The 'Official' Quit Picking On Trump Thread


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JLM
No Party Affiliation
#1651
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmom View Post

Thank you for that information. I'm always interested to learn the hows and whys.
I have heard several reports that certain delegates are going to vote their conscience. It wouldn't surprise me if some of hem vote for future favors, either.

We have an American couple as friends and they cannot agree on the election. Strangely enough, she is for Trump and her husband is for Clinton. They have decided not to discuss it any more, go to the polls and not talk about how they voted.
I don't know what I would do if my husband and I disagreed like that. I think I would just say, 'yes dear, you're right' and then go and vote the way I wanted.
Not worth fighting over!


Sounds familiar- my wife and granddaughters are all for Crooked Hillary, but hey, what do they know? The B---- is as transparent as glass!
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#1652
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#1653
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post


Now now, Cliffy, you are getting Catty. : )
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
-1
#1654
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#1655
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Evangelical contortions to support Donald Trump are a travesty against Christianity



Many religious leaders are causing the destruction of religion itself. Why? Many have merged politics, religion, and capitalism as the definition of Christianity itself. It’s true that Pope Francis is attempting to reintroduce a lost morality, but he is only one man—and he may be too late to reach American Evangelicals.

Evangelicals contort themselves into knots to find justifications to vote for Donald Trump and consider him one of their own. Still, conservative radio personality Steve Deace described him as anathema to all their values in a piece he wrote warning Christian leaders about the hypocrisy of voting for Donald Trump.

Furthermore, the Scriptures make clear the qualifications for public office:

Moreover, look for able men from all the people, men who fear God, who are trustworthy and hate a bribe, and place such men over the people as chiefs of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties, and of tens.

There is simply no way to avoid the conclusion that Trump violates every syllable of these requirements.

Now that we’ve addressed the biblical case, what about the moral one?

Trump is a scam artist.
Trump is a gossip.
Trump is a slanderer.
Trump is a misogynist.
Trump is an adulterer.
Trump is a deceiver.
Trump is a liar.
Deace forgot to include the fact that Trump is an unfettered capitalist. To Donald Trump, capitalism is not a tool but an ideology, his religion. While it can serve us well as a tool when controlled, as a religion it is anathema to humanity.

But then, many evangelical pastors have validated capitalism as a God-sanctioned and divine economic decree.

David Hope, pastor of the Word of Life Church in Texas, wrote an essay in the Kingwood Observer that would give Pope Francis pause. The piece, titled “Jesus is not a socialist,” was an attempt not only to justify the severe inequities of unfettered capitalism, but to promote them.

Hope tried to justify an unequal pie with the following statement.

Capitalism is like the kingdom of God. Everyone has an opportunity to make it to the top, but there won’t be equal outcomes. When government tries to manufacture equal outcomes, it brings everyone down. As people concentrate on the sizes of the pieces of the pie, the pie just keeps getting smaller. All the pieces get smaller and equal outcomes are still not achieved.
His simplistic statement does not take into account that those with inherited or ill-gained capital have a built-in advantage that, barring redistribution through taxes or some other method, is unsustainable. Had Jesus seen the crowds as undeserving, he would have extracted the last pittance for his magical fish and bread.

David Hope then makes a very disingenuous statement based on today's reality.

Capitalism is the most compassionate system. Capitalism is the best way to reduce poverty. It gives every man a chance to succeed, and it promotes wealth into the hands of those who serve others and have a heart to give to those less fortunate.

It increases individual wealth, thus allowing individuals to give out of their increase. God has designed the needs of the poor to be met by Christians, not by the government. Government’s bureaucratic shuffling of wealth accomplishes nothing.
Where in the tenets of capitalism are humanity, compassion, and generosity mentioned? Does Donald Trump fit the profile? Has he empowered and enriched others? Or did he simply use others as commodities to support his lifestyle of legalized theft? The pastor pulled a verifiable lie out of the air to misinform those who view his statements as fact.

This form of thinking is prevalent throughout the evangelical realm in the United States. It has taken too long for the Christian class to speak up about the destruction unfettered capitalism renders on the poor, the environment, and the world structure. The beloved Pope blasted the door wide open with his justifiable attack.

But then there is always the next media darling, ready to justify a system of legalized theft and commoditized humanity. Dave Ramsey thinks it’s heresy not to see a biblical justification for the wealthy few. Why is it heresy, according to him? Because God owns it all. He simply anointed a select few as managers of the wealth. Dave Ramsey made some other rather strange statements.

“This is about when you do things biblical with money,” Ramsey said. “You will end up with the responsibility to manage money for the kingdom.” He says this with authority and a straight face. Has he forgotten the thousands of investment bankers, loan officers, and investors who got rich and remain rich by pilfering the middle class, even as they brought the world’s economy to collapse? Are those God’s money managers? Is it really heresy to call them all out?

Many on the right get perturbed when one points out that Donald Trump is their creation. He absorbed the dichotomy of the right’s ideology and became its personification. Yes, it is incoherent. Yes, it is self-oppositional. But that is the evangelical right, now an outgrowth of the Powell Manifesto. It’s the right as brought to you by Donald Trump—and it may mean the eventual demise of religion.




Evangelical contortions to support Donald Trump are a travesty against Christianity




Nothing Christian about Trump but he has deceived many far right delusionals into believing he represents biblical values.

Get some help Gopher, it's so sad to see you grovil.


Swim in dirt.

And you breath that stuff.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#1656
Beav, you've been sinking your head in night dirt if you believe the horseshtt that Dump is some kind of savior.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#1657
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Beav, you've been sinking your head in night dirt if you believe the horseshtt that Dump is some kind of savior.

DUMP DON'T INTEREST ME AT ALL. i JUST THINK aMERICANS WOULD BE BETTER SERVED BY SOMEONE IN POSETION OF THIER FACALTIES. tHE WOMAN IS BRAIN DEAD. i WON'T TRY TO INBFLUANCE YOUR4 DEMOCRATIC RIGHT, i DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#1658
Oh, I see. It is very cleer now. I theenk.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#1659
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Oh, I see. It is very cleer now. I theenk.


tHEENKING RULES GOPH, YOU KNOW THAT, have you got a woman yet?
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#1660
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Now now, Cliffy, you are getting Catty. : )

So, what do you think of Trump's ethics? Let's forget his racism, sexism, and general creepiness for the moment, how 'bout his ethics?

Like the piano dealer he stiffed?

Like the window washer he stiffed?

Like his long track record of making contracts, getting the work done for him, then saying "I'll pay you something less than I agreed. If you don't like it, sue me."

Now, I'm sure you already have the reply screen up, and are a half-dozen lines into your screed on Clinton's ethics. Erase it. The question was about Trump's ethics. If your only answer is a tu quoque fallacy, don't embarrass yourself and bore me.
 
davesmom
+2
#1661
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

So, what do you think of Trump's ethics? Let's forget his racism, sexism, and general creepiness for the moment, how 'bout his ethics?

Like the piano dealer he stiffed?

Like the window washer he stiffed?

Like his long track record of making contracts, getting the work done for him, then saying "I'll pay you something less than I agreed. If you don't like it, sue me."

Now, I'm sure you already have the reply screen up, and are a half-dozen lines into your screed on Clinton's ethics. Erase it. The question was about Trump's ethics. If your only answer is a tu quoque fallacy, don't embarrass yourself and bore me.



I would like to see some actual proof of the allegations against Trump. Someone saying, 'he did this or that to me' is not proof; it is at best indicative of a misunderstanding or disagreement. There have been tens of thousands of workers of all kinds who have worked for Trump and have no complaint or have even praised him.
All of these allegations are nothing more than political propaganda, imo, and I see the proof of that every time I listen to CNN.

For example, people still go on about his 'fight' with the Khan family. I never could see what he said that was insulting of demeaning.


Another example; they are now saying he called victims of PTS 'weak. Well that's not what he said at all. I heard what he said. it was, 'Some are stronger and not bothered by what they have seen, some are weaker and can't deal with it'.
That is nothing but a fact. . It is in no way demeaning to those who are affected by it.


Then there are the critics who attack his methods of doing business. As Trump himself said, he did what any smart business man would do according to the law. He was working in the best interests of his companies, his investors, his family, his workers. But he said, 'I am not working for myself anymore; now I am working for YOU.'
What's wrong with that?


If previous administrations had been working for the people rather than their own interests, would the country be in the mess it is in today?
Last edited by davesmom; Oct 4th, 2016 at 01:23 PM..
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+2
#1662
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

So, what do you think of Trump's ethics? Let's forget his racism, sexism, and general creepiness for the moment, how 'bout his ethics?

Like the piano dealer he stiffed?

Like the window washer he stiffed?

Like his long track record of making contracts, getting the work done for him, then saying "I'll pay you something less than I agreed. If you don't like it, sue me."

Now, I'm sure you already have the reply screen up, and are a half-dozen lines into your screed on Clinton's ethics. Erase it. The question was about Trump's ethics. If your only answer is a tu quoque fallacy, don't embarrass yourself and bore me.


I would imagine his ethics are about as ethical as most politicians- somewhere between C- and D+!. As for individual incidents I'd want to confirm the veracity ( beyond Hillary said so) before making a judgment. My gut feeling is overall he's probably 50% less sleazy than Hillary. P.S. Any transactions with him I'd have to get in writing.

Quote: Originally Posted by davesmom View Post

I would like to see some actual proof of the allegations against Trump. Someone saying, 'he did this or that to me' is not proof; it is at best indicative of a misunderstanding or disagreement. There have been tens of thousands of workers of all kinds who have worked for Trump and have no complaint or have even praised him.
All of these allegations are nothing more than political propaganda, imo, and I see the proof of that every time I listen to CNN.


Generally coincide with my thoughts, although I think you rate him slightly higher than I do. I might go as far as to say he's a typical politician and not as bad as the worst of them. A statesman he is NOT.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#1663
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post


tHEENKING RULES GOPH, YOU KNOW THAT, have you got a woman yet?


alas, still looking for a wealthy wife - as always, just to prove I am not prejudiced, she can be a wealthy Republican
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#1664
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I would imagine his ethics are about as ethical as most politicians- somewhere between C- and D+!. As for individual incidents I'd want to confirm the veracity ( beyond Hillary said so) before making a judgment. My gut feeling is overall he's probably 50% less sleazy than Hillary. P.S. Any transactions with him I'd have to get in writing.




Generally coincide with my thoughts, although I think you rate him slightly higher than I do. I might go as far as to say he's a typical politician and not as bad as the worst of them. A statesman he is NOT.

No , one thing for sure the Donald is not up to this point a typical politician . He may well turn into one .
But to this point he is the only one I have seen that breezed through primary season without a HUGGGe PSA .
He is also the only one that has not bowed down to the press .
Not typical at all .
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#1665





That's your Republican hero!

... a thought occurred to me: Minnesota's Michelle Bachmann said Trump was God's chosen candidate. I wonder what she's thinking now ...
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#1666
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post






That's your Republican hero!

... a thought occurred to me: Minnesota's Michelle Bachmann said Trump was God's chosen candidate. I wonder what she's thinking now ...

Don't you admire the female form ?
Do you ever express that admiration ?
How exactly do you express it ?
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#1667
Don'cha worry pgs, I'm not running for the presidency.




As for Dump, even the far right Hugh Hewitt says he should quit:



https://twitter.com/hughhewitt/statu...67614589415424
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#1668
Trump made a mistake 11 years ago, admitted it, apologized and promised to do better. That in itself shows character and a lot of moxie and gumption. Now people should shut up and quit being hypocrites!
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#1669
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Don'cha worry pgs, I'm not running for the presidency.




As for Dump, even the far right Hugh Hewitt says he should quit:



https://twitter.com/hughhewitt/statu...67614589415424

Of course but then again I think Hillary should quit as well . What do you say , get both out >
 
tay
+1
#1670
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#1671
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM;

Trump made a mistake 11 years ago, admitted it, apologized and promised to do better. That in itself shows character and a lot of moxie and gumption. Now people should shut up and quit being hypocrites!


Dump only said he apologizes if anyone was offended. He did not apologize for making the statement.

Quote: Originally Posted by pgs;

Of course but then again I think Hillary should quit as well . What do you say , get both out >



Why? Hillary said nothing about grabbing p◇ssy.
 
davesmom
+1
#1672
Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Dump only said he apologizes if anyone was offended. He did not apologize for making the statement.




You missed it. In one of his several apologies, he said he was sorry for what he said. .
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
+1
#1673
Quote: Originally Posted by Durry View Post

Not so.
Too many western people have had it to easy and are now lazy, more have to starve before they learn to pick up their socks and get motivated to work hard and start to accumulate wealth.



There is some truth to what you say - our society has become one of "entitlements" so those who work hard to attain a better life are penalized; those who do not get to ride the gravy train.


Not everyone, mind you - I admit its a generalization. But it seems more and more so and the politicians and academics are to blame. They encourage the "not my fault" scenario.


I have worked my butt off since I was 15 - worked two jobs when required, went back to school on my own - no gov't handouts, no student loans - to get where I am now. I'm FINALLY making a comfortable living and now the government wants to tax the hell out of me. For what?? What did I work so hard for?


I'd like to retire eventually but as things are going, (like the carbon tax), I'll likely have to work until I die! Enjoy retirement? Not unless I become a member of the "super rich". I see more and more seniors working at least part-time because things have gotten so expensive they can't afford to live on their pensions. It's sad!


JMHO
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
+2
#1674
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Trump made a mistake 11 years ago, admitted it, apologized and promised to do better. That in itself shows character and a lot of moxie and gumption. Now people should shut up and quit being hypocrites!

Hmmm.....my idea of character is having no need to apologize for denigrating persons, never mind whole groups of people. How dangerous is a President who has to apologize for repeatedly foul mouthing, individuals, groups, and countries for being who and what they are?? A future President should not still be in the spoilt child phase of life. It is not funny either in a child or an adult, never mind someone who wants to be President. Such behavior in a child, the first time generally gets a warning, second time deserves a reprimand, a third time a punishment to make sure said child is aware of how dreadful such behavior truly is.

In a adult, it indicates no impulse control. With the resources to do immense damage, these are NOT admirable traits.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#1675
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

Hmmm.....my idea of character is having no need to apologize for denigrating persons, never mind whole groups of people. How dangerous is a President who has to apologize for repeatedly foul mouthing, individuals, groups, and countries for being who and what they are?? A future President should not still be in the spoilt child phase of life. It is not funny either in a child or an adult, never mind someone who wants to be President. Such behavior in a child, the first time generally gets a warning, second time deserves a reprimand, a third time a punishment to make sure said child is aware of how dreadful such behavior truly is.

In a adult, it indicates no impulse control. With the resources to do immense damage, these are NOT admirable traits.

Yet you are fine with , a nominee who destroyed evidence . Lied under oath . Blamed a mentally unstable filmmaker for Behngazi . Laughed at a 12 year old rape survivor .

You would the above .

Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Yet you are fine with , a nominee who destroyed evidence . Lied under oath . Blamed a mentally unstable filmmaker for Behngazi . Laughed at a 12 year old rape survivor .

You would the above .

The last line should read . You would support the behavior listed above .
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
+1
#1676
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Yet you are fine with , a nominee who destroyed evidence . Lied under oath . Blamed a mentally unstable filmmaker for Behngazi . Laughed at a 12 year old rape survivor .

You would the above .


The last line should read . You would support the behavior listed above .

LOL, I do not have to make the choice, thankfully. The only choice is the least dangerous. So which do YOU think that is.

By the way if the evidence was destroyed how does anyone know if it would have been of wrong doing??
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+1
#1677
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmom View Post

You missed it. In one of his several apologies, he said he was sorry for what he said. .


Personally I don't think he should have apologized for what was said in the company of the boys 11 years ago - maybe the person who should be apologizing is the scumbag who broadcasted it to the whole wide world.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#1678
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

LOL, I do not have to make the choice, thankfully. The only choice is the least dangerous. So which do YOU think that is.

By the way if the evidence was destroyed how does anyone know if it would have been of wrong doing??

Why would they destroy it if it didn't ?
I don't think either candidate is especially dangerous .
Congress and Senate still control the purse strings and the ability to bring forth legislation .
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#1679
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Trump made a mistake 11 years ago, admitted it, apologized and promised to do better. That in itself shows character and a lot of moxie and gumption. Now people should shut up and quit being hypocrites!

"He said he was real sorry he hit me and promised it'll never happen again, so I stayed."

Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Don't you admire the female form ?
Do you ever express that admiration ?
How exactly do you express it ?

Well, not by committing felony sexual assault.
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
+1
#1680
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Why would they destroy it if it didn't ?
I don't think either candidate is especially dangerous .
Congress and Senate still control the purse strings and the ability to bring forth legislation .

Well, if I had been posting here for quite awhile and then discovered it was illegal, I would certainly destroy my participation. Remember Hillary claims she did not know it was a no,no. Most people do try to live within the law and usually stop when they find out is is unlawful.

Oh so someone who deliberately offends repeatedly is not dangerous when using insults instead of diplomacy in expressing whatever happens to be flitting through the brain. Think about another world war would be like with the sort of weapons now available to so many governments.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Personally I don't think he should have apologized for what was said in the company of the boys 11 years ago - maybe the person who should be apologizing is the scumbag who broadcasted it to the whole wide world.

I guess you are for letting a person's character being hidden until after election to government?? Gee dumb me, I thought choosing the best candidate for the job was why we vote. How else do we do that without reviewing their past??
 

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