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Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#901
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Actually we didn't in some areas.

Mine, for example, had a Liberal observer think they were part of the elections board, as well as election workers themselves, tell local students they couldn't/weren't allowed to vote when they had every right to..

Students had to call the board office and complain, as well as our local MLA who got right on it and made sure they knew they were allowed to vote.

Not sure if it was from improper training or what but our area doesn't need a reputation that it has issues with Students voting considering the student numbers we have.

we in the west , don't get all that detail , so our impression was that the process went rather smoothly Go figure. Thanks for the facts / reality ..
 
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Girth
+2
#902
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

I think she indicated a while back she voted Green or at least supported her local Green MLA who won re-election.

A vote for the Green Party is a wasted vote.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#903
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Good that you think that.
When there's a mass exodus of nurses and other medical people out of NB because Higgs won't pay them, you can blame him for more "Easterners" taking Western Jobs.
After all, Higgs did tell people if they don't want to work for the pay they get now, move to Alberta.

Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

And yet most of us DON'T want to have to be bailed out.
Of course no one in the West seems to get that.
Why do you think so many move West? It's so they don't have to be 'bailed out' by the Feds.
But those of us who stay hate it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

To keep the nurses rates up that the province can't afford

Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Your stupidity and ignorance is on full display TM.

And where do you think I got the idea from? Weren't you threatening nurses would leave if they don't get their money while at the same time saying you don't want Oil dollars bailing you out?
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#904
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

we in the west , don't get all that detail , so our impression was that the process went rather smoothly Go figure. Thanks for the facts / reality ..


I think it might depend who you listen to. Locally that was a problem we had. I'd heard of other issues elsewhere so...

Maybe overall it went okay, but maybe I'm also being biased since I despise Higgs.
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#905
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

And where do you think I got the idea from? Weren't you threatening nurses would leave if they don't get their money while at the same time saying you don't want Oil dollars bailing you out?


Actually I said our PREMIER suggested nurses move out west if they wanted more money than they currently make in NB, despite doing the same jobs as those in Alberta.

My point was people don't WANT to have to move.

And we DON'T want to be bailed out. By the way, it's not just "oil" dollars... stop with that whole BS that's all where it goes to.

But successive governments do SFA to even try to bring NB up to a level that's helpful.
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
+1
#906
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

A vote for the Green Party is a wasted vote.




Considering our MLA got elected in, and has done an amazing job... hardly wasted.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#907
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I think it might depend who you listen to. Locally that was a problem we had. I'd heard of other issues elsewhere so...

Maybe overall it went okay, but maybe I'm also being biased since I despise Higgs.

Your honesty is delightfully refreshing.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#908
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Actually I said our PREMIER suggested nurses move out west if they wanted more money than they currently make in NB, despite doing the same jobs as those in Alberta.
My point was people don't WANT to have to move.
And we DON'T want to be bailed out. By the way, it's not just "oil" dollars... stop with that whole BS that's all where it goes to.
But successive governments do SFA to even try to bring NB up to a level that's helpful.

Sounds like he wants to get spending under control, why are the nurses asking for more money than the province can afford? You can't make the same money as Alberta nurses without taking Petro bucks from Have Oil provinces period.
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
+1
#909
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Your honesty is delightfully refreshing.


I'd say I'm biasedly attempting to be honest.
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
+1
#910
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Sounds like he wants to get spending under control, why are the nurses asking for more money than the province can afford? You can't make the same money as Alberta nurses without taking Petro bucks from Have Oil provinces period.


There's not enough nurses in NB as it is, because it won't offer up reasonable wages compared to the rest of Canada. NB has the lowest pay rate for nurses anywhere.

It's worse for Nursing Home Workers.

It's not a matter of spending. It's hellishly more complicated than just 'cut and don't spend'.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#911
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I work my ass off every year, pay my taxes every year and it's not enough.
It won't ever be.
Just like a lot of others in the province.
We've had mismanagement with every government elected since I can remember, both Liberal and Con - since that's ALL that's ever elected to be Premier here - and not ONE of them has done anything to fix the bail out issue.
So no, I DON'T grudgingly or otherwise accept it year over year over year. I've tried to vote for people who wanted to end this BS. Took me a long time to realize that there are certain people who don't want it to end, and THOSE people are the ones in power.
They'd rather take the hand-outs than do what they need to do.
Part of the problem of NB is the French and English split. Every election you can almost guarantee the results because French vote Liberal, English vote Conservative, with only a few rare cases diverging.
But it's also one of those you gotta live here to get it things. Pretty sure very few here will give a shit, they just think we can up and stop getting the Fed help.

More probably most of them are convinced federal help will come forever so there is no need to worry.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#912
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Actually we didn't in some areas.
Mine, for example, had a Liberal observer think they were part of the elections board, as well as election workers themselves, tell local students they couldn't/weren't allowed to vote when they had every right to..
Students had to call the board office and complain, as well as our local MLA who got right on it and made sure they knew they were allowed to vote.
Not sure if it was from improper training or what but our area doesn't need a reputation that it has issues with Students voting considering the student numbers we have.

Could be either/both. Election training is rushed and there are only a few people that do it often enough to really understand the rules. I once got screwed out of voting because no one in the polling place I got to understood the rules even though I tried to explain it to them. Didn't even have a copy of all the rules there. Our riding is about 3 hrs drive from end to end and I simply didn't have time to drive all the way home.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#913
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Sounds like he wants to get spending under control, why are the nurses asking for more money than the province can afford? You can't make the same money as Alberta nurses without taking Petro bucks from Have Oil provinces period.

Or the cost of living that goes with it. The federal government has different pay scales for the same job in different regions based on the Cost of Living.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+2
#914
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

There's not enough nurses in NB as it is, because it won't offer up reasonable wages compared to the rest of Canada. NB has the lowest pay rate for nurses anywhere.
It's worse for Nursing Home Workers.
It's not a matter of spending. It's hellishly more complicated than just 'cut and don't spend'.

Not enough nurses in BC either. But as I mentioned above the cost of living eats up the higher wage and then some. Don't expect your local union leaders to mention it though.
 
Girth
#915
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

There's not enough nurses in NB as it is, because it won't offer up reasonable wages compared to the rest of Canada. NB has the lowest pay rate for nurses anywhere.
It's worse for Nursing Home Workers.
It's not a matter of spending. It's hellishly more complicated than just 'cut and don't spend'.

Is the economic situation improving over there? What happened to all the call centers that Frank McKenna brought in?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+2
#916
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

Is the economic situation improving over there? What happened to all the call centers that Frank McKenna brought in?

The long gun registry was canned .
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#917
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

There's not enough nurses in NB as it is, because it won't offer up reasonable wages compared to the rest of Canada. NB has the lowest pay rate for nurses anywhere.
It's worse for Nursing Home Workers.
It's not a matter of spending. It's hellishly more complicated than just 'cut and don't spend'.

On average it looks like you are making more than Ont. and Que. a couple of bucks less than BC and Sask. and the same as the rest of the Atlantic coast. But yeah let's get paid on the high end of the scale since your province is getting money from them anyway, phuck 'em good

https://www.livingin-canada.com/sala...ed-nurses.html
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#918
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

On average it looks like you are making more than Ont. and Que. a couple of bucks less than BC and Sask. and the same as the rest of the Atlantic coast. But yeah let's get paid on the high end of the scale since your province is getting money from them anyway, phuck 'em good

https://www.livingin-canada.com/sala...ed-nurses.html


Wasn't talking just RN's... Higgs said this to an LPN but I suppose to you the LPN's aren't nurses?

Not asking for high end either.

But I know it won't matter to you.

The PC's will, as they always do. shit on NB. Just like the Liberals would have if they'd gotten into power.

Guess you guys will have to keep paying us out, even if we don't like it. (not that you believe that but then you are a fuking moron)
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#919
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Wasn't talking just RN's... Higgs said this to an LPN but I suppose to you the LPN's aren't nurses?
Not asking for high end either.
But I know it won't matter to you.
The PC's will, as they always do. shit on NB. Just like the Liberals would have if they'd gotten into power.
Guess you guys will have to keep paying us out, even if we don't like it. (not that you believe that but then you are a fuking moron)

You asked for Alta's wages which is the 3rd highest rate, you are $2/hour under Canadian LPN median rate still higher than Quebec. What is the average skilled labor rate in your province? More than construction labor for sure

https://www.payscale.com/research/CA...w-Brunswick-NB

From basic calculations you are around $50-55K a year equivalent to software developers, more than administration execs, retail store managers, accountants but less than executive directors average wages, not to bad for your province no?

https://www.payscale.com/research/CA...unswick/Salary

Oh BTW do you think you should be making more than Newfoundland? They are $3/hr higher than you and paying into equalization that your province collects from.
Last edited by Twin_Moose; 1 week ago at 11:34 AM..
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#920
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

You asked for Alta's wages which is the 3rd highest rate, you are $2/hour under Canadian LPN median rate still higher than Quebec. What is the average skilled labor rate in your province? More than construction labor for sure


Didn't ask for Alberta's wages. You obviously missed the entire effing point of the post originally. It's not about what people make in Alberta, it's that our own Goddamn Premier is telling people to move to Alberta if they don't like what they make here.

Sorry that concept seems to be okay for you - for a lot of us who live in NB, and love our province, that was beyond disgusting.

My other point was that if that's the mentality of our new government, people out west can STFU about people here moving out there. Have an issue with it, talk to our leadership and the fukheads who keep electing the assholes, not those of us who stay behind and work our asses off because we might love our province.



Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Oh BTW do you think you should be making more than Newfoundland? They are $3/hr higher than you and paying into equalization that your province collects from.


You know what, you keep being an effing moron. I've answered this question, asking it different ways will not change the goddamn answer.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#921
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Actually I said our PREMIER suggested nurses move out west if they wanted more money than they currently make in NB, despite doing the same jobs as those in Alberta.
My point was people don't WANT to have to move.
And we DON'T want to be bailed out. By the way, it's not just "oil" dollars... stop with that whole BS that's all where it goes to.
But successive governments do SFA to even try to bring NB up to a level that's helpful.

Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

There's not enough nurses in NB as it is, because it won't offer up reasonable wages compared to the rest of Canada. NB has the lowest pay rate for nurses anywhere.
It's worse for Nursing Home Workers.
It's not a matter of spending. It's hellishly more complicated than just 'cut and don't spend'.

Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Wasn't talking just RN's... Higgs said this to an LPN but I suppose to you the LPN's aren't nurses?
Not asking for high end either.
But I know it won't matter to you.
The PC's will, as they always do. shit on NB. Just like the Liberals would have if they'd gotten into power.
Guess you guys will have to keep paying us out, even if we don't like it. (not that you believe that but then you are a fuking moron)

Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Didn't ask for Alberta's wages. You obviously missed the entire effing point of the post originally. It's not about what people make in Alberta, it's that our own Goddamn Premier is telling people to move to Alberta if they don't like what they make here.
Sorry that concept seems to be okay for you - for a lot of us who live in NB, and love our province, that was beyond disgusting.
My other point was that if that's the mentality of our new government, people out west can STFU about people here moving out there. Have an issue with it, talk to our leadership and the fukheads who keep electing the assholes, not those of us who stay behind and work our asses off because we might love our province.
You know what, you keep being an effing moron. I've answered this question, asking it different ways will not change the goddamn answer.

But you are asking for more money, I pointed out top end (Alberta) as a RN, then you said LPN, I responded 3rd highest (Alberta), how much of a raise that your province can't afford are you looking for?

Is it fair to ask for money from NFLD (have province paying into equalization) and ask for higher wages than they pay for their nurses?

Any raise will be by Petro buck or by borrowing since your province is carrying a deficit, by calling me a phucking moron will not change the fact.

p.s. I have never called you a derogatory name, why the need to call me one when you are trying to side step a simple question of how much of a raise are you looking for?
 
bob the dog
+2
#922
One bad thing about healthcare remuneration is that the money attracts people who wouldn;t do the job for anything other than money and the profession is watered down. Nurses used to be interested in nursing and the pay was secondary.

Thing about how much they make is that the next layer up always bases their package on the lower range package so they don't really care. Patients are commodities.
 
Hoid
#923
The thing about healthcare is that they never have enough people.
 
petros
+1
#924
Not enough sick people?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#925
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Not enough sick people?

People with money.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
+1
#926
Former prime minister John Turner dies at 91

https://globalnews.ca/news/7346135/j..._campaign=2020
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
#927
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Former prime minister John Turner dies at 91
https://globalnews.ca/news/7346135/j..._campaign=2020

Well that will save the taxpayers a few bucks.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#928
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Former prime minister John Turner dies at 91

https://globalnews.ca/news/7346135/j..._campaign=2020

He would not recognize today’s Liberal party.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+2
#929
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

He would not recognize today’s Liberal party.

Probably not. Although I found him to be a disappointment as PM he at least didn't cause any lasting damage to the economy, unlike the liberals that came both before and after him.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#930
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Well that will save the taxpayers a few bucks.

so cynical

My goodness, he was so good looking. to a distraction.
 

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