Krauthammer Tells Inconvenient Truth About Egypt


Johnny Utah
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Krauthammer Tells Inconvenient Truth About Egypt and Muslim Brotherhood Media are Ignoring
NewsBusters.org
February 12, 2011
Excerpt:
Most of the media were predictably jubilant and giddy on Friday when it was announced that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was stepping down.

Acting as the voice of reason was syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer who on PBS's "Inside Washington" spoke some inconvenient truths about the Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt's similarities to pre-Islamic Revolution Iran that America's press have been dishonestly downplaying for weeks.

Most of the media were predictably jubilant and giddy on Friday when it was announced that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was stepping down.

Acting as the voice of reason was syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer who on PBS's "Inside Washington" spoke some inconvenient truths about the Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt's similarities to pre-Islamic Revolution Iran that America's press.

Krauthammer Tells Inconvenient Truth About Egypt and Muslim Brotherhood Media are Ignoring | NewsBusters.org

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Last edited by Johnny Utah; Feb 13th, 2011 at 12:12 PM..
 
CDNBear
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"No Christian, nor woman, should be President of Egypt"...

"One man, one vote, one time"...

Wise sentiments from someone who is obviously informed.
 
TenPenny
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There is a difference between allowing Egyptians the right to vote and supporting the Islamic Brotherhood.

I understand that the west does not like the Islamic Brotherhood; that's fair.
It is,however, not a justification for not allowing Egyptians to have elections. If the tables were turned, would Americans agree that Egyptians should decide who is qualified to run in US elections? I doubt it.

Nobody needs a big brother, the days of colonialism are long past.
 
Icarus27k
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Quote: Originally Posted by Johnny Utah View Post

Egypt's similarities to pre-Islamic Revolution Iran .


And that right there gives Krauthammer and people who believe him a notch down on the respectability scale. What will Egypt and Iran being two completely different nations, with two different languages, religions and styles of government.
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by Icarus27k View Post

And that right there gives Krauthammer and people who believe him a notch down on the respectability scale. What will Egypt and Iran being two completely different nations, with two different languages, religions and styles of government.

You don't like Krauthammer...because he doesn't say what you want to hear...period!
 
Icarus27k
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

You don't like Krauthammer...because he doesn't say what you want to hear...period!

I'm pretty sure it's the insane comparison of Egypt to Iran that I don't like. That's a pretty big obstacle for you to get around and try to say I just don't like him ... just cause.
 
earth_as_one
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Iran 30 years ago and Egypt last week are two completely different revolutions.

In Iran, the military cracked down on anti-government protesters brutally and repeatedly. They'd drive them under ground only for the movement to resurface, better armed and more extreme. The process took nearly two years, before protesters finally destroyed the Iranian military and security forces, forcing the dictator to flee. By the time the dust settled, the country was in a state of anarchy ruled by angry disorganized mobs. Religious Mullahs filled the power vacuum and seized power by default.

In Egypt, the military acted with restraint, only intervened to prevent violence and vandalism. After a couple weeks of mostly non-violent protests, the military was not only intact, they remained well organized, disciplined and also had popular support. Egypt never experienced a power vacuum. Now Egypt's military will oversee the transition to a democracy. We'll see if they allow a free democracy or play some sort of shell game and force the protesters to return to the streets. I expect the US will continue to play a positive role in the back ground, and I'm hopeful Egyptians will have free and fair elections.

If Egypt becomes a representative democracy, then the MB will play a role in a future government based on how well they do in the upcoming election, but they are hardly in control now and unlikely to gain absolute power in the future. The people behind this movement didn't risk their lives to replace one autocratic system with another.

What we are seeing now is shameful scare mongering by Israeli apologists who fear dealing with a free Egypt. They really don't care about freedom or justice when it comes to others. They'd rather that Egyptians remain oppressed and suffer human rights atrocities as long as they can pull the strings of a compliant dictator.

What these people don't realize, is that the status quo in Egypt was unsustainable. If the military cracked down on the Egyptian people as they wished, eventually the people would have won eventually after much death and destruction. But the military wouldn't be around to guide the transition process and there is a good chance the MB would fill the power vacuum, just the Mullahs did in Iran 30 years ago.
 
Kreskin
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The inconvenient truth is Egyptians decide what Egyptians need, not Krauthammer.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

The inconvenient truth is Egyptians decide what Egyptians need, not Krauthammer.

Indeed.

And if that choice is inconenient to the west, so be it.
 
Colpy
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

Indeed.

And if that choice is inconenient to the west, so be it.

Well yeah....with the unfortunate side effect of a major war, rising oil prices, increasingly radicalized Islam in the east and the west, .....

Perhaps the west, if this fails, will finally realize that Islam and democracy are simply not compatible.................and look in their own back yard.

There is a silver lining in every cloud.

Oh, and next time, if Israel takes the Sinai, I suggest they annex it. Third strike, you're out.....literally.
 
Kreskin
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Maybe they would be less radical if we didn't prop up dictators for the benefit of Israel.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Well yeah....with the unfortunate side effect of a major war, rising oil prices, increasingly radicalized Islam in the east and the west, .....

Perhaps the west, if this fails, will finally realize that Islam and democracy are simply not compatible.................and look in their own back yard.

There is a silver lining in every cloud.

Oh, and next time, if Israel takes the Sinai, I suggest they annex it. Third strike, you're out.....literally.


Put yourself in the place of a British aristocrat in the lat 1700s. What would you think about US independence?


You are looking at this from a personal point of view - oil prices, war, Islam. That's nice, but think about history.
 
Sparrow
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I hope it all goes well for Egypt and its people. What I also hope is that other countries will mind their own business and let them handle their own affairs.
 
gerryh
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pigeons are coming home to roost. If Egypt ends up with an Islamist Government, everyone can thank the united sl*ts of america. Obviously nothing was learned from the "shah".
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

Maybe they would be less radical if we didn't prop up dictators for the benefit of Israel.

The main branch of radical Islam doesn't come from Egypt, or Iran, or Iraq, or Afghanistan.....but from Saudi Arabia.......exported and financially supported by the filthy rich oil oligarchy of that nation.

The founder of Wahhibism died 218 years ago.

Kinda shoots that argument to pieces.

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

Put yourself in the place of a British aristocrat in the lat 1700s. What would you think about US independence?


You are looking at this from a personal point of view - oil prices, war, Islam. That's nice, but think about history.

I am.

Modern Western democracy sprang from Christian respect for choice and the individual.

The rise of Islam is sundown for the liberal west, unless contained.

Islam and democracy are incompatible.....that is the point.

I sincerely hope the Egyptians elect a secular government............and if they create a liberal democracy in Egypt, then a short spike in oil prices would be a very small price to pay. Democracies rarely, if ever, go to war with each other. A sincerely secular liberal democracy in Egypt would stabilize the Middle East like little else could (with the possible exception of Iran sinking into the sea)

Unfortunately, I doubt that outcome is even in the cards.

it is wait and see time. Just playing Cassandra, that is all.....
 
Kreskin
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I also feel strongly we shouldn't prop up Oil Barons.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

I also feel strongly we shouldn't prop up Oil Barons.

yeah, well....I agree.

Let's get them oil sands rolling....
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

yeah, well....I agree.

Let's get them oil sands rolling....

except our own
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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From what I am hearing from the right on here, is that if the Muslim Brotherhood should somehow gain power war in the middle East is inevitable. The only thing inevitable is that the west will start another war if the MB gains power. The middle east has enough war going on because of our interference in their affairs. The only war mongering is coming from the west and its right wing nut jobs.
 
Colpy
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

From what I am hearing from the right on here, is that if the Muslim Brotherhood should somehow gain power war in the middle East is inevitable. The only thing inevitable is that the west will start another war if the MB gains power. The middle east has enough war going on because of our interference in their affairs. The only war mongers are the west and its right wing nut jobs.

uh huh. Read about the MB......lovely bunch!

Muslim Brotherhood

Like there was never upheaval in the ME before the Crusades, or in early modern history, or under the Ottoman Empire.

What crap!

Islam is a Religion of War, the Prophet was a war monger, Islam was spread throughout the Arab Peninsula by war and murder........

Try not to ignore reality quite so blatantly.........it is just too obvious.

Ezra Levant....

Quote:

And let me congratulate myself for my exquisite hatred of Mubarak, a hatred that predates the current fad. I savour this moment of jubilation and vindication. And I will wait until tomorrow to contemplate my new emotion — a deep fear that, like the fall of Iran's shah in 1979, things are about to get far, far worse.

He says it very well.

http://ezralevant.com/2011/02/does-t...good-then.html
 
gerryh
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Holy crap, the racist jew got one right for a change.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Holy crap, the racist jew got one right for a change.

Now why would you say something so intensely stupid?

Trolling, or just force of habit?

Islam is a RELIGION, not a RACE.....perhaps you could buy a dictionary and try to figure out the difference.
 
damngrumpy
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The future all depends and that is all we know. If they elect a radical government that installs an
Islamic Government that is their right. The truth is, rights come with responsibilities and of course
consequences. To start with if the radicals take over, America should cut off all aid programs and
that would include humanitarian aid, food medicine and everything else.
It is true America backed a dictatorship and they have to take the hit for that responsibility comes
in many disguises. Cool heads must prevail and we must be careful about going on or fostering
speculation.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Now why would you say something so intensely stupid?

Trolling, or just force of habit?

Islam is a RELIGION, not a RACE.....perhaps you could buy a dictionary and try to figure out the difference.


Ok, just for you,.... the BIGOTED jew finally got one right.
 
earth_as_one
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

pigeons are coming home to roost. If Egypt ends up with an Islamist Government, everyone can thank the united sl*ts of america. Obviously nothing was learned from the "shah".

gerryh:

That's not how I interpreted US calls for an "orderly transition to a democracy". The US sided with the dictator in Iran and this time they sided with the people... mind you the did side with the dictator for 30 years, before 2 weeks ago....
Quote:

And let me congratulate myself for my exquisite hatred of Mubarak, a hatred that predates the current fad. I savour this moment of jubilation and vindication. And I will wait until tomorrow to contemplate my new emotion — a deep fear that, like the fall of Iran's shah in 1979, things are about to get far, far worse.

My dislike for Mubarak also predates the current fad and I agree... Things can get much worse for Israel,. Egypt isn't the real threat to Israel. Sooner or later Saudi Arabia's dictatorship will fall and I doubt that transition will lead to a secular democracy....
 
Colpy
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Ok, just for you,.... the BIGOTED jew finally got one right.

Let's see....the guy prints a set of cartoons that should have been printed by every media outlet in the western world......for two reasons, the first being that the cartoons were news, the very foundation of a world-wide furor, and secondly, because the free western media should wave the flag of freedom of speech proudly, as it was hard won in our society...instead, they stood quaking with fear, their knees knocking, while they claimed they were being "responsible" for collapsing in the face of threats by a bunch of medieval cultists.

So, not Levant.....he had the cojones to live up to his real responsibilities, and printed the cartoons.......and was dragged before a Kangaroo Court by one of the afore mentioned psychos, with the fll collusion of the gov'ts of Alberta and Canada, and winds up spending $100,000 in his own defense....

But he is the bigot.

Sometimes being a bigot is only good sense.
 
Johnny Utah
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It's amazing how fast the Left dismesses what Krauthammer has to say without giving it single thought..
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one View Post

gerryh:

That's not how I interpreted US calls for an "orderly transition to a democracy". The US sided with the dictator in Iran and this time they sided with the people... mind you the did side with the dictator for 30 years, before 2 weeks ago....
My dislike for Mubarak also predates the current fad and I agree... Things can get much worse for Israel,. Egypt isn't the real threat to Israel. Sooner or later Saudi Arabia's dictatorship will fall and I doubt that transition will lead to a secular democracy....

Basically, what the Americans did in Egypt was replaced the USSR..........and paid off the Egyptian gov't to be on our side, and to maintain peace with Israel, thus stabilizing the entire ME.........

They could have allied with Israel, I suppose, and gone for regime change.........actually their resistance to that exact tactic in 1956 killed the attack on Egypt by France, Great Britain, and Israel......

You guys need to make up your minds.........regime change or no, peace or no, interference or no........I'm all for "death to tyrants" and a muscular promotion of western values.......

And you?

Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one View Post

gerryh:

That's not how I interpreted US calls for an "orderly transition to a democracy". The US sided with the dictator in Iran and this time they sided with the people... mind you the did side with the dictator for 30 years, before 2 weeks ago....
My dislike for Mubarak also predates the current fad and I agree... Things can get much worse for Israel,. Egypt isn't the real threat to Israel. Sooner or later Saudi Arabia's dictatorship will fall and I doubt that transition will lead to a secular democracy....

Basically, what the Americans did in Egypt was replaced the USSR..........and paid off the Egyptian gov't to be on our side, and to maintain peace with Israel, thus stabilizing the entire ME.........

They could have allied with Israel, I suppose, and gone for regime change.........actually their resistance to that exact tactic in 1956 killed the attack on Egypt by France, Great Britain, and Israel......

You guys need to make up your minds.........regime change or no, peace or no, interference or no........I'm all for "death to tyrants" and a muscular promotion of western values.......

And you?
 
gopher
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Krauthammer is full of sh*t and whoever believes him as well. The Brotherhood is a tiny minority cult whereas Khomeini represented the majority of Iran's population. We have discussed this enough times on the forum but the pro war hysterics will always post the same debunked nonsense until Kingdom come.

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gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

I'm all for "death to tyrants" and a muscular promotion of western values.......

And you?

Really? That's kinda conflicting isn't it? You want to kill the tyrants installed and propped up by western countries? What western values is it you want to promote?
 

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