.
Um, ty for the compliment.

I agree with Goober, Anna, but I would use the word resilient, betcha that fits. No?
 
AndyF
#19
Through the effects of sin compounding, pride begets other sins as well. Once an individual becomes self centered in his pride, he seeks out external stimuli and acceptance. Jesus spoke of this manifestation in John.5,41:

39 "You search the Scriptures, for you think that in them you have everlasting life, and they are the very writings that testify about Me. 40 Yet you will not come to Me in order to have life. 41 I do not seek honor among men, 42 but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 For I have come in the name of My Father, and yet you do not welcome Me. If another comes in his own name, you will welcome him. 44 How can you believe, you who take honor from one another, but do not seek the honor that is from the only God?

Andy
 
AndyF
#20
Quote:

So is God unhappy when I take pride in doing something well -

Yes. Has servants, we obtain true happiness through knowing we please God. We can feel happiness in the service we successfully accomplished, as happiness is a spiritual gift of God as a partial reward for a job well done. But has the op says, pride's effects are self serving. We cannot make use of anything for a good that doesn't already belong to God. In other words what can we credit to ourselves as an offering to God if the material,tools,skill,intellect we use to create a product doesn't belong to us, a product that belongs to God antecedent of it's creation.? This reality is a humbling thought indeed.

We need to remember always that we are spirits here on this planet encased in this material shell and we are destined for higher things. We need to detract of the enticements of this world and seek spiritual things rather than the empirical, even to the point of denying self, which coming full circle has the effect of ridding oneself of the temptation of pride.

Andy
Last edited by AndyF; Dec 18th, 2009 at 12:15 PM..
 
countryboy
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by AndyF View Post

Through the effects of sin compounding, pride begets other sins as well. Once an individual becomes self centered in his pride, he seeks out external stimuli and acceptance. Jesus spoke of this manifestation in John.5,41:

39 "You search the Scriptures, for you think that in them you have everlasting life, and they are the very writings that testify about Me. 40 Yet you will not come to Me in order to have life. 41 I do not seek honor among men, 42 but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 For I have come in the name of My Father, and yet you do not welcome Me. If another comes in his own name, you will welcome him. 44 How can you believe, you who take honor from one another, but do not seek the honor that is from the only God?

Andy

Wow, and here I was going to answer the question "What is Pride" by saying, "Charlie" - A country singer popular a few years back with hits like Crystal Chandelier and others.

My other answer would have been "the act of getting a lid off a jar of pickled crow gizzards"...like, "I pride that sucker right offa' that jar!"

I feel "out-thunk" here...time to head back to the country where questions and answers are real simple!
 
Mowich
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy View Post

Wow, and here I was going to answer the question "What is Pride" by saying, "Charlie" - A country singer popular a few years back with hits like Crystal Chandelier and others.

My other answer would have been "the act of getting a lid off a jar of pickled crow gizzards"...like, "I pride that sucker right offa' that jar!"

I feel "out-thunk" here...time to head back to the country where questions and answers are real simple!

ROFLMAO! Good one, CB.
 
AnnaG
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

I agree with Goober, Anna, but I would use the word resilient, betcha that fits. No?

TY, Mowich. I try. It helps to be able to dump negative stuff fast rather than hanging onto it. I think you're pretty awesome, too.
 
AnnaG
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by AndyF View Post

Through the effects of sin compounding, pride begets other sins as well. Once an individual becomes self centered in his pride, he seeks out external stimuli and acceptance. Jesus spoke of this manifestation in John.5,41:

39 "You search the Scriptures, for you think that in them you have everlasting life, and they are the very writings that testify about Me. 40 Yet you will not come to Me in order to have life. 41 I do not seek honor among men, 42 but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 For I have come in the name of My Father, and yet you do not welcome Me. If another comes in his own name, you will welcome him. 44 How can you believe, you who take honor from one another, but do not seek the honor that is from the only God?

Andy

This sounds like more stuff showing where religion keeps trying to get people to rid themselves of what makes us human to me.
 
AnnaG
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by AndyF View Post

Yes. Has servants, we obtain true happiness through knowing we please God. We can feel happiness in the service we successfully accomplished, as happiness is a spiritual gift of God as a partial reward for a job well done. But has the op says, pride's effects are self serving. We cannot make use of anything for a good that doesn't already belong to God. In other words what can we credit to ourselves as an offering to God if the material,tools,skill,intellect we use to create a product doesn't belong to us, a product that belongs to God antecedent of it's creation.? This reality is a humbling thought indeed.

I obtain true happiness from interacting with my hubby, my daughters, and other people. I take pride in my girls, that I can do some things well, and that I am able to help people "just because" without expecting reward other than feeling good about it.

Quote:

We need to remember always that we are spirits here on this planet encased in this material shell and we are destined for higher things. We need to detract of the enticements of this world and seek spiritual things rather than the empirical, even to the point of denying self, which coming full circle has the effect of ridding oneself of the temptation of pride.

Andy

There's no evidence of that.
 
AnnaG
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy View Post

Wow, and here I was going to answer the question "What is Pride" by saying, "Charlie" - A country singer popular a few years back with hits like Crystal Chandelier and others.

My other answer would have been "the act of getting a lid off a jar of pickled crow gizzards"...like, "I pride that sucker right offa' that jar!"

I feel "out-thunk" here...time to head back to the country where questions and answers are real simple!

There's also those groups (called prides) of tan-colored furry things that walk around on all fours, roar a lot, etc. in Africa.
 
countryboy
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

There's also those groups (called prides) of tan-colored furry things that walk around on all fours, roar a lot, etc. in Africa.

Dang! You don't mean them "line prides", do you? I always thought that meant pumpin' up the ol' self-ess-teem while line dancing down at the cowboy club. Jehosaphat, yew guys have me beat on this one...I never woulda' thunk there'd be so many meanings to a simply werd like pried, or pride, or pryde, or whuddever it is.
 
AnnaG
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy View Post

Dang! You don't mean them "line prides", do you? I always thought that meant pumpin' up the ol' self-ess-teem while line dancing down at the cowboy club. Jehosaphat, yew guys have me beat on this one...I never woulda' thunk there'd be so many meanings to a simply werd like pried, or pride, or pryde, or whuddever it is.

That's what I meant.
How about pride parades? I hear Toronto has a big one. I've never seen a pride in a parade before personally, though.
 
SirJosephPorter
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy View Post

Wow, and here I was going to answer the question "What is Pride" by saying, "Charlie" - A country singer popular a few years back with hits like Crystal Chandelier and others.

My other answer would have been "the act of getting a lid off a jar of pickled crow gizzards"...like, "I pride that sucker right offa' that jar!"

I feel "out-thunk" here...time to head back to the country where questions and answers are real simple!

Yes, I remember Charlie Pride, countryboy. And a few years back? I would say way back.

When I was doing my Ph.D at University of Utah (this was in the 70s), one person in our group had a radio, and he always used to tune it to the same Channel of country music. After listening to country music in the lab day after day for a few years, I became quite knowledgeable about it, at the time. In addition of Charlie Pride, I recall Ronny Millsap (I think he was blind), Merle Haggard and several others.

I recall quite a few songs from that era. I still remember most of the ballad ‘Joannie was the girl who lived next door’; it used to be heard quite often in those days.

However, country music is not my cup of tea, and after I left Salt Lake City, I stopped listening to it. These days my knowledge of country music is zero.
 
weaselwords
#30
What are you supposed to be, ambivelent of your accomplishments or yourself or think positively of those accomplishments and self. Isn't thinking positively of self consdered pride? Isn't ambivelence considered a symptom of depression? That being the case I prefer to be proud.
 

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