ABEXIT - is it time for Alberta to think about leaving Canada?


petros
+3
#961
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

That is about a rail connection from Alaska to the lower 48, as a bonus they will market McMurry Sludge for Alberta. Why own it when you can just rape us at will??

Most of the export cargo going through Vancouver is from the Prairies. I have to pay the freight on my grain, if Anchorage is cheaper so be it. It goes through Anchorage. Why would I pay more to ship through Vancouver?
 
MHz
#962
Wages of the admin compared to the Indians who are doing the folding.
 
petros
+2
#963
BTW; just east of McMurray is a massive REE deposit.

Look up Hoidas Lk.
 
petros
+1
#964
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Wages of the admin compared to the Indians who are doing the folding.

I never knew Bi-Curious Canadian was from India.
 
Curious Cdn
+1
#965
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I never knew Bi-Curious Canadian was from India.

I never knew that Petros had been lobotomized.
 
MHz
#966
Living example of why a pusher shouldn't do his own product.
 
NZDoug
#967
Wild Bill Clinton informed the Quebec Separatist party that America preferred a united Canada, back in 90s.
Also, speak English, and enjoy those freedom fries.
 
Hoid
#968
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I never knew that Petros had been lobotomized.

it was micro surgery
 
MHz
#969
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

it was micro surgery

What was pete's circumcision for $0.10 Alexia?
 
captain morgan
+4
#970
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

If BC doesn't allow them to transit their land with a pipeline, the oil continues to go South, except that the Americans will not stand for any sort of surcharge from Alberta, slapped on it. So they will get less for their oil, less political clout as a 51st and not particularly rich, powerful nor populace state.

I can hear the complaining, already. "It's so unfair! It's our Right to be rich!"


No Fed taxes to Ottawa heavily offsets that situation


Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The ice cap is advancing, remember?


Ice free North pole since 2013... haven't you heard?


Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Yup after being forced in Canada why wouldn't it be?

No Crown = No Treaties

No Treaties = Freedom.

The Dene would love to get rid of the Cree who invaded their land and took them slaves.


No Fed taxes.. Can you imagine the new found profitability with an extra +30% cash in your jeans?



Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I Think that you should be rounded up and arrested for sedition.


You'll be needing a bunch of these




Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I'm a engineer


i stopped reading right there.


Clearly fantasy and extreme fiction are your thing
 
petros
+2
#971
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I never knew Bi-Curious Canadian was from India.

Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I never knew that Petros had been lobotomized.

3rd person?

Go home Mr Lahey, you're drunk.
 
captain morgan
+2
#972
 
JLM
#973
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

If BC doesn't allow them to transit their land with a pipeline, the oil continues to go South, except that the Americans will not stand for any sort of surcharge from Alberta, slapped on it. So they will get less for their oil, less political clout as a 51st and not particularly rich, powerful nor populace state.

I can hear the complaining, already. "It's so unfair! It's our Right to be rich!"


Are you sure you meant "populace" and not "populous"?
 
petros
+4
#974
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

No Fed taxes to Ottawa heavily offsets that situation
Ice free North pole since 2013... haven't you heard?
No Fed taxes.. Can you imagine the new found profitability with an extra +30% cash in your jeans?

Property Rights and Mineral Rights for all with an equity stake and roytalties for FNs wouldn't be a hard sell.
 
JLM
+1
#975
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

You think NWT and YT are are going to give up such a huge opportunity?

Ever heard of Seattle? Far bigger port than Vancouver.

We'll take a couple of ice breakers we bought with us.


Port Metro Vancouver is Canada's largest and most diversified Port and the largest export port in North America. Each year, it trades $172 billion in goods – or one-fifth of Canada's trade – with more than 160 trading economies.
 
B00Mer
+2
#976
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I never knew Bi-Curious Canadian was from India.

Classic Bi-Curious Cdn
 
JLM
#977
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I never knew that Petros had been lobotomized.


Too bad it couldn't be added to your brain...………………………….you'd be twice as smart!
 
Hoid
#978
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

You think NWT and YT are are going to give up such a huge opportunity?

Ever heard of Seattle? Far bigger port than Vancouver.

We'll take a couple of ice breakers we bought with us.

lol the port of Seattle is nothing.

you know as much about Seattle as you know about Manitoba - which is to say nothing.
 
captain morgan
+2
#979
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Port Metro Vancouver is Canada's largest and most diversified Port and the largest export port in North America. Each year, it trades $172 billion in goods – or one-fifth of Canada's trade – with more than 160 trading economies.


Somewhere between 30-40% of YVR's Port exports are sourced out of the prairie regions.With a disruption of this flow, YVR's port will have dramatically different financials that will reflect in employment, taxation, etc.


The message is that everyone has a gun to each other's heads where BC can refuse exporting certain things and other provinces can conceivably can opt to ship out of Seattle.
 
spilledthebeer
#980
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Still not a jet.




I say if some idiot wants to play with electric TOY air planes........................................


then let him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just so long as THERE IS NO PUBLIC MONEY..........................................


put into this crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Private people are entitled to waste THEIR OWN MONEY..................................


as they see fit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its only a problem when the rest of us get FORCED to participate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


And as it happens National Geographic Magazine..........


did an article about 20 years ago about......................


a SOLAR POWERED air plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


To bad it ONLY HAD ONE SEAT..........................


since its pay load was SO SMALL........................


DUE to being grossly UNDER POWERED.......................



and as I recall it was hugely costly to build because of all the light weight composite materials...........................


and could not fly at all in strong head winds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Electric TOYS offer EITHER short range speed.....................



or long range at the speed of an arthritic SNAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Electric Toys NEVER OFFER BOTH SPEED AND RANGE!!



And electric TOYS HAVE NO cargo capacity.........................


at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
petros
+2
#981
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Port Metro Vancouver is Canada's largest and most diversified Port and the largest export port in North America. Each year, it trades $172 billion in goods – or one-fifth of Canada's trade – with more than 160 trading economies.

Would PMV (Surrey,Delta Port Moody, Vancouver North Vancouver) be the largest export port without potash and grain?

Where would be without those two commodities? BC or WA?
Last edited by petros; 1 week ago at 12:51 PM..
 
petros
+2
#982
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

lol the port of Seattle is nothing.
you know as much about Seattle as you know about Manitoba - which is to say nothing.

Nothing but moves 8 million more TEUs per year?

Can I add Tacoma, Everett, Bellingham and the rest of the Northwest Port Alliance or do we compare PMV to just Seatlle?
Last edited by petros; 1 week ago at 12:51 PM..
 
petros
+3
#983
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Somewhere between 30-40% of YVR's Port exports are sourced out of the prairie regions.With a disruption of this flow, YVR's port will have dramatically different financials that will reflect in employment, taxation, etc.
The message is that everyone has a gun to each other's heads where BC can refuse exporting certain things and other provinces can conceivably can opt to ship out of Seattle.

And the other Vancouver. Add the UGG terminal in Vancouver WA and things change dramatically.
 
JLM
#984
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Would PMV (Surrey,Delta Port Moody, Vancouver North Vancouver) be the largest export port without potash and grain?

Where would be without those two commodities? BC or WA?


Off the top I would guess B.C. Just for fun I'm going to check the value of Potash exports, which I'm guessing isn't even 1/10 of 1% of BC exports. Are we still shipping wheat to China?


Potash price averaged $354 per ton in August 2018, $29 per ton higher than the $325 price in 2017. The September 2018 price was $357 per ton, $37 per ton higher than the $320 price in 2017. The 2018 prices still are below 2009-2018 averages of $482 in August and $481 in September.


Value of potash shipped from Canada (all ports) $6.7 billion annually.
Last edited by JLM; 1 week ago at 02:23 PM..
 
Hoid
+1
#985
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Nothing but moves 8 million more TEUs per year?

Can I add Tacoma, Everett, Bellingham and the rest of the Northwest Port Alliance or do we compare PMV to just Seatlle?

Seattle total trade 20.5 million short tons

Vancouver total trade 147 million metric tons

Vancouver ships more freight in a month than Seattle does in a year

BTW no American coal allowed out of Seattle - do you honestly think they are going to allow Alberta bitumen?
 
JLM
#986
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Seattle total trade 20.5 million short tons

Vancouver total trade 147 million metric tons

Vancouver ships more freight in a month than Seattle does in a year

BTW no American coal allowed out of Seattle - do you honestly think they are going to allow Alberta bitumen?


Not really surprising when you consider Canada has possibly 6 main ports, which is likely fewer than Calif. alone.
 
JLM
#987
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

lol the port of Seattle is nothing.

you know as much about Seattle as you know about Manitoba - which is to say nothing.


Try not to be an asshole...………..you can simply say "you are mistaken about Seattle", so you are not hammering home your own ignorance!
 
petros
+2
#988
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Off the top I would guess B.C. Just for fun I'm going to check the value of Potash exports, which I'm guessing isn't even 1/10 of 1% of BC exports. Are we still shipping wheat to China?
Potash price averaged $354 per ton in August 2018, $29 per ton higher than the $325 price in 2017. The September 2018 price was $357 per ton, $37 per ton higher than the $320 price in 2017. The 2018 prices still are below 2009-2018 averages of $482 in August and $481 in September.
Value of potash shipped from Canada (all ports) $6.7 billion annually.

Price is irrelevant. Tonnage and TEUs are the metrics that matter.
 
petros
+1
#989
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Seattle total trade 20.5 million short tons
Vancouver total trade 147 million metric tons
Vancouver ships more freight in a month than Seattle does in a year
BTW no American coal allowed out of Seattle - do you honestly think they are going to allow Alberta bitumen?

Are you comparing Metro Port Vancouver which Roberts Bank is part of to just Seattle instead of the Northwest Seaport Alliance? I'd say so.

Tankers in and out of Puget Sound don't care about content.

Want to try again on MB too?
Last edited by petros; 1 week ago at 04:54 PM..
 
Hoid
#990
you couldn't ship a gallon of that Alberta crud out of Seattle

they don't want it

and no Im not comparing Seattle to Vancouver because they are not comparable. Vancouver is a major port, seattle is not.