The Queen won’t get involved in Brexit - she trusts the judgment of the people


Serryah
Free Thinker
#31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DMLt2E6o6A
 
spilledthebeer
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DMLt2E6o6A




The Queen is OBLIGATED to trust the judgement of the people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That is what it means to BE A FIGUREHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Queen would be politically slapped down if she were to take sides in the debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


She is a REFEREE..........................


and NOT ENTITLED to be one of the debaters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Blackleaf
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah

Sorry Blackie, he's not the true PM of all Britain



Sorry, but yes he is.



And this is the system that Britain has had since, I'm assuming, our first Prime Minister Robert Walpole, in office between 1721 and 1742 - the "Robinocracy". So it's rather odd you're only complaining about it now.
 
Blackleaf
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

Blackleaf you must be one of Andems friends who he just cant shake off.

Honestly you contribute nothing here, you have said some messed up stuff even compared to me.

And I've gone deep son


I'm a shadowy, underworld figure, posting here on the orders of my superiors.

As for Andem, I know he's a Brexiteer.
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Sorry, but yes he is.



And this is the system that Britain has had since, I'm assuming, our first Prime Minister Robert Walpole, in office between 1721 and 1742 - the "Robinocracy". So it's rather odd you're only complaining about it now.


He's a popularity shill, someone put in his place because he was popular enough to win the votes of his party.


That doesn't make him a true PM, not until he's had a GE, and won it.


And thinking I've not said anything like this before is idiotic, but then that's normal coming from you.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#36  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

I'm a shadowy, underworld figure, posting here on the orders of my superiors.
As for Andem, I know he's a Brexiteer.

Dinsdale Piranha?
 
spilledthebeer
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Sorry, but yes he is.



And this is the system that Britain has had since, I'm assuming, our first Prime Minister Robert Walpole, in office between 1721 and 1742 - the "Robinocracy". So it's rather odd you're only complaining about it now.




LIE-berals ONLY COMPLAIN.......................................... ..


when things DONT GO their way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is why Our iiot Boy Justin was so strongly supportive of Electoral Reform!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy was frantically hoping to get his electoral CRAP..........................................


in place before the October 2019 election...........................


so that our Parliament would be PARALYZED.........................................


with LIE-berals left in nominal control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals know that the BEST WAY to deflect anger over their IDIOT GOALS..................................


is to be part of a coalition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!


With a Coalition in place then LIE-berals can shrug and tell us:


"we had to compromise with the radicals in order to gain consensus"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Meaning LIE-berals TRYING TO RIG our govt to ensure..................................


that ONLY PEOPLE EVEN MORE CRAZY THAN LIE-berals................................


would get elected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy has been mostly SILENT..................................


as the Beijing Butchers BATTER DESPERATE PROTESTORS in Hong Kong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Beijing wants to ERASE the policy of "One country - two systems" that was put in place.........................................


to make it easier to get Hong Kong and Singapore re-integrated into the Chinese slave labour camp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


People in Hong Kong and Singapore got 100 years of experience of western style govt and business policy........................


and THEY WANT IT TO CONTINUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


But Beijing Butchers are EMBARRASSED by the special deal they felt obligated to offer to Hong Kong and Singapore.................


so Beijing is slowly eroding the deal- producing RAGE in Hong Kong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


While Our idiot Boy FRETS over the loss of respect his Beijing Buddies are enduring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy has TOLD US "he admires the basic democracy of the Chinese"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And he has told us "he likes the way the Chinese get things done"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And papa Pierre Trudeau PUBLICLY REFERRED TO "the genius of Chinese Chairman Mao in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One would think Our idiot Boy Justin would be more careful about offering support for the Beijing Butchers...........................


since his father has PUBLICLY PRAISED CHINESE MASS MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


But how sad that aspiring Soviet Socialist Dictators like Our idiot Boy............................................


NEVER SEE ANY PROFIT in tact or diplomacy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Dinsdale Piranha?




LOLOL!

Wonder how many others got that. I, for one, love that skit.
 
Blackleaf
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

He's a popularity shill, someone put in his place because he was popular enough to win the votes of his party.

Well that's democracy for you. That's the word we use for such a thing.
Quote:

That doesn't make him a true PM

Boris Johnson is, as we all know, Prime Minister. He is according to the political system we've had in this country for a long time. Johnson is the PM just as much as Winston Churchill, John Major, Gordon Brown and, of course, Theresa May were when they came to power without a general election.

I think it's a bit weird that some people suddenly think it's a bit odd that Johnson has become PM without an election when it's actually the norm in Britain. In fact, since 1900 most British PMs have come to power without an election - including three of the last four. Of the 28 PMs since 1900 - including those who have served more than once - 17 of them became PM without an election.

And yet, all of a sudden, you and a few others suddenly seem shocked and surprised and angry at Johnson becoming PM this way!


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There also isn’t a requirement for the Prime Minister to have won a general election as a party leader before they come into office, or to stay in office.

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Political parties select their leaders in various ways, but most include a vote of their members.

That is the system that Britain has had for a log time. It's also the system Canada has. Yet it seems you've only just realised this.
 
Blackleaf
#40
May became PM without an election on 13th July 2016, and she didn't hold a General Election until 11 months later - 8th June 2017. I don't recall anyone complaining about that.


Brown became PM without an election in 2007 but it was three years later when he first faced a General Election - and he lost it. Throughout his entire term of office he didn't win one election. But I don't recall there being uproar.


Then Johnson becomes PM without having faced an election - just like most British PMs since 1900 - and people are complaining!
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#41
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

May became PM without an election on 13th July 2016, and she didn't hold a General Election until 11 months later - 8th June 2017. I don't recall anyone complaining about that.
Brown became PM without an election in 2007 but it was three years later when he first faced a General Election - and he lost it. Throughout his entire term of office he didn't win one election. But I don't recall there being uproar.
Then Johnson becomes PM without having faced an election - just like most British PMs since 1900 - and people are complaining!

Well, that's democracy, I guess.

If you're stupid.
 
Blackleaf
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Well, that's democracy, I guess.

If you're stupid.

That's our parliamentary system. We have a parliamentary system, not a presidential system.

Talking of democracy, you currently have a president who didn't actually win the last election in terms of number of votes.

The American system can be said to be more undemocratic than the British one. The British elect a party, not the PM. We almost always have the party governing who won the most votes and seats in the election. Whereas America is currently, and often, led by the party and man who did NOT win the most votes.
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Serryah
Free Thinker
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Well that's democracy for you. That's the word we use for such a thing.


Boris Johnson is, as we all know, Prime Minister. He is according to the political system we've had in this country for a long time. Johnson is the PM just as much as Winston Churchill, John Major, Gordon Brown and, of course, Theresa May were when they came to power without a general election.

I think it's a bit weird that some people suddenly think it's a bit odd that Johnson has become PM without an election when it's actually the norm in Britain. In fact, since 1900 most British PMs have come to power without an election - including three of the last four. Of the 28 PMs since 1900 - including those who have served more than once - 17 of them became PM without an election.

And yet, all of a sudden, you and a few others suddenly seem shocked and surprised and angry at Johnson becoming PM this way!


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Boris Johnson has won the latest contest to be leader of the Conservative Party and, as a result, he has become Prime Minister without winning a general election.

But how common is this, and what does it actually mean to have an “unelected” Prime Minister?

‘Electing’ Prime Ministers
Firstly, it’s important to note that UK voters don’t elect a Prime Minister directly.

There also isn’t a requirement for the Prime Minister to have won a general election as a party leader before they come into office, or to stay in office.

Voters select a Member of Parliament (MP) to represent their constituency. Prime Ministers are officially appointed by the Queen, and stay in office as long as they can command the confidence of the House of Commons (or until the next election).

This is usually the MP who leads the party with the most seats in the House of Commons, or who can unite a coalition of MPs or parties into a working majority.

Political parties select their leaders in various ways, but most include a vote of their members.

That is the system that Britain has had for a log time. It's also the system Canada has. Yet it seems you've only just realised this.


You're right, to all of it.

And I despise the system we have.

I have for a long time wished we COULD elect our PM, outside of the party. Party should not equal leader.

So yes, I DID have issues with May as your PM. Until she called the election and was voted in by the general public.

I was indifferent to her before then because I thought she was a moron and really wasn't gonna do anything for your country. Turns out I was right.

BoJo is a totally different monster than May, and worth being vocal about.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

The American system can be said to be more undemocratic than the British one.

Of course. Everything in the world is inferior to Britain.

Your whataboutery is tedious.
 
Blackleaf
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

BoJo is a totally different monster than May, and worth being vocal about.

Well that's subjective, merely a matter of opinion.

I think it would be rather wrong to change our political system whenever someone becomes PM that YOU don't like.

Typical Lefty: "I don't like the person who has become PM, so I want to change the political system to ensure that only people I want as PM become PM. Forget about democracy. Democracy is a bad thing because sometimes it doesn't go the way I want it to go."

And, yes, Johnson is very different from May: He intends, unlike her, to honour the referendum result. You know the word for it: democracy. I didn't realise that being a democrat made you a "monster".
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