The Legacy of Pierre Trudeau


jimmoyer
#91
You hit it, Coldstream, we were talking about the abrogration of rights, but now we are talking about emphasizing "what is right" rather that what "our rights" should be.

Here's something from recently departed Solzhenitsyn:



Quote:
CRISIS OF WESTERN CIVILISATION

People in the West have acquired considerable skill in using, interpreting and manipulating law, even though laws tend to be too complicated for an average person to understand without the help of an expert...

It is time, in the West, to defend not so much human rights as human obligations.

Destructive and irresponsible freedom has been granted boundless space. Society appears to have little defence against the abyss of human decadence, such as, for example, misuse of liberty for moral violence against young people, motion pictures full of pornography, crime and horror.

It is considered to be part of freedom and theoretically counter-balanced by the young people's right not to look or not to accept. Life organised legalistically has thus shown its inability to defend itself against the corrosion of evil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7540077.stm

----------------------this is from Solzhenitsyn------courtesy of a post by Dancing-Loon------
 
Kreskin
#92
One human obligation could be not telling people they're going to hell everytime we disagree with their lifestyle. That would be the mature and responsible thing to do. Another would be removing those swindlers off of evangelist TV programs. Rather than promote organized stealing people could be encouraged to retain their money and help themselves. I'll bet if we put it to a vote whether or not evangelists should be fundraising on television they'd be punted in a heartbeat.
 
coldstream
#93
Destructive and irresponsible freedom has been granted boundless space. Society appears to have little defence against the abyss of human decadence, such as, for example, misuse of liberty for moral violence against young people, motion pictures full of pornography, crime and horror.

It is considered to be part of freedom and theoretically counter-balanced by the young people's right not to look or not to accept. Life organised legalistically has thus shown its inability to defend itself against the corrosion of evil.


Well i won't try to outdo this great writer. But if you want to look beyond homosexuality, Certainly the sexualization of our culture.. which is everywhere one looks now, is a major contributor to our current state. Spengler would have assigned that to fragmentation of the institution of marriage as the seat of constructive, morally continent sexuality. We are left with the stunning contradiction now, that in a society riddled with sexuality, all of it exploitive, much of it targeted at those a society holds most innocent, its children.. we have a birth rate that is far below replacement ratios.

Population collapse was a major focus for Spengler. We have managed to completely disassociate sexuality from procreation, as a societal ethos, and the family is increasingly seen as something of an economic convenience rather than the wellspring of generations. 'Inconvenient' infants are aborted, often late into the pregnancy, as an unwanted side effect of sexual indulgence.. the prime objective has become gratification of the senses.. certainly not kids.

This is where our modern age dovetails with the legitimization of homosexuality and especially homosexual 'marriage'. What more apt symbol to enfranchise gratuitous, futile decadence as a 'right'. No culture stands to last, once its fundamental building block, the family, is turned into a trivial convenience.. or an absurdity.. free of any responsibility in fostering new life. It is sign of the most profound distress and disarray.

Our confidence in the future has disappeared, we are living for the moment in the most decadent of carnivales . Take a good look at 'Pride Day' parades as a emblem for the cultural values of our time. Hundreds of thousands show up, all in the guise of 'tolerance'.. for a celebration of human misery. They are circus freak shows, the spectators not drawn by compassion, but by voyeuristic delight in leering at those caught up in self destructive debauchery.

We have merely contrived a legal rationale to replace a true sense of moral purpose... the essence and character of what we are now defining as legitimate and credible has not changed, we have only put a patina of respectability on something that is fundamentally corrupt... and that is something that definitely includes, but goes far beyond homosexuality.
Last edited by coldstream; Aug 6th, 2008 at 12:27 PM..
 
jimmoyer
#94
But if you want to look beyond homosexuality, Certainly the sexualization of our culture.. which is everywhere one looks now, is a major contributor to our current state...
----------------------------------Coldstream------------------------------------------------------

We do want to look beyond. Your selection of just homosexuality is mis-placed. As you can now see, the epidemic has no borders, no gender limits.

The culprit is licentiousness. As it has been throughout history.

Homosexuality is a scapegoat. Even an examination of history bears the fact that this licentiousness is not limited to homosexuality. You will notice the whole society was having a psychological breakdown. In fact you could argue that marriage allowed for homosexuals would welcome a more tame existence than the predatory behavior you note.

It is how we behave, not who our sexual objects are.

The answer to Solzhenitsyn's legitimate complaint is a cultural answer, one that holds high a better behavior, one that doesn't just espouse like a child, "you can't take my toy away. I have rights !!!"
 

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