Increased U.S.A. Leadership Triggers New Axis


#juan
No Party Affiliation
#1
INCREASED USA LEADERSHIP TRIGGERS A NEW AXIS BETWEEN RUSSIA, INDIA, AND CHINA

Los Angeles Times, October 4, 1999, Part B; Page 6; Editorial Writers Desk HEADLINE: ANTI U.S. AXIS? // In-acs

Some people who make a career out of worrying about international relations are starting to worry that China, Russia and India might be heading toward a strategic partnership that could be inimical to U.S. interests. Such a relationship would ally three nuclear powers with a combined population of more than 2 billion, spread out over a large part of the Eurasian landmass. Cementing this bloc would be the shared belief that the United States has become too powerful and in fact too dominant internationally and that the three countries would benefit if they cooperated to counterbalance American power and influence.

Aside from a shared discomfort about America's might, the three have other common interests. They want a stable Central Asia. They fear the impact of militant Islam. They oppose theater missile-defense systems. They strenuously back the primacy of the U.N. Security Council for dealing with world crises. And they strongly support the principle of nonintervention in the affairs of sovereign states--a principle violated by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as it tried to halt "ethnic cleansing" in Yugoslavia, in the southern Serbian province of Kosovo.


What will be the result of this alliance? Same as the old "cold war"?
 
thomaska
#2
October 4, 1999?
You'd think some results would be apparent by now...I wonder if those international relationship worriers are still holding their breath awaiting the outcome?

I wouldn't think China and Russia need worry about militant islam, because the militant islamics wont mess with them. They don't mess with them because China and Russia will play by the same rules the militants play by. None. They dont have to be good guys, and no one expects them too.
 
Jersay
#3
What about Chechnya.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

October 4, 1999?
You'd think some results would be apparent by now...I wonder if those international relationship worriers are still holding their breath awaiting the outcome?

I wouldn't think China and Russia need worry about militant islam, because the militant islamics wont mess with them. They don't mess with them because China and Russia will play by the same rules the militants play by. None. They dont have to be good guys, and no one expects them too.

Ever hear of Chechnya? (sp)
 
Jersay
#5
Ah, you thought the same way i did.
 
thomaska
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

October 4, 1999?
You'd think some results would be apparent by now...I wonder if those international relationship worriers are still holding their breath awaiting the outcome?

I wouldn't think China and Russia need worry about militant islam, because the militant islamics wont mess with them. They don't mess with them because China and Russia will play by the same rules the militants play by. None. They dont have to be good guys, and no one expects them too.

Ever hear of Chechnya? (sp)

Yep, thanks for making my point for me.
The Chechens have gotten pretty good at sawing heads off of bound Russian soldiers themselves. The Russians are just as nasty in dealing with the Chechens.
 
GuyIncognito
#7
An Asian Alliance sounds like a solid Idea, especially if they stand behind the claim of non intervention... The US needs to be checked and soon as its foreign policy is criminal...
I applaud this alliance
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#8
Here is something more recent:

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darkbeaver
Republican
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

October 4, 1999?
You'd think some results would be apparent by now...I wonder if those international relationship worriers are still holding their breath awaiting the outcome?

I wouldn't think China and Russia need worry about militant islam, because the militant islamics wont mess with them. They don't mess with them because China and Russia will play by the same rules the militants play by. None. They dont have to be good guys, and no one expects them too.

And what book of rules is the he American Empire following? No one expects Americans to be good guys, except Americans who for the most part don't know that they themselves are the biggest terrorist nation on earth.
 
Finder
#10
Didn't they make a defence agreement with Iran a few months back?
 
Jersay
#11
I believe they did Finder to ensure they get the majority of Iranian oil.
 
Finder
#12
I read a few things about it the day it came out. I'm surprised this didn't make the headlines as much as it did. I'm guessing because India and China are emerging super powers which the states wishes to keep on the the good side and Russia still has some bite left.
 
Jersay
#13
Yeah.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by GuyIncognito

An Asian Alliance sounds like a solid Idea, especially if they stand behind the claim of non intervention... The US needs to be checked and soon as its foreign policy is criminal...
I applaud this alliance

You are out of your feking mind.

"I welcome this alliance"!!!!!?????

Take a long hard look at China.......because it will wind up leading any such alliance...........the regime in China may have murdered as many as 70 MILLION people since 1949.........

Not that I think this alliance will even get off the ground......China has issues, serious ones, with both India and Russia.
 
Finder
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Quote: Originally Posted by GuyIncognito

An Asian Alliance sounds like a solid Idea, especially if they stand behind the claim of non intervention... The US needs to be checked and soon as its foreign policy is criminal...
I applaud this alliance

You are out of your feking mind.

"I welcome this alliance"!!!!!?????

Take a long hard look at China.......because it will wind up leading any such alliance...........the regime in China may have murdered as many as 70 MILLION people since 1949.........

Not that I think this alliance will even get off the ground......China has issues, serious ones, with both India and Russia.


Did you get the 70 million from "The black book of communism" by Mark Kramer, or one of the off shoots which uses it as a referance. Because the numbers they have in that book are laughable and the referances are somewhat missleading. As it includes people who died from natural causes, war, revolution, skirmishes, natural famine. However the deaths caused by political repression, death squads and man made famine should be included. However using Mr Kramer's way of gathering numbers the deaths the USA have caused well, you can see where I'm going to here.

Colphy, I don't like China for a simple reason. The Communist Party has totally gone into a different direction which is closer to facism then communism, socialism, or anything on the left. Though as an emerging capitalist nation the USA should be embracing the changes in China and should not be looking for area's to "red-bate" them. Currently the USA's diplomacy with China is working pretty good for both counties as China's labour is ready to be exploted and currently is being exploted by the west, with little "socialist" interferance you get from labour in the west. Why, because the unions in China are controled by the communist party and thus the government, making these unions almost completely inept.


India is an asian power and perhaps one of the next world powers, socially they have had problems as well but even the USA has had social problems in the past 50 years, as China and India have had.

Really I don't think we have much to worry from this alliance as it may help to stabilize the region. Yes it's to there own interests, but thats what NATO does.
 
I think not
#16
Finder this is where you drive me to drink on a Friday night, you try and draw comparisons between the "Cultural Revolution" (an internal matter) and the US domestic policies. I mean, get a grip.
 
Finder
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Finder this is where you drive me to drink on a Friday night, you try and draw comparisons between the "Cultural Revolution" (an internal matter) and the US domestic policies. I mean, get a grip.

Have you read the "Black book of Communism" It's numbers are outragous and are ridiculed for being so by most professors around the world. However 70 million or 5 million, doesn't matter if you inflate numbers, any number of dead is wrong in the end.

But the right often use quotes from the black book and do not actually go out and try to find out where this guy got his information from.

When you figure the amount of evidence there is when it comes to the 6 million that we know hitler killed, and the "evidence" Mr Kramer uses, it's like saying this.

With new evidence we have came out with the notion that Hitler did not only kill 6 million people but 20 million.


Yeah 20 million is totally wrong and it's just tripling the orginal number which is bad in itself but it is wrong to say because you are just inflating numbers for no reason. You could say hitler killed 20 million however. If you take solduers lost on all sides during ww2, those killed in bombings and so on. This is what the black book does to get its numbers and more. It pisses me off the the right uses these numbers as general knowlege. Yes the culteral revolution was horrible and bad, and the soviet union under Stalin was bad and most likely killed millions... But don't give me a number in away which I could take almost any nation like maybe Canada or the USA and get hundreds of thounds of deaths from the same way.
 
Finder
#18
Anyhow my point is China and Russia have moved on from those days and have totally done a about turn on there political beliefs. So much that China now resembles the oppisite of what it once fought against, at least in rhetoric.

Unions and workers in the west are more socialist, then those of China, and I'd even say the governments are as well. The Communist party of China is Communist or socialist in name only and an authortian capitalist, or state capitalism in practice.
 
dekhqonbacha
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

October 4, 1999?
You'd think some results would be apparent by now...I wonder if those international relationship worriers are still holding their breath awaiting the outcome?

I wouldn't think China and Russia need worry about militant islam, because the militant islamics wont mess with them. They don't mess with them because China and Russia will play by the same rules the militants play by. None. They dont have to be good guys, and no one expects them too.

There is already a result. SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization). For now India is not part of this organization but later on it may join as well.

Russia needs to worry about Chechens and China about Uyghurs, who want a separation from China.
 
dekhqonbacha
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

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Not that I think this alliance will even get off the ground......China has issues, serious ones, with both India and Russia.

Russia and China have reglated many issues so far.

There was a territory conflict between Russia and China, Russia gave it away.

The two countries are cooporating in military training. In fact every year every member country of SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) hosts these military trainings. Of course the Russia and China are dominant ones, but Central Asian states cooporate more with them then USA. First, because these two countries are very close to supply with anything. Secondly, nor China neither Russia supports freedom and democracy in Central Asia. Many americans were requiring Uzbekistan to open independent investigation for oppression. Only Bush was not in favor of it because if he did, US's military bases could have be removed. And that's what happened when Bush also required independent investigation.

Russia and China don't require it. Because China has brutal regime. Russia doesn't care about that because it wants to keep Central Asia.
 

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