Religious Left

Zan
#31
LOL Jimm

a thought though: Could it be possible that the Christian left might just 'infiltrate' the right a tad - remind them what it was that Jesus was teaching?

Wouldn't that be nice? Maybe there is a middle ground - if everyone would just make room for it?

ah me... the eternal optomist ...... still hopin'.....

yadayadayada
 
Kreskin
#32
We're headin' for a religious civil war!
 
selfactivated
#33
Ya think? ......Im doomed!
 
LittleRunningGag
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by jimmoyer

I'm afraid of any group so dedicated to their own moral agenda that they try and force everyone else to live by it. It doesn't matter whether it comes from the left or the right.
-----------------------LittleRunningGag-------------------

I'm tired of all this righteousness towards cartoons.
I live in the heart of this so-called nightmare, and guess
what ?

It's nowhere near what the cartoon headlines proclaim.

You know as well as I do, reporters are excited by
the crazies, the car accidents, the fires, and they
jump to it, because they know their audience really
well.

And we're the audience.

No, it isn't a matter of cartoons. I read papers, I talk to people from the region you live in. I see states like South Dakota doing their best to make sure that everyone lives by their values (ie making abortion illegal.) If the Christian Right (tm) wasn't something to fear, they'd leave us to live our lives the way we wanted.
 
darkbeaver
#35
Cosmo listed some ideals or traits at the beginning of this thread, love, tolerance, charity, patients, honesty none of these qualitys are religious, they are human. The dogma of organized religion quickly overpowers these good ways and pretends to be the source. Religious left, religious right, religious center, they're all religious and when the heats on they'll feed you god instead of soup. There is no time left for religion. God doesn't care.
 
jimmoyer
#36
It's still nowhere near what the headlines and cartoons
proclaim.

There's a lot of legitimate debate on culture
and values and rights by both sides.

And in the middle
of it all are the majority who go about the business of
their lives who in reality are more affected by what
they do themselves than anything we read in the news.
 
darkbeaver
#37
But that's the problem Jim.
 
jimmoyer
#38
Huh wha ?

Problem ?
 
LeCentre
#39
Two quotations that cut to the heart of the matter:

"Religious people who believe in high taxes?

I though Christians thought theft was a sin? "

"I'm afraid of any group so dedicated to their own moral agenda that they try and force everyone else to live by it. It doesn't matter whether it comes from the left or the right."

On the one hand, you have Christians identifying themselves with traditional political issues, and saying that's their demarcation line for being right or left. On the other, you have Christians saying that Christianity and Christian values are a political issue and not just a religious issue. By extension, those on the Christian right want to impose their moral system, as in the point of abortion.

What I can add to the question

The Left has a religion in the sense of dogmas and deeply held beliefs. In fact, a Harvard prof was recently prevented obtaining tenure since his mostly left-wing colleagues disliked his writing in contradiction to those dogmas. The point is that they're trying to impose their beliefs and thoughts by stifling opposition. Blogger Dr Sanity has a post on denial where she mentions concerted efforts by left-wingers to pan Conservative books in an effort to limit their sales.

That's the real scary thing about the Left's religion.

I wrote about it here: http://centrerion.blogspot.com/2006/... Conservatives.

I'm a centrist by the way, and you may care to see my hollering denunciation of http://centrerion.blogspot.com/2006/...euhaus-or.htmlAmerica's Catholic Terrorist Ideologue, a man President Bush chummily calls "Father Richard,"</a> Father Richard John Neuhaus. He advocates violence to "defend" Catholicism. I wrote this denunciation in the context of a reference to a New Republic article on the man, written by a former employee.

So yeah... how's about some tolerance. For all beliefs, not just religious ones.

Lecentre
Centrerion Canadian Politics
http://centrerion.blogspot.com
 
Finder
#40
Well I know those on the left and the right here will ignore what I'm about to say so I'll be brief. The Left wing in Canada, that of the New Democratic Party and it's party before the CCF were made by the religous left in Canada. Almost all the leaders of these parties were religous men and "Canadians Greatist Canadian" (CBC) Tommy Douglas was actually a Minister of a church. Also the early and even the late socialists movements were all extremely religous. It was only with Marxism that religion was pushed aside.
 
LittleRunningGag
#41
I agree, both extremes are a problem. The left attempting to stifle free speech through ultra-PC, and anti-hate speech laws, is just as bad as the abortion, SSM issues.

The difference, I think is in, as they say, the details. The Christian right has the backing of some major supporters, namely the people in power. Plus, the left is no where near as vocal. The right seems to have gotten a bur in their collective ass and won't be satisfied until they win.

Remember the "War on Christmas?" What a Gong Show that was. People were actually objecting to stores having policies of openness and tollerance.

I mean, how can you possibly object to that?!? Unbelievable.
 
selfactivated
#42
excuse my ignorance and the lateness of the evening, but I think the left is quiet because they have a strong belief that it will all sift out. Somewhere (gawd this place is so big) There was a conversation that right and left politics didnt necesarily go hand in hand with right and left religion. OK I'll agree to that only because the word religion was used. Replace it with "Belief system" and I think its truer to the mark.
 
LittleRunningGag
#43
:blink:

Well that doesn't sound the least bit crazy.

While I support the end of organized religion, and it is my personal view that organized religion is one of the true evils that exist in our world today, there is no way that I could ever advocate for its involuntary destruction. If people wanted to end it themselves, I'd be all for that. But forcing the destruction of religion?!? I would fight you tooth and nail.

EDIT: Well, there was a crazy post above this one (full of bolded red type) just a second ago.
 
Vereya
#44
It is a similar sense of entitlement that animates the Christian theocrats; they believe that God has anointed them, as Christian Right leader D. James Kennedy has put it, as "God's vice-regents"
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If it is really the way it is written here, it is very - very scary.
 
tracy
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by jimmoyer

And about that charity, I don't see complaints about
that. I see intead both left and right complaining
about any corruption or mis-use or waste of that
charity.

Then you aren't talking to the same people I am. I live in liberal central and hear plenty of conservatives and liberals b*tching about it. They are pretty much all Christians. Only once have I been catty and asked them what Jesus would do if he were around today... It sort of ended the conversation.
 
Jay
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by Zan

a thought though: Could it be possible that the Christian left might just 'infiltrate' the right a tad - remind them what it was that Jesus was teaching?

Oh yes, Jesus would tell us all that a behemoth federal government was the answer to all our problems for sure....
 
tracy
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Oh yes, Jesus would tell us all that a behemoth federal government was the answer to all our problems for sure....

Did I say anything about that? I am talking about charity plain and simple, not any government.
 
Jay
#48
Sorry Tracy, I misposted and then corrected it....my bad.
 
tracy
#49
Gotcha
 
Zan
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Quote: Originally Posted by Zan

a thought though: Could it be possible that the Christian left might just 'infiltrate' the right a tad - remind them what it was that Jesus was teaching?

Oh yes, Jesus would tell us all that a behemoth federal government was the answer to all our problems for sure....

quite right Jay, I doubt he would. Wasn't my point though...
 
selfactivated
#51
I think Zan's point was that there needs to be a middle ground and that Jesus taught tollerance and patience. (Feel free to tell me if Im off track Zan) Im not a christian but I do think if the far right(?) ACTUALLY read the teachings of their leader they wouldnt BE so right (pun intended)
 

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