Is Canada anti-Muslim?


dancing-loon
#1
From reading Praxius' thread about Omar Khadr's trial in the US, I have asked myself, "is there an anti-Muslim attitude in the ranks of our government, and in the Canadian public as well?"

I would appreciate your input from personal observations, articles you have read, and news you heard about.

I will start off with a complaint from a Muslim group in B.C. At the heart is an article by Mark Steyn in McCleans Magazine, titled....
"The future belongs to Islam."
Quote:

A B.C. human rights commission hearing room became the battle ground Monday for a fight between Canadian Islamic leaders who say their community has been painted as a threat to Western society and a Canadian magazine that says it will defend freedom of the press.
Two prominent Muslim leaders have demanded Maclean's magazine give them an opportunity to respond to an October 2006 article they call "flagrantly anti-Muslim."

http://canadianpress.google.com/arti...v2p307REnuvfBg
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Looking up who Mark Steyn is I wasn't surprised to read that he is a strong supporter of Israel and the Jews, as well as a Neo-Conservative fan. One doesn't need to look further to agree with the two Muslim leaders.

If our government has allowed Muslims from various countries to immigrate to Canada, then there should be no bias from our leaders against them. All "Canadians" are equal when it comes to rights and obligations of any individual towards the State, as well as the State towards its citizens.

In the case of Omar Khadr it is painfully obvious that our government, liberal or conservative, is violating the right of a proper citizen to all the help and support he can get from his own government, especially since Omar was still a child at the time of his incarceration and torture by the Americans.

Unfortunately, our involvement in a war against Muslims tends to feed an anti-Muslim mindset. McCleans, I'm sorry to say, is not helping to diffuse this trend.
 
dancing-loon
#2
Looking around for "proof" ....
Quote:

MaClean's Islamophobia

Posted 06-04-2008 at 09:13 PM by shaukat
Canada’s leading magazine MaClean’s, like daily The National Post (owned by Zionist Izzi family of CanWest), are known for regularly publishing anti-Islam and anti-Muslim articles, news and lies. In its October 29, 2006 issue, MaClean published an article, full of hatred and contempt for Muslims and their faith, by Mark Steyn (a Jew converted to Catholicism), entitled “The Future Belongs to Islam” (4800 word excerpt from Steyn’s book “America Alone”). This is when four Muslim law students said “enough is enough” and along with Canadian Islamic Congress (CIC) filed three complaints with Canada’s Human Rights Tribunal against magazine’s editor-in-chief, Kenneth Whyte for inciting Islamophobia.

The article full of Zionist propaganda, lies included - “Muslims, including those in Canada, pose a demographic, ideological and security threat to the West”.

Four Muslim students at Osgoode Hall Law School - Khurram Awan, Naseem Mithoowani, Muneeza Sheikh, Ali Ahmad, and their non-Muslim friend Daniel Simard - blamed MaClean for publishing over 18 such hateful articles in the past including writers like Barbara Amiel. The student met Ken Whyte and his deputy Mark Stevenson. During the meeting the students demanded that MaClean publish an article of the same length written by an Islamic writer to refute Mark Steyn’s lies about Muslims and their faith. However, they were told by Ken Whyte - “I would rather go bankrupt than let somebody from outside of our operations dictate the contents of the magazine”. The students then approached the owner, Ted Roger, who referred the matter to publisher, Brain Segal, who supported Ken Whyte.

Like in the defence of Danish insulting cartoons - the Jewish controlled media took this fair complaint of Zionist bigotry - as a Muslims’ attempt to block “Freedom of Speech”. However, this ‘Freedom of Speech’ was not applicable in the past, when, for example:

In 1996 & 1997, British Columbia HRC took weekly ‘North Shore News’ for publishing an anti-Jew column.

In 2002, Canada’s Federal HRC demanded that Ernst Zundel remove his Holocaust revisionist article from his website.

In 2002, Alberta HRC took ‘Alberta Report’ magazine to task for spreading hatred against Jews.

In order to understand why Canada’s HRC has no ears for Canada’s largest minority, Muslims, because HRC was brain-child of a Jewish lawyer, Abe Borovoy - and has a history of Zionist-Jewish domination.

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I think I stepped into a wasp nest!!!

Btw., is this Roger guy also the owner of Rogers cable and Communication Conglomerate?
Segal somehow rings a bell in my mind....???.....He is the brother of red-hot Tory, Hugh Segal.
 
thomaska
#3
How many mobs have taken to the streets rioting whenever there is a nasty article printed about jews, christians, hindus, sun god worshippers, or anyone else for that matter?

Who usually does the riotting?

If a muslim blows up some innocent people, or says he wants to, and it subsequently hits the media that this happened, it isn't "bias". Its just a fact.

I wouldn't worry though, your little Reichsministers in the Human Rights Tribunal/ Ministry of Truthspeak are giving Steyn all kinds of "what for" at the moment.
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#4
Well don't forget McLean's also did this:



^ They have a tendancy to piss people off in some fashion or another.

I never read the article in regards to the Muslim community, and I can not speak for other Canadians, but for myself, I have nothing against people who are Muslim. I judge individuals based on their individual actions, and I normally don't judge an entire population based on a few people.

And before I get a comment in regards to my generalizations of the US, those stem from an over abundant trend or mindset that usually spans Coast to Coast.... that and how the majority of Americans see the problems in their government and their country, but still do nothing and still allow their government to go unchecked, I think it's usually valid.

:P
 
jimmoyer
#5
Self serving.

Convenient.

That's how I'd characterize that defense.

LOL !!!

Carry on Praxius.

You have the floor.
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by jimmoyer View Post

Self serving.

Convenient.

That's how I'd characterize that defense.

LOL !!!

Carry on Praxius.

You have the floor.

You know you love it.... hince why I threw in :P at the bottom, because I knew exactly how it sounded.

And come on, I only serve myself when I'm eating. Everything else is just to piss people off
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#7
Keeping our tradition of sucking the international banking community we carry out thier orders with respect to fomenting hate of Muslims. It's the politically correct thing to do when we're on the verge of murdering another 6 or 7 million.
 
Zzarchov
#8
Actually, if you go back, the original offer by the magazine was to post a factual rebuttal by the Islamic groups.

They wanted the HRC to shut down the magazine, arguing religious sensitivities (as long as its theirs) trump free press.

The HRC actually refused to get involved after the flak this whole thing was generating made it feel threatened (with serious questions about the HRC's legitimacy coming into question)

Now the muslim groups are demanding the original offer...like it was their original intention.
 
Just the Facts
Free Thinker
#9
So you ask if Canada is anti-Muslim and then go on to post a bunch of anti-semitic tripe to answer your own question. Well done.

It seems to me that a standard has been set, and Mr(s). Shaukat qualifies for trial by the B.C. HRC on the grounds of being offensive to Jews.
 
Zzarchov
#10
I'd like to point out, Magazines and publications that broke the power of the Catholic Church in Quebec, ridiculing and insulting the religion of millions of Canadians...

Were allowed free reign to do so under freedom of the press. The real question is why are Muslims more important than Catholics?
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov View Post

I'd like to point out, Magazines and publications that broke the power of the Catholic Church in Quebec, ridiculing and insulting the religion of millions of Canadians...

Were allowed free reign to do so under freedom of the press. The real question is why are Muslims more important than Catholics?

Could it be that Muslims have more oil? Just a wild guess.Funny how god would put satanic muslims on top of the judeaochristian oil.
 
Lithp
#12
I'm sick and tired of the Jehova's witnesses beheading innocent people.
I'm sick and tired of Bhuddists blowing up civilians, including children.
I'm sick and tired of Hari Krishnas ordering the death of people who don't agree with their religion.

Oh wait...those are all Muslims.

Who do you think is doing all the killing? Havent you noticed that the majority of wars today involve a struggle involving Islam? Iraq (internally), Afghanistan, Sudan, Chechnya, to name but a few.

Don't be fooled. Islam calls for world domination. It calls for the death of non believers. It calls for the expansion of the religion. It instructs it's believers to cut off the heads of non believers. - don't ask me to post examples in the Koran. It's been done already. Look it up if you don't believe it.

Is Canada anti Islam (not muslim people but the religion)? I hope so. Are all none Islamic countries anti Islam? I hope so. Because you can bet your behind they are Anti- everything else. And they are ordered by their god to kill you if you don't believe what they believe.

Every other religion says" beleive our religion and if not our god will judge you". Islam for some reason is different. Islam rewards you for killing non believers. Apparently allowing the god of islam to do the dirty work isnt good enough.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Lithp View Post

I'm sick and tired of the Jehova's witnesses beheading innocent people.
I'm sick and tired of Bhuddists blowing up civilians, including children.
I'm sick and tired of Hari Krishnas ordering the death of people who don't agree with their religion.

Oh wait...those are all Muslims.

Who do you think is doing all the killing? Havent you noticed that the majority of wars today involve a struggle involving Islam? Iraq (internally), Afghanistan, Sudan, Chechnya, to name but a few.

Don't be fooled. Islam calls for world domination. It calls for the death of non believers. It calls for the expansion of the religion. It instructs it's believers to cut off the heads of non believers. - don't ask me to post examples in the Koran. It's been done already. Look it up if you don't believe it.

Is Canada anti Islam (not muslim people but the religion)? I hope so. Are all none Islamic countries anti Islam? I hope so. Because you can bet your behind they are Anti- everything else. And they are ordered by their god to kill you if you don't believe what they believe.

Every other religion says" beleive our religion and if not our god will judge you". Islam for some reason is different. Islam rewards you for killing non believers. Apparently allowing the god of islam to do the dirty work isnt good enough.

The majority of wars today involve white christians. Are you also tired of the three million muslims murdered by the west in Iraq and Afghanistan?
 
Lithp
#14
Yes. I wish we would all just stop killing each other. We are all human beings first. We all deserve to live in peace.

My point is based more on ideology than anything else. I just refuse to accept that any belief structure that involves rewarding people for inflicting human suffering is a valid one. And it should be condemned and resited.

The same thing applies for any other faith, religion, philosophy. I am Anti- anything that does not allow people to choose. If the Islamic faith believes that non believers will be sent to hell or wherever then let their god do it. If he is that powerful I'm sure he is capable of handling it himself. The same goes for any other religion. Let the Almighty do the dirty work.

Rebuke a person who does not believe in your religion if you want. But do you really need to kill them? Let God do that.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon View Post

From reading Praxius' thread about Omar Khadr's trial in the US, I have asked myself, "is there an anti-Muslim attitude in the ranks of our government, and in the Canadian public as well?"

I would appreciate your input from personal observations, articles you have read, and news you heard about.

I will start off with a complaint from a Muslim group in B.C. At the heart is an article by Mark Steyn in McCleans Magazine, titled....
"The future belongs to Islam." http://canadianpress.google.com/arti...v2p307REnuvfBg
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Looking up who Mark Steyn is I wasn't surprised to read that he is a strong supporter of Israel and the Jews, as well as a Neo-Conservative fan. One doesn't need to look further to agree with the two Muslim leaders.

If our government has allowed Muslims from various countries to immigrate to Canada, then there should be no bias from our leaders against them. All "Canadians" are equal when it comes to rights and obligations of any individual towards the State, as well as the State towards its citizens.

In the case of Omar Khadr it is painfully obvious that our government, liberal or conservative, is violating the right of a proper citizen to all the help and support he can get from his own government, especially since Omar was still a child at the time of his incarceration and torture by the Americans.

Unfortunately, our involvement in a war against Muslims tends to feed an anti-Muslim mindset. McCleans, I'm sorry to say, is not helping to diffuse this trend.

Mark Steyn happens to be one of the absolute best columnists to ever grace Canadian newspapers and magazines.

his article had little to do with Khadr, more to do with the question of whether western values of freedom are compatible with an increasing Muslim population: a question which his accusers have fairly answered, and the answer is "no".

If you can't deal with freedom of speech in this country, pack your bags and get your butt back to whatever little Medieval backwater you came from.............and good riddence.
 
Dexter Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Mark Steyn happens to be one of the absolute best columnists to ever grace Canadian newspapers and magazines.

Agreed. He's smart, informed, and thoughtful. I don't always agree with him, but there's nobody I always agree with, so that's not a strike against him.

The real issue to me is that Islam does not separate the church and the state; in Islam, the church IS the state. and any time religious and secular authority are vested in the same people and institutions, the results are awful, and definitely inimical to the freedom we in the West are accustomed to.
Quote:

If you can't deal with freedom of speech in this country, pack your bags and get your butt back to whatever little Medieval backwater you came from.............and good riddence.

Nicely put. Muslims are fully entitled to vocally and publicly disagree with Steyn, and put whatever case they think they have against his remarks. But suppressing him is not on, or certainly shouldn't be.
 
dancing-loon
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

If you can't deal with freedom of speech in this country, pack your bags and get your butt back to whatever little Medieval backwater you came from.............and good riddance.

Hi, Colpy;
I wonder if you suffer from amnesia occasionally? There is no such thing as Free Speech in this country, nor in another 30 other countries!!!

No, this is not about Omar Khadr exclusively... his story only got me thinking on the subject of Canadian tolerance for Muslims. Even you wished they had put a bullet through his head, and we wouldn't have to deal with him now. With that attitude you have enough company in this forum alone!

You might remember ?? the "terrorists" we had in 2oo6, who were going to cut Steven Harpers head off and other stuff? An interesting observation from one of the lawyers:
Quote:

The law is unfair because it doesn't list the Ku Klux Klan or other white supremacist groups as having terrorist links, Galati said. 'There are no white groups listed in the anti-terrorist legislation,' he said, adding 'brown and Muslim, that's the legislation right now.' 'In five years, 18 people have been charged,' he said. 'Little surprise they're all Muslims.'

That small number is certainly not a problem in this huge country. But, naturally, if we hear about Muslim criminals they are definitely connected to Al Quaida or the Taliban training camps. Read the Arar story once more. How did they connect him to a terrorist group?

http://www.pluralism.org/news/article.php?id=12944
 
Risus
#18
Hell, they are proposing having muslim prayer in the Ontario Legislature. What makes you think we are anti-muslim???
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Risus View Post

Hell, they are proposing having muslim prayer in the Ontario Legislature. What makes you think we are anti-muslim???

Wouldn't it be more fitting to have a sweet grass ceremony? Canada and it's provinces were founded on Christian values - at the expense of First People. Muslim? Shouldn't Chinese have a say before that if we're going to water it down into some undecognizable mix?
 
Zzarchov
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

The majority of wars today involve white christians. Are you also tired of the three million muslims murdered by the west in Iraq and Afghanistan?


Uhm...no they don't. Iraq and Afghanistan are all big and important to us, but in the grand scheme of conflicts being waged they aren't important. With most conflict its Asians and Africans and Arabs. I wouldn't say its per say about religion (thats just a factor involved as an excuse).

Its about greed and wealth and desire for power, something found in ALL human societies (not just "white" people). Countries with less wealth to lose in the destruction are simply more willing to risk what they have for more. European countries involved in war ("white" countries) are all surprise surprise, the poorest ones.
 
Risus
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Wouldn't it be more fitting to have a sweet grass ceremony? Canada and it's provinces were founded on Christian values - at the expense of First People. Muslim? Shouldn't Chinese have a say before that if we're going to water it down into some undecognizable mix?

I think the proposal is to have the Lord's Prayer and one of either Muslim, Hindu, etc etc on alternating days
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov View Post

Uhm...no they don't. Iraq and Afghanistan are all big and important to us, but in the grand scheme of conflicts being waged they aren't important. With most conflict its Asians and Africans and Arabs. I wouldn't say its per say about religion (thats just a factor involved as an excuse).

Its about greed and wealth and desire for power, something found in ALL human societies (not just "white" people). Countries with less wealth to lose in the destruction are simply more willing to risk what they have for more. European countries involved in war ("white" countries) are all surprise surprise, the poorest ones.

I mean Zzarchov are you telling me that white NATO, coalition, 700 bases planet wide are not manned by white people from christian countries. I wouldn't say it's about religion either but you must agree that religion has been introduced to the mix what. The lust for power is found in all humans those that have the best weapons and the least morals wind up on top and like it there, that's basic ain't it? We're talking about now not some time in the past or the alleged future, try and stay contrmporary will you.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#23
VOICES OF EVIL

June 26, 2008 at 9:02 am(Associate Post, Corrupt Politics, Islamophobia, Israel, Palestine)



Voices of Evil


By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank
Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times “by the sword” to get them to abandon their faith.
Uri Avnery, Israeli writer and journalist
Benyamin Netanyahu and Daniel Pipes are two classical examples reflecting the brutal ugliness of Jewish Islamophobia.
The former has been moving stridently toward full-fledged Zionist fascism while the latter is unabashedly calling for an all-out crusade by the US and Europe against the Muslim world, of course on Israel’s behalf.
Let us start with Netanyahu, a racist, pathological liar by every shred of imagination. This week, Netanyahu had the temerity to claim that the Nazi-like Israeli occupation of Palestine was not the real root cause besetting the Middle East, and that the real source of trouble was “radical Islam.”
In characteristic Zionist ingratitude, Netanyahu utterly ignored the fact that it was Muslims in North Africa and the Middle East who protected Jews during the holocaust.
Similarly, he overlooked the fact that Jews reached their golden age under Muslim rule in southern Spain.
Netanyahu is not an ignoramus; he is rather an addicted willful liar and hatemonger, and his constant vilification of Islam is designed first and foremost to divert world attention from the genocidal ethnic cleansing Israel has been carrying out against the Palestinian people.
His red-herring tactic may succeed in deceiving some people in the West, especially those readily exposed to Zionist-controlled media.
However, with the advent of the internet and other forms of independent media, the Israeli “magic” is losing its effect as more and more people in North America and Europe are discovering the truth about this criminal entity.
Netanyahu often portrays Israel as representing western civilization and ideals in an area dominated by Islam.
Howe
 
dancing-loon
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Risus View Post

Hell, they are proposing having muslim prayer in the Ontario Legislature. What makes you think we are anti-muslim???

Hey, little One; I didn't say you are anti-Muslim, I am wondering, if our government for one, and the people for two are biased against Muslims.
So, may I ask, are you?

Just now I saw this piece of news:
CSIS was wrong to destroy Charkaoui evidence: SCC

A Montreal man accused of having links to terrorists won a victory on Thursday, with a Supreme Court ruling that CSIS was wrong to destroy evidence against him.
Adil Charkaoui's right to a fair trial was violated by the spy agency's decision to destroy two interviews with Charkaoui from 2002, said CTV's Rosemary Thompson, reporting from outside the court.
Content from the interviews was used by CSIS to obtain a security certificate that would allow Charkaoui's deportation.
http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/CSI...=abc&date=True
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Looks like the RCMP (Arar) and now CSIS are obsessed with wanting to catch a terrorist!!
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#25
Case construction and fabricated fact are common tricks of the legal system. It's called custom fit framework. Destruction of evidence is another favoured trick of laws enforcers. It's the hallmark of folks with something to hide.
 
dancing-loon
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov View Post

Actually, if you go back, the original offer by the magazine was to post a factual rebuttal by the Islamic groups..

Do you have a link for that? All I know is that they bluntly refused to publish an answer from the Muslims.
 
dancing-loon
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister View Post

Nicely put. Muslims are fully entitled to vocally and publicly disagree with Steyn, and put whatever case they think they have against his remarks.

I agree with that... makes sense, is fair.
Quote:

But suppressing him is not on, or certainly shouldn't be.

Apparently the Muslims feel he was promoting hate against them, and that is against the law, as far as I know.

Certain people were arrested for writing stuff about the Jews and the holocaust, which is forbidden, because it is anti-semitic, it insults the Jews. So, why are you denying the Muslims equal status and protection?

I have to say that I have not read Mark Steyn's offending remarks about the Muslims, I rely on the testimony of the two Muslim Elders.
 
Scott Free
Free Thinker
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon View Post

is there an anti-Muslim attitude in the ranks of our government, and in the Canadian public as well?

If there isn't there should be. The religion is a vile sickness and I do not want it spreading here to Canada. The remedy is of coarse free speech where people can point out and dissect the religions horrid nature. The worst thing possible then is to enact laws prohibiting such discussions as "hatred." There is a point where being too liberal can become dangerous. Some things shouldn't be accepted. Violent religions full of hatred is one IMO.

It isn't hatred to say a religion is a vile illness. Christianity is one too. So we have checks and balances such as the seperation of church and state. My statement does not reflect on the religions adherents except to say they are infected. If I say smallpox is a vile illness am I saying the people infected with smallpox are vile? No, I certainly am not. So too when I say the Muslims and Christians and any other religion is an illness I do not mean any harm to the infected. It is not anyones fault they are ill. Typically the sickness is caught at a very young age anyway, before culpability is a factor.

Yes, lets keep Canada as healthy as possible.
Last edited by Scott Free; Jun 27th, 2008 at 02:16 AM..
 
Zzarchov
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

I mean Zzarchov are you telling me that white NATO, coalition, 700 bases planet wide are not manned by white people from christian countries. I wouldn't say it's about religion either but you must agree that religion has been introduced to the mix what. The lust for power is found in all humans those that have the best weapons and the least morals wind up on top and like it there, that's basic ain't it? We're talking about now not some time in the past or the alleged future, try and stay contrmporary will you.


Are you telling me you think 700 NATO bases even remotely represents a portion of the conflict in this world?

Seriously? NATO has fewer troops out than one African Warzone.

The world does not revolve around the west, many things go on without their permission or influence.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free View Post

If there isn't there should be. The religion is a vile sickness and I do not want it spreading here to Canada. The remedy is of coarse free speech where people can point out and dissect the religions horrid nature. The worst thing possible then is to enact laws prohibiting such discussions as "hatred." There is a point where being too liberal can become dangerous. Some things shouldn't be accepted. Violent religions full of hatred is one IMO.

It isn't hatred to say a religion is a vile illness. Christianity is one too. So we have checks and balances such as the seperation of church and state. My statement does not reflect on the religions adherents except to say they are infected. If I say smallpox is a vile illness am I saying the people infected with smallpox are vile? No, I certainly am not. So too when I say the Muslims and Christians and any other religion is an illness I do not mean any harm to the infected. It is not anyones fault they are ill. Typically the sickness is caught at a very young age anyway, before culpability is a factor.

Yes, lets keep Canada as healthy as possible.

I do not agree that religion is a vile illness.......

I do agree that Islam appears to be incompatible with a free society.

I would point out the the foundations of English (and American) democracy and liberty in the west are built on the solid rock of Christianity.......(waxing poetic here, try not to puke )

John Locke, the premier philosopher extolling the political rights of man in the 1600s, believed was inspired by God.....if man was, as an individual, important enough to God that he sacrificed His Son, than each individual must be important in worldly society.........
 

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