So what faith do non Christians on CC believe in

Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

Simple answer:

"god" is a construct, a status cast upon something by another. "You" make something a "god". There are a great many things that somebody somewhere in some time proclaimed a "god", and when the proclamation ended, the god died (became lost in history or relabeled mythology).

The universe itself is a living system, and if you want to call it a god, then you are a part of the god. This is the closest to reality of any mythology.

I have enough faith to know you are correct C/K.
We were all created in the image of god (the universe) hence our penchance for dominion and invention.
Mutiple universes multiple Gods.

I don't worry about the big Gods though just the one whose radiant light I stand in and on everyday.

But there's still lots of room for all things under the sun.
The universe created us and we created god to
account for our creation by the universe which created us and we created god universe where we'll have to create god to account for our creation by the universe which created us....................where's my pipe time for one of the lesser gods.

After thousands of years of research and the organized murder of organized religion science is pointing at the stars as our creator something we knew sitting arround camp fires at the begining of our time here, after several million pages of religious text and handbooks to heaven we end up where we began, there's a circle for us. What a waste.
Isn't there a bit of controversy connected with that 'Asatru' religion; what I mean is the political and cultural side of this group:

For example in Norway, don't they have members that burn churches? and in general, isn't there an idea that Vikings are a better people, in a racial sense?
Yes, a part of Asatru people did have a violent struggle in Norway where they committed several attacks on Norweigan churches and killed several people.

No, Anglo-Saxons, and most christian radicals believe they are of a higher standard not Asatru members.

I believe in the scientific method as well, that's why I know the Sun is god

Well, given that stars are the Creators of all the elements needed to make us (except for hydrogen) and that the Sun makes life possible and drives evolution, a person could do much worse than the Sun for a deity, that's for sure.

As far as Deism goes, there's no question that it is a sensible, intelligent way to imagine God. Still, it does imagine a God. I've become comvinced that humans (and perhaps a handful of other mammals) have an innate tendency to believe in a transcendent reality. I think it co-evolved as part of the cortical harware that makes abstract, imaginative thought possible. Being the egotistical, self-absorbed primates that we are, we have tended to anthropormophize it, but it takes many forms, even for atheists (e.g.appreciation of music or art).

I'm not convinced that a God hypotehsis, even one as sensible as that of the Deists, is necessary.

Besides, if a God does exist, She is so far beyond the comprehension of us mortals that any conception we might have of her is so pathetically limited as to be meaningless. Perhaps she exists in a way that cross all of our limited conceptual categories i.e. is personal for those who need a Mommy God, is impersonal for the more rationally-inclined, exists complete but concealed in each human like a hologram, exists separate of Her Creation, permeates ever point of space and photon as per the Pantheists, all at once without contradiction...
I used to be an agnostic......

but I'm suurrrreeeeeee anymore!!!
Forgive me if this point is a non-sequitor...but it has to do with the nature of faith and one's personal belief in God: even as my belief in a higher force wanes, and I get into rationalizing what little faith I have: that God is a metaphor for the universe -- of course I'll believe in God if you permit me to make up my own definition.

So here's my point. It's really hard to embrace another religion. So much of religion concerns cultural artefacts: such as childhood memories singing 'Onward Christian Soldiers'. I've tried reading the Dalai Lama, and sampling Buddhism, but there's so many unfamiliar names of characters and stuff -- you need an interpreter... but when it comes to basic events in the cycle of life, ceremonies like baptism, weddings and funerals, I still favour Chistian church.

And I might add, just like a photographer's gray scale, it seems you can have varying degrees of belief in God. For example: the retired Anglican Bishop, Richard Holloway (currently in the aetheist position).
pastafarian, that makes sence. I think Deists believe in god to explain the unexplainable until it can be explained, personally.

But what you say makes complete sence.
Y'know amidst all this high falutin' talk about God and metaphysical stuff, I forgot what is probably the most important function of religion, which is to mark, honour, provide continuity to the milestones that every generation of humans shares with each other, across cultures and eras: birth, passage into adulthood, weddings and death. By means of community-based rituals, the universality of these human events has been woven into the traditions of many societies and has helped each generation find its identity in tribal history.

Of course, we have outgrown this in many ways and i think it's responsible for a lot of the backlash into fundamentalism that has arisen , particularly in the three Judeo-Christian traditions. the loss of community identity and affirming rituals, as well as, of course, the challenge to mythic/magical thinking that scientific thought has brought.

I suppose we'll either have to adopt new faiths, like the Baha'i Faith (and perhaps some of the Pagan groups that are emerging) that are compatible with the changes occurring in modern society, or religion will become less and less important to communities.

I wonder what will replace it.
Baha'i Faith, is a alright faith but the islamic word tends to not understand the faith and their is a lot of propaganda out their against them. For the simple reason that they regonize Mohammed as a prophet but not the last prophet as they see this as an afront to the Koran
Im a Hindu, but Im open to other religions. I beileve in Karma, moksha, etc.
Dexter Sinister
I'm a materialist, by which I mean that matter and energy in the way physics understands them--the elementary particles, the forces and energies that define their interactions, and whatever else we might discover of that nature in future--are the basic reality, and all phenomena can at least in principle be explained in terms of interactions among such bits of matter and energy. That's what all the reliable evidence we have points to. That necessarily makes me an atheist, by which I mean I do not believe there are any supernatural beings, from gods to tooth fairies, they're all inventions of human imagination with no reality beyond that. The sole article of faith that underlines that is this: the cosmos is consistent and comprehensible.

That seems to offend a lot of people, but I won't respond to challenges to my position in this thread, it's beyond the scope of what the OP intended. That discussion belongs somewhere else.
Atheist. Logic and reason are my friends.

My belief is simple, no one has proven to me that there is any god. If someone were to present concrete evidence that there was, I would consider it and examine it. Until then, I must presume that any deity is the same as the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Non-existant without proof.

I'd like to think that if there was a diety of some kind, she would be more receptive to a person using their "god-given" free will to think for themselves instead of following a faith simply because they are told to. I have talked to far too many Christians who haven't read the Bible to make that religion credible.
I am a church of one ....I call it Tamism. I connect to US (universal Spirit) and join everyone on the path of seekers. Hows that?
Quote: Originally Posted by LittleRunningGag

Atheist. Logic and reason are my friends.

I like that And of course I agree with it whole heartedly.
I am Pagan, I mean, Slavonic Paganism. We have a number of Gods. I, personally, am in the cult of Veles - the God of wisdom, wealth and the keeper of the underground world. He is also the keeper of Veles' Fields - the place where Priests and Warriors go to after they die. We honor our Gods, the spitits of our ancestors and the forces of nature.
Welcome, I had gone to an interfaith Beltane last week. It was beautiful and educational. What I liked best was that we acknowledged the same Source but we walked different paths.
I'm Jewish. :P
Woden, Thor and Mithra
Dexter Sinister
This is really a very provocative question. I stated some of my beliefs, or lack of them, in an earlier post, but it was too simple an answer, and I'm always continuing to think about stuff like this. My two favourite people on the planet, outside my own family, are Jews, but they're cultural Jews, not religious Jews. The husband of that pair, for instance, and my best friend, is an atheist as I am, while his wife, my second-best friend, is still a fence-sitter on that question, as is my own wife. But they do celebrate the major Jewish festivals, with good reason. I've been to Seder celebrations at their home many times (like every year for the past 15 years), and apart from the religious content they're really a celebration of endurance and triumph over adversity, which seem to me to be things well worth celebrating. And the admonitions that are part of the ceremony, best typified by the requirement to care for the stranger among you "because you too were once strangers in the land of Egypt, " seem to me to represent all that is best and most noble in human nature. That couple and their children have also been guests in our home for Christmas dinner at least as often as we've been guests at their Seder celebrations, and they understand Christ's message of inclusion, acceptance, and forgiveness at least as well as we do. Can you ask for better than that? No, I don't think so.

But after so many years, they're not really guests in our home, and we aren't really guests in their home. We're all family to some degree. We don't knock on their door or ring the bell, as they don't at our door, we just walk in and shout "Hi, we're here," and so do they. Again, can you ask for better than that?

Dexter Sinister
And a post script: the best friend of my best friend and me is a deeply scholarly Anglican minister, and his wife is a Lutheran minister, and somehow it all works out in mutual love and respect despite massive disagreements on principles. I can't pretend to understand it, but I know who I care about.
Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay View Post

that is believed in in the faith, to ITN, only the big-breasted one matters. There is between 200,000 and 1 million in the world.

Between 200,000 and 1 million what in the world? That's quite a huge range. Why did you adopt old Norse mythology in the first place? What attracted you to this form of spiritualism?

Salaam (peace to all of you)

My religion is Islam and I am a Muslim.

Some basic information about Islam

Islam is an Arabic word and its means ‘peace’ and submission. Peace from the root word Salaam.

Allah says in the Qur`an: ‘The only 'deen' ('way of Islamic religion' or 'way of life') approved by Allah is Submission…. (S 3: 19)

The foundation of the Islamic faith is belief in the Oneness of Almighty God. (Tauwhid: Monotheism)

Allah says in the Qur’an
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten
And there is none like unto Him. (Quran )

Your God is surely One.
(37:4) Qur’an.

Allah is the Arabic language word referring to "God", "the Lord" and, literally according to the Qur'an, to the "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" in the Abrahamic religions. It does not mean "a god", but rather "the Only God", the Supreme Creator of the universe, and it is the main term for the deity in Islam. However, "Allah" is not restricted to just Islam, and is used by Christians and Jews in some regions.

22. He is Allâh, than Whom there is Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but he) the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen (open). He is the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

23. He is Allâh than Whom there is Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) the King, the Holy, the One Free from all defects, the Giver of security, the Watcher over His creatures, the All-Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Glory be to Allâh! (High is He) above all that they associate as partners with Him.

24. He is Allâh, the Creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower of forms. To Him belong the Best Names. All that is in the
heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. (Quran)

Quran" - It comes from the Arabic root "qa-ra-'a" and it means "recitation." It is the holy book of Muslims.

Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him is the last and final prophet in Islam

Muslims believe in all the prophets such as “Adam Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Lot, Solomon, David, John, Joseph, Zechariah and many more

Allah says in the Quran.
Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhim (Abraham), Ismâ'il (Ishmael), Ishâque (Isaac), Ya'qűb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the twelve sons of Ya'qűb (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Műsa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm) (Quran)

Islam is based upon 5 pillars, these are things that a Muslim must do.
The first pillar of Islam is to believe and declare the faith by saying the Shahadah (Testimony of Faith)
La ilaha ila Allah; Muhammadur-rasul Allah. 'There is no god but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.'

The meaning is better understood in English as saying that there is no deity worthy of worship throughout the creation, only the Creator is worth of any worship

Prayer (Salah), in the sense of worship, is the second pillar of Islam. Prayer is obligatory and must be performed five times a day. These five times are dawn (Fajr), immediately after noon (Dhuhr), mid-afternoon ('Asr), sunset (Maghrib), and early night (Isha').
Salah is the way Muslims 'converse' with "Allah".

The third pillar of Islam is the alms-tax (Zakah). The word in Arabic implies "purification" and it is understood to mean that a person "purifies" his holdings of wealth from greed and stinginess. Our possessions are purified by setting aside that portion of it for those in need.

The fourth pillar of Islam is fasting. Allah prescribes daily fasting for all able, adult Muslims during the whole of the month of Ramadan, the ninth month of the lunar calendar, beginning with the sighting of the new moon.
Fasting is regarded principally as a method of self-purification. By cutting oneself off from worldly pleasures and comforts, even for a short time, the fasting person gains true sympathy for those who go hungry regularly, and achieves growth in his spiritual life, learning discipline, self-restraint, patience and flexibility.

The fifth pillar of Islam is to make a pilgrimage (Hajj) to Makkah, in Saudi Arabia, at least once in one's lifetime. This pillar is obligatory for every Muslim, male or female, provided that he/she is physically and financially able to do so.

The Hajj is the ultimate form of worship, as it involves the spirit of all the other rituals and demands of the believer great sacrifice. On this unique occasion, nearly two million Muslims from all over the globe meet one another in a given year. Regardless of the season, pilgrims wear special clothes (Ihram) - two, very simple, unsewn white garments - which strips away all distinctions of wealth, status, class and culture; all stand together and equal before Allah (God). The rites of Hajj go back to the time of Prophet Abraham who built the Ka'bah

Rituals of the faith alone are not enough.It is doing the good deeds that complements faith, Doing good deeds is practicing your religion.

Belief and good deeds go hand in hand, each complimenting the other.

Allah says in the Quran to believe and to do good deeds.

Verily, those who believe (in Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, for them are Gardens of delight (Paradise). (Quran)

Except those who believe (in Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds (103:3)

That He may recompense those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds. (Quran)

After the 5 pillars of Islam, there are 6 pillars of faith

Pillars of Faith (6 Beliefs of the Muslim)

• Allah (The One Almighty God of all)
• Angels (made from light)
• Books (all revealed scriptures are from Allah)
• Prophets (messengers of Allah)
• Day of Judgment of Judgment (everyone will be resurrected)
• Predestination (Divine Decree of Allah)

Every Muslim is required to believe in all six (6) of the above to be considered as a true Muslim

The purpose of life (in Islam) is to worship the Creator.
Allah says in the Quran:
“I have created not the jinn and men except that they should worship Me (Alone). I seek not any provision from them nor do I ask that they should feed Me. Verily, Allâh is the All-Provider, Owner of Power, Most Strong.” (51:56-5

“O mankind! It is you who stand in need of Allâh: but Allâh is the One Free of all wants Worthy of all praise.” (Qur'an 35:15)

To a Muslim the whole purpose of life is "ibadah" or worship to the One True Almighty God on Terms and under His Conditions
The term "worship" to a Muslim includes any and all acts of obedience to Almighty Allah.

So his purpose of life is a standing purpose; Worshipping Allah by accepting Allah's Will over his own.
This act of ibadah [worshipping, thanking and extolling the Greatness Almighty Allah on His Terms and Conditions] is for the Muslim, throughout his whole life regardless of the stage. Whether he is a child, adolescent, adult or aged person, he is seeking after the Will of the Almighty in all these stages.
His life here on earth although short, is full of purpose and is totally meaningful within the complete framework of total submission [Islam].


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