Peace Process

Motar
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Peacekeeping has been described as "putting a lid on a boiling pot." Peacemaking has been delineated as "looking for the source of heat and turning it down."

What is peace? Is universal peace possible? What is the process?
 
Cliffy
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#2
No. Why? Because war is profitable and peace seems to be much less so. Follow the money and you will find the instigators of war (here's a hint: it ain't governments).
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

Peacekeeping has been described as "putting a lid on a boiling pot." Peacemaking has been delineated as "looking for the source of heat and turning it down."

What is peace? Is universal peace possible? What is the process?


What is peace? A myth?
 
Zipperfish
#4
Universal peace? How boring would that be?

Universal peace would be impossible. A hawk cannot change its nature.
 
Motar
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

Universal peace would be impossible. A hawk cannot change its nature.

Is universal peace impossible due to peace being an individual experience, Zip?
 
karrie
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The only way to achieve 'peace' (as in absence of armed conflict between societies), is through education and equality. The world is nowhere near there yet.
 
Zipperfish
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

Is universal peace impossible due to peace being an individual experience, Zip?

With game theory, there's an interesting thought experiment. You have hawks (who will fight for food) and doves (who will not). The perfect world would be a world of doves--there would be no fighting and all the food would be shared. However it would be critically unstable, because the introduction of a single hawk would decimate the doves.

(Evolutionary game theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

The most resilient solution is some combination of hawks and doves.
 
Motar
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

With game theory, there's an interesting thought experiment. You have hawks (who will fight for food) and doves (who will not). The perfect world would be a world of doves--there would be no fighting and all the food would be shared. However it would be critically unstable, because the introduction of a single hawk would decimate the doves.

(Evolutionary game theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

The most resilient solution is some combination of hawks and doves.

What is the ideal combination and how is it maintained, Zip?
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

What is the ideal combination and how is it maintained, Zip?

By the doves being in control not the hawks.
 
Zipperfish
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

What is the ideal combination and how is it maintained, Zip?


In evolutionary game theory, the balance depends on the various factors (how badlya hawk will fight before giving up; how long will a dove's bravado last before it gives up its food and flies away; what is the general availability of food, yadda yadda yadda). The ideal (e.g. most stable) population is not "maintained", per se, it just happens over time, like a ball rolling downhill. It's the most probable outcome, therefore the highest entropy state, and the universe tends to entropy.
 
Motar
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

In evolutionary game theory, the balance depends on the various factors (how badlya hawk will fight before giving up; how long will a dove's bravado last before it gives up its food and flies away; what is the general availability of food, yadda yadda yadda). The ideal (e.g. most stable) population is not "maintained", per se, it just happens over time, like a ball rolling downhill. It's the most probable outcome, therefore the highest entropy state, and the universe tends to entropy.

Is peace possible in a universe prone to decomposition, Zip?
 
Zipperfish
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

Is peace possible in a universe prone to decomposition, Zip?

Well, once we reach the stage of heat death of the universe (maximum entropy) then I guess things will be pretty peaceful. Ha ha ha.

But another thing I've noticed is that tensions that build up over time often tend to resolve themselves suddenly--earthquakes, supernovae, volcanoes. And perhaps war.

Conflict, in my opinion, is part of the nature of things. Indeed, in the Theory of Evolution, competition is the engine of survival.

Do you think universal peace is possible?
 
Motar
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

Do you think universal peace is possible?

Yes and no, Zip.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

Do you think universal peace is possible?


I'm skeptical, the universe is a big area and so far we haven't obtained peace between neighbours on the same street.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

Peacekeeping has been described as "putting a lid on a boiling pot." Peacemaking has been delineated as "looking for the source of heat and turning it down."

What is peace? Is universal peace possible? What is the process?

When Jimmy Carter was starting AFRICOM (or whatever) the unsaid part of the 'we come on peace' was 'and we have a lot of guns to make sure that happens'.
Peace is when preparing for war means changing a few of the manufacturing processes from what they currently are. True peace can't be obtained by Nations. that doesn't mean perpetual way is the only alternative but it does need a lot more restrictions on how fast a war can be put into motion. Loosening 98% of the money back into the hands of the people who earned it would solve world poverty im less than a day. The OT banking polices are about 6 verses in all. Advance Gentiles as being 'cousins' and perpetual banking can exist as a not for profit endity, just like it was intended to be under Christian rules that put the poor as the ones that get any 'raises' rather than the ones who already have more than they could spend in one lifetime.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I'm skeptical, the universe is a big area and so far we haven't obtained peace between neighbors on the same street.

How much of that is by intentional design? I would say a lot simply by the fact that isolation or near isolation makes even the bitchiest person actually glad to see another live human, at least for a few minutes as you may meet a prick right off the bat which is sure to kill any joy that the moment inspired.
 
Motar
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

Yes and no, Zip.

Yes, universal peace is possible if the universe is an individual person and if peace is an internal, essential reality.

No, universal peace is not possible if the universe is collective human history and if peace is an external, circumstantial reality such as absence of armed conflict.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

Yes, universal peace is possible if the universe is an individual person and if peace is an internal, essential reality.

No, universal peace is not possible if the universe is collective human history and if peace is an external, circumstantial reality such as absence of armed conflict.

Where, in your opinion, does an individual reach inner peace?
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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We will never achieve total peace in the world, unless aliens come down and suck out our brains and fill the empty cavity with green jello.
 
Motar
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Where, in your opinion, does an individual reach inner peace?

Individual inner peace is more relational than positional, Cliffy.

I ask you, first of all, not to seek peace at all as the first object, for if you want peace before you get Divine Grace, you want the flower before you get the root—and you will be apt to be like little children who, when they have a piece of garden given them, will go and pluck up the flowers out of their father’s bed, and put the flowers into their own ground, and then say, “What a nice garden I have!” But to their dismay, on the morrow all is withered. Better put the roots in, and wait a week or two till they sprout—and then the flowers will be living ones, not borrowed ones!

Do not seek after peace first. Seek after CHRIST first! Peace will come next. Still, I pray you, do not think that peace is a qualification for Divine Grace. If you fancy this, you will be in error, indeed; you are to come to Christ as Nicodemus did, by night, that is, in the night of your ignorance, in the night of your fear and trouble. You must come just as you are, bringing nothing to Christ, but coming empty-handed—no money, no price, no fee, “nothing to pay”—He asks of you nothing but that you would take all gratis from His liberal hand.
http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols7-9/chs510.pdf

It is more readily experienced than explained.
 
Ron in Regina
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

We will never achieve total peace in the world, unless aliens come down and suck out our brains and fill the empty cavity with green jello.

Mmmmmmmm.....Green Jello.......

 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

Yes, universal peace is possible if the universe is an individual person and if peace is an internal, essential reality.

No, universal peace is not possible if the universe is collective human history and if peace is an external, circumstantial reality such as absence of armed conflict.


Let's try for peace within families before we start thinking about the universe.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post


It is more readily experienced than explained.



Inner peace can be gained in various ways depending on the person. He gives an example of one way being to meditate for fifty years without eating or drinking. Another way, he explained, is to endure pain and suffering.


Inspire Me Wednesday | Inspire.


 
Motar
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Who is "He", Cliffy?
 
Cliffy
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

Who is "He", Cliffy?

A martial arts teacher. Doesn't matter. Every religion has teachings about attaining inner peace.

If you believe the western media propaganda, the Muslims practice inner pieces (Kaboom!).
 
Motar
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

Peacekeeping has been described as "putting a lid on a boiling pot." Peacemaking has been delineated as "looking for the source of heat and turning it down." What is peace? Is universal peace possible? What is the process?

In my experience, peace is a inner, individual state.

My posture of peace began when my relationship with God became a personal one. The person of Jesus Christ was the vehicle for this to take place. Prior anxieties and aggressions were evicted in me when Christ took up residence in my life. This exchange began when He offered to come aboard and I accepted. The peace process in my life continues today as the relationship continues.

My potential to impact the universe in a peaceful way has been established. Universal peace however is the domain of Christ.
 
Motar
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

Peacekeeping has been described as "putting a lid on a boiling pot." Peacemaking has been delineated as "looking for the source of heat and turning it down." What is peace? Is universal peace possible? What is the process?

What are your thoughts concerning peace?
 
JLM
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

What are your thoughts concerning peace?


Highly impractical...........man is not a peaceful creature, pretty well all of man's endeavours involve beating the other guy, be it sports or Keeping up with the Joneses etc. It's all about being first.........................up Mt. Everest, to the South Pole, in space, to the moon etc. etc.
 
Motar
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Highly impractical...........man is not a peaceful creature, pretty well all of man's endeavours involve beating the other guy, be it sports or Keeping up with the Joneses etc. It's all about being first.........................up Mt. Everest, to the South Pole, in space, to the moon etc. etc.

You're speaking of an essential nature in man, JLM - an entrenched "me-centered" spirit that is bent on self-promotion. So if I am by nature an agitated and aggressive being, is there a remedy?

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

The only way to achieve 'peace' (as in absence of armed conflict between societies), is through education and equality. The world is nowhere near there yet.

I concur that the absence of armed conflict can be a sign of peace, Karrie. But can it be a sign of something else? (parties are out of ammunition, too decimated to go on fighting, no territory in dispute)?
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

You're speaking of an essential nature in man, JLM - an entrenched "me-centered" spirit that is bent on self-promotion. So if I am by nature an agitated and aggressive being, is there a remedy?



Probably not totally. And definitely not for all people. But we can temper it a bit. Divert the energy toward things like thoughtfulness, kindness, tolerance and understanding. You can accomplish as much helping an old lady across the street as beating her in a foot race up the stairs. -
 
Motar
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Probably not totally. And definitely not for all people. But we can temper it a bit. Divert the energy toward things like thoughtfulness, kindness, tolerance and understanding. You can accomplish as much helping an old lady across the street as beating her in a foot race up the stairs. -

What is your secret for tempering the "me-first" spirit and diverting to more "other-centered" thoughts and behaviors, JLM?