If Canadians hate the US, why doesn't Canada just sever ties with them?


B00Mer
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#31
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Say something good about your country.
... just once ....
a positive thing...
I'm not holding my breath.

Great taxpayer funded healthcare
 
NZDoug
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#32
Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

See Canadians, this kiwi here says you are continuing relations with a terrorist state and I thought Canadians were better? Isn't that what you say? You are a benevolent people who accepts people from where ever and your multiculturalism is your strength and you are peace keepers of the world? How are you benevolent by making deals with a terrorist group?

mrjoshua
I am a proud CDN/KIWI and have lived in and worked in NYC, TX, FLA and Rio de Janeiro in my life.
In 1948, George Kennan, State Department Director of Policy Planning, noted that the United States then possessed about 50% of the worlds wealth but only 6.3% of its population.
The challenge facing US policy makers, he believed, was "to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity with the positive detriment to our national security".
Today, many decades later, Kennans position of disparity persists, somewhat diminished but still leaving Americans in a remarkably advantageous position.
With less than 5% of the population, the United States so controls 25% of global net worth as of 2016.
With modern communications and spread of knowledge throughout the Internet has shown our “heros” feet are made of clay.
I was born in 46, (Toronto General) and I believed in truth , justice and the American way.
Now, reality shows against the Nuremburg Was Trials, America has supported tyrants and dictators, started multiple wars, and commits first strikes to create war, once the greatest crime.
This is what the NAZIs were executed for.
Every day, more and more, it appears that everything I believed in was bullshit.
Ive quoted 50% 6.3% of Americans stuff from a book called “Americas War for the Greater Middle East”.
By Andrew J. Bacevich
 
mrjoshua
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

many more winter in the southern states. Our tourism industry is also deeply dependent on Americans . So you are out to lunch in my opinion .

Come on! You complain about them being loud, arrogant, ignorant, stupid, what else? And you still let them in? And you still go there? Fudge me dead mate!
 
mrjoshua
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

trade with New Zealand and Australia with a total economy the size of Oregon .That will be really great for our standard of living .

You never know until you try it.
 
mrjoshua
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#35
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

And we should be pals with them based on their being a Superpower?

Well it's up to you. There's the EU as an alternative.
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

China is the last country I want closer ties with, "superpower" or no.

Why? They are building infrastructure and developing countries all over the world, I don't understand what your problem is with them.
And by the way, according to pewresearch, Canadians have a more favorable opinion of China than the US. Proof that you are indeed a minority.
Remember, Canada is a democracy so when the time comes, you and your fellow minority will have to respect what the majority wants!
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Maybe culturally it's going through a shitshow, but overall... *shrug*

You never know.... Rebellion? Secession? Civil war? What are you going to do when that day comes?
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I'm scared of a lot of things about the US,

Good enough reason to let them go. Would you live with someone who scares you?
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

We're not THAT clung to the US, despite what you may think.

That's good! I like that attitude! It will be easier to let go of them then.
 
mrjoshua
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

In Alberta, we love the USA, and may join the USA

Curious Cnd is right, you are a traitor. You should get out of Canada but don't go to the US, if you betrayed your original country, you will most likely betray the country that you move to.

Just move to Somalia!
 
mrjoshua
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Yank.

That's what you are.

Oh please, no more. The US is already falling apart and to add a traitor to it will just make it fall apart faster!

I don't hate the US, I just don't understand why your fellow country men haven't severed ties with them yet if Canadians hate them so much.

The same can be applied about the world.
 
mrjoshua
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

You don't believe in Canada. You want to break up Canada.

Just execute him or kick him out..... to Somalia.
 
mrjoshua
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

They can hate Americans just as easily from behind a wall, so why bother to build the wall?

I am not asking them to build a wall because walls don't make peace. I am asking them to let go of the ones they hate. The ones that make them angry. I have said this over and over that the ones they hate don't care that they hate them.

It is simple human behavior to do this. Nothing to do with politics or economies or military or whatever people love to bring up. Simple human behavior -> if you don't like someone, if you hate them, let go of them, take them out of your mind, avoid them. Don't cling to your anger and your hate! Don't keep this person or people in your mind. That will destroy you!

Buddha once said:
 
mrjoshua
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

you sure do presume to speak for all Canadians.

Maybe not all but majority definitely.

And that's another thing, in a democracy like Canada's, the minority will have to respect what the majority want regardless of whether what the majority wants is good or bad! That is how a functioning democracy works! It is this functioning democracy that made Canada the prosperous nation that it is where people from all over the world can call home.
 
mrjoshua
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

If you guys build the wall and pay for it, I'm in.

No! This is not how you heal your wounds. As I said, put them out of your minds! Don't talk to them, don't acknowledge them, don't do anything that will warrant their attention!

Okay, not easy, especially for that last one! You have Britain! You have the EU! You have China! You have the Commonwealth! These nations can help you!

Plus, hey.... you burned down their capital city once right!?
 
mrjoshua
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Our economies and cultures are completely integrated

And that is the big problem right there! That is why so many Canadians like this Curious Cdn are angry! Why is Canada integrated with a terrorist state or so Canadians says!? It doesn't make sense, sir!
 
mrjoshua
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

America has supported tyrants and dictators, started multiple wars, and commits first strikes to create war, once the greatest crime.

Good enough reason to let them go right?

And See? I thought Canadians were better? I thought you were superior especially in terms of morality? Peace keepers of the world? A nation that accepts you without question of your skin color, culture, religion, where you came from? Canadian laws will protect you no matter who you are? In Canada, the air alone is to pure for oppression to exist? Canada is the place to build a home? Where is it?

Why on this God forsaken Earth would you even consider having relations with a nation that has supported tyrants and dictators, started multiple wars, and commits first strikes to create war, once the greatest crime?

I don't understand, why you would consider North Korea or Iran to be Axis of Evils considering that the US can do more damage compared to these two nations!

Canadians? Why are you hypocrites?
 
Jinentonix
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#44
Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

Come on! You complain about them being loud, arrogant, ignorant, stupid, what else? And you still let them in? And you still go there? Fudge me dead mate!

Nope. You're not a Canadian. So here's an idea. Why don't you f*ck off and go try to stir the pot elsewhere. Nobody here is buyin' the shit you're sellin'.

In fact, your nonsense is such that I even thumbed up a response from someone in here that I'm usually at loggerheads with.

Yep, Canada should just walk away from the $1.5 billion in trade that crosses the border each and every day.

And no bud, you haven't read/heard the opinion of all 37 million Canadians so what YOU'VE actually read/heard is a mere handful of opinions.

But you know what I find REALLY interesting. When it's Democrat America doing the kind of shit you're whining about, your kind are actually rather subdued about it. Seems only Republican America gets ya'll triggered.

Oh, and as an aside. Your mention of being neighbours with Australia gives me reason to chuckle seeing as how Australia has been caging illegals for at least 20 years. Before shipping them off to New Guinea that is.
 
mrjoshua
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

You're not a Canadian.

Never said I was.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Canada should just walk away from the $1.5 billion in trade that crosses the border each and every day.

If you are better, then yes, you would do that. Again, what is more important? Money or peace?

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

you haven't read/heard the opinion of all 37 million Canadians

There will always be a few who keeps denying and defying it. Sigh.

But if Canadians like you don't like China, you can still build stronger ties with your former colonial master:



Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

But you know what I find REALLY interesting. When it's Democrat America doing the kind of shit you're whining about, your kind are actually rather subdued about it. Seems only Republican America gets ya'll triggered.

I don't know what Democrat means or Republican or Conservatism or Liberalism or Left or Right. Please keep those words to yourself as I have no interest in those things!

You see, my approach in solving things is not go through those things. They slow you down to a crawl. My solutions take a more, radical approach.

Also, if you are talking about the surge of anti-Americanism in Canada because of Trump...... are you sure you are Canadian because these sentiments existed before Trump or before Bush even.....

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

seeing as how Australia has been caging illegals for at least 20 years.

I don't care what they do!
 
Jinentonix
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#46
Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

Maybe not all but majority definitely.
And that's another thing, in a democracy like Canada's, the minority will have to respect what the majority want regardless of whether what the majority wants is good or bad! That is how a functioning democracy works! It is this functioning democracy that made Canada the prosperous nation that it is where people from all over the world can call home.

Do you feel the same about Brexit? Do the minority Remainers just need to shut the f*ck up and go along with the majority vote? A vote that was indeed taken twice via a referendum and then a general election? How about all the propaganda and leftist attempts at sabotaging the Brexit vote? Is that shit cool with you?

Again, a majority of Canadians do NOT HATE America. Like Tecbones said, we're like a family. Sometimes we get along really well. Sometimes we don't. Opinion of each other between the two tends to go up and down. Are there times the US has pissed me off? You bet. There's times my family has pissed me off too. Should I just sever all ties with them too? Even though I'm sure I've pissed at least some of them off myself.

Meanwhile you want us to buddy up more to China, the creators of 5G. The absolute most intrusive system mankind has ever developed. This technology can literally track all of your movements, and I don't mean bowel movements either.
 
Jinentonix
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

I don't care what they do!

You're the twit that suggested Canadians would love to be Australia's neighbours so CLEARLY you have an opinion on Australia too.
 
Jinentonix
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

]Never said I was.

So you came here just to stir up shit in stuff that's none of your goddam business? Is that why you're here then?
Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

If you are better, then yes, you would do that. Again, what is more important? Money or peace?
There will always be a few who keeps denying and defying it. Sigh.
But if Canadians like you don't like China, you can still build stronger ties with your former colonial master:

Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

I don't know what Democrat means or Republican or Conservatism or Liberalism or Left or Right. Please keep those words to yourself as I have no interest in those things!

You come in here, a non-Canadian, to stir shit up with our neighbours and then tell me how to f*cking discuss the topic with you? In a CANADIAN public forum? Who the f*ck do you think you are?
You're trying to paint a bullshit strawman right here by arguing what country Canadians would rather share a border with. I never claimed that even myself would ONLY want the US as a neighbour. I stated there are precious few other countries I'd want to be neighbours with. You'll note that despite your "Canadians hate America" bullshit rhetoric, your goofy little chart still shows the US as #5. 4 can certainly be regarded as the "precious few" considering the number of countries there are.
 
petros
#49
Hate is the wrong word. Hate is absolute with no grey areas.

I don't know of anyone who hates Americans.
 
mrjoshua
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Do you feel the same about Brexit? Do the minority Remainers just need to shut the f*ck up and go along with the majority vote?

YES! Because, again, that is how a functioning democracy works!

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Again, a majority of Canadians do NOT HATE America.

Speak for yourself! I want to hear the rest of Canadians!

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

There's times my family has pissed me off too. Should I just sever all ties with them too? Even though I'm sure I've pissed at least some of them off myself.

That's different!

And sir, stop lying to yourself and embarrassing your own people at the same time! You are not family! You may come from one nation but that doesn't make you family! And if you are still convinced by this ridiculous idea, perhaps it was forgotten or never thought of in 1812?

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Meanwhile you want us to buddy up more to China

If you have read my posts carefully instead of getting upset, you would see that I laid out some example nations or groups of nations?
 
mrjoshua
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

You're the twit that suggested Canadians would love to be Australia's neighbours so CLEARLY you have an opinion on Australia too.

No I said if Canada could move their country maybe next to Australia or perhaps next to Europe or any other part of the world! I didn't say exclusively to Australia only!

Sir, you have to relax and stop getting angry just because of them. You are getting angry for a people who are killing each other, I might add.
 
mrjoshua
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

So you came here just to stir up shit in stuff that's none of your goddam business? Is that why you're here then?

First of all sir, calm down. Anger doesn't solve anything!

And no. I am here to give the Canadian people advice on how to deal with their neighbor. I already said that these sentiments existed a long time ago.

Having too much anger can blind you from coming up with solutions.

Look at what the Kiwi, NZDoug, said here:

"America has supported tyrants and dictators, started multiple wars, and commits first strikes to create war, once the greatest crime."

Instead of coming up with solutions, perhaps stopping the US from doing these things? The world just complaints and gets angry..... How does getting angry solve anything? Do you think that if the world complains hard enough that they will listen?

Anger does not do anything, action does!

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

You come in here, a non-Canadian, to stir shit up with our neighbours

The trouble has already been stirred up. Now, I want to help fix it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

and then tell me how to f*cking discuss the topic with you? In a CANADIAN public forum? Who the f*ck do you think you are?

You need to understand that you are just one person. There are 37,000,000 more of you, what about their voice?

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

You're trying to paint a bullshit strawman right here by arguing what country Canadians would rather share a border with.

Actually, the idea came from a Canadian.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

your goofy little chart still shows the US as #5.

It did get a <50% vote, so.....
 
NZDoug
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Hate is the wrong word. Hate is absolute with no grey areas.
I don't know of anyone who hates Americans.

I have never met an American that I haven't liked, personally.
even the ones who have marched me out of their homes because
I insulted the Marine Corps.
But, obfuscation creates a vacuum in reality of what America has and is doing.
Don’t you know that a war his going on?
Just some facts.
The U.S. military drops a bomb on average every 12 minutes.
The U.S. military burns on average 10million gallons of fuel daily.
As we communicate, the U.S. military is actively bombing 7 predominately Brown/Muslim countries.
More
https://youtu.be/ziGG2w1c5bg
 
Danbones
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#54
Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

Don't you have guards already? Just ban them from coming in. I'm sure they will respect that.
Are you referring to China? China does not do that! And if you don't like China, you have the EU, the Commonwealth, CANZUK if it becomes a reality? There really are a lot of choices.

Naw, China just killed 45 millions or so in four years of the great leap forward...

As to our border: It is several thousand miles long - we could put a trooper every ten or twenty Kilometers or so...


You have google, right?
 
mrjoshua
#55
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

The U.S. military drops a bomb on average every 12 minutes.
The U.S. military burns on average 10million gallons of fuel daily.
As we communicate, the U.S. military is actively bombing 7 predominately Brown/Muslim countries.

Spread the word but I don't think it will do anything. These Canadians are stubborn and in a way, I think I can see through them.

Also, Canada and the world has got to stop these evils the US is doing.... so Canada, are you going to do something?
 
mrjoshua
#56
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Naw, China just killed 45 millions or so in four years of the great leap forward...

That was a long time ago! I'm talking about now!
 
NZDoug
#57
This sweet young thang has got her shit together....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ja6_IXD0Yo
 
Serryah
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

Well it's up to you. There's the EU as an alternative.


There is, yes.

Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

Why? They are building infrastructure and developing countries all over the world, I don't understand what your problem is with them.


Three words - human rights violations.


And that's not counting all the other reasons to dislike and totally distrust China.

Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

And by the way, according to pewresearch, Canadians have a more favorable opinion of China than the US. Proof that you are indeed a minority.


Actually, not true.

https://sppga.ubc.ca/wp-content/uplo....13march19.pdf


What pew research poll showed China better than the US in approval in Canada?

Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

Remember, Canada is a democracy so when the time comes, you and your fellow minority will have to respect what the majority wants!


If I was in the minority, then yes, you're right, and I'd not like it but I'd go with it. But since it's likely that you're wrong about China...

Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

You never know.... Rebellion? Secession? Civil war? What are you going to do when that day comes?


I don't know, I won't know until the day comes. For now I just continue on continuing on, which includes worrying for my US friends and family and keep hoping that the US comes back to its senses and stops the bullshit it's doing now.

Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

Good enough reason to let them go. Would you live with someone who scares you?


Been there, done that and walked away then, too. I've let the US go as much as I, personally, an amble to, by refusing to go there and buying anything but US when I have a choice. But the issue is, we DON'T have choices sometimes.

Quote: Originally Posted by mrjoshua View Post

That's good! I like that attitude! It will be easier to let go of them then.


Honestly, I think if it came down to it, Canada WOULD walk away from the US if things got that bad. They're bad now, yes, but it's not to the level of so bad there is no changing/going back. There are enough people in the US who actually dislike how things are now that it can be changed back to sense. Cutting off our noses to spite or faces, or shooting ourselves in the foot, won't do squat at this point. Sometimes you need patience and this is one of those times.
 
NZDoug
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#59
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

There is, yes.
Three words - human rights violations.
And that's not counting all the other reasons to dislike and totally distrust China.
Actually, not true.
https://sppga.ubc.ca/wp-content/uplo....13march19.pdf
What pew research poll showed China better than the US in approval in Canada?
If I was in the minority, then yes, you're right, and I'd not like it but I'd go with it. But since it's likely that you're wrong about China...
I don't know, I won't know until the day comes. For now I just continue on continuing on, which includes worrying for my US friends and family and keep hoping that the US comes back to its senses and stops the bullshit it's doing now.
Been there, done that and walked away then, too. I've let the US go as much as I, personally, an amble to, by refusing to go there and buying anything but US when I have a choice. But the issue is, we DON'T have choices sometimes.
Honestly, I think if it came down to it, Canada WOULD walk away from the US if things got that bad. They're bad now, yes, but it's not to the level of so bad there is no changing/going back. There are enough people in the US who actually dislike how things are now that it can be changed back to sense. Cutting off our noses to spite or faces, or shooting ourselves in the foot, won't do squat at this point. Sometimes you need patience and this is one of those times.

This is a fair and reasonable approach only it will not work with a country who has a leader who constantly lies to embarrass or humiliate anything that distracts to what he is saying at that point in time.
The theft of Jerusalem is visible to all and the Muslim, Buddhah Bros. know it, China and the Oriental Club know it, and American foreign policy is shedding allies left, right and centre(center).
Lets all sing the national Drone Anthem, and give it an award for Freedom and Democracy.
"Bug Splat Me ,Baby".
 
mrjoshua
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

we DON'T have choices sometimes.

I have already mentioned numerous times, YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE! You just seem to deny it or don't see it.

And I'm sorry but you criticize the Chinese for its human rights violation but what about the violations your precious US has committed?

You are bias and you favor the US because... they came from the same people you did? Both your countries are integrated? What other reasons have your pro-yankee countrymen said around here? Are these valid reasons? I thought in Canada, justice is equal and applied to all?


Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Honestly, I think if it came down to it, Canada WOULD walk away from the US if things got that bad. They're bad now, yes, but it's not to the level of so bad there is no changing/going back.

Dear, it is bad and it has been bad for a long time now, otherwise, your fellow country wouldn't be complaining too much and the world too. Stop being naive! They are not going to change! They are not going to listen! They are not going to mend their errors. They are not going to become better people!

Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

There are enough people in the US who actually dislike how things are now that it can be changed back to sense.

How? Does this have something to do with Trump?

Sir, like in Canada, where the minority has to respect what the majority wants, the wants of other people from other countries also need to be respected.

The American people elected him in. He went through the process of getting elected. Yes it was not the majority who voted him in but in their system of government, he won! Fair and square!

And stop with these Russian conspiracy nonsense already.

NOW, if Canadians and the world cannot accept and respect that, too bad. You cannot force them do anything. That is why I propose that Canada and the world just sever ties instead. Just isolate the US already! And hopefully by then, the world will be happier and more peaceful.

It is strange that people say that the US is falling apart because of Trump. I came across a comment from an Australian saying that the American people are not ready for democracy.... no... they are and were ready. Instead of massive protests and riots and just all around civil disorder erupting all over the country, those who did not vote for him respected those who did and said "next election." That is how a functioning democracy works.

See? I am not anti-US and not bias at all. I see the good and the bad things on both sides.

Oh and sir, what if the American people voted him in again? Will you then consider my proposal?