Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election


Liberalman
Free Thinker
#1
Enough is enough the Conservative government has outlived their usefulness in leading this country.

Today on CTV Question Period the two hosts will get the news and off we go.

This election will be different from previous years and this election people will have a simple choice.

Do Canadians want to elect a bumbling government for a third time or will they elect a government that wants to fix the problems and plan for the future.

The campaign bus is fueled and ready to go.

It is time for a change.
 
CDNBear
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

Do Canadians want to elect a bumbling government for a third time or will they elect a government that wants to fix the problems and plan for the future.

Which Gov't is that?
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#3
I think the two parties are running neck and neck (the last poll I saw Liberals were slightly ahead). There was no reason for the last election, except that the Messiah thought that he will be able to get a majority (and to give Dion his due, he stopped conservatives from getting a majority).

But with Ignatieff, Liberal party has been revitalized, it has paid off the loan, the party is not broke any more. Conservatives have been in power long enough so that disillusionment is beginning to set in (but yet not long enough for people to get thoroughly disgusted). The next election should be interesting.
 
Walter
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

it has paid off the loan, the party is not broke any more.

I haven't read about this. It's not listed on their web site. Please give a link.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

Enough is enough the Conservative government has outlived their usefulness in leading this country.

Today on CTV Question Period the two hosts will get the news and off we go.

This election will be different from previous years and this election people will have a simple choice.

Do Canadians want to elect a bumbling government for a third time or will they elect a government that wants to fix the problems and plan for the future.

The campaign bus is fueled and ready to go.

It is time for a change.

As scary as it may seem I think I'd rather take my chances with Harper than Ignatieff. Ignatieff isn't going to get us out of the recession- probably just borrow his way deeper into it.
 
china
Conservative
#6
Liberalman

Quote:

This election will be different from previous years and this election people will have a simple choice.

People will receive three(3) Red Books full of promises which includes scraping of the GST , right?
 
china
Conservative
#7
Quote:

This election will be different from previous years and this election people will have a simple choice.

You mean people will know who not to vote for?....or what?
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

I think the two parties are running neck and neck (the last poll I saw Liberals were slightly ahead). There was no reason for the last election, except that the Messiah thought that he will be able to get a majority (and to give Dion his due, he stopped conservatives from getting a majority).

But with Ignatieff, Liberal party has been revitalized, it has paid off the loan, the party is not broke any more. Conservatives have been in power long enough so that disillusionment is beginning to set in (but yet not long enough for people to get thoroughly disgusted). The next election should be interesting.

Yeah, it will be interesting - probably be a toss up as to whether Harper wins two or three more seats or loses two or three.
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
#9
I am anxious to hear all about the liberal's secret platform that will magically transform this global recession into another boom.

To date, all I've heard from Iggy is that EI should be altered to allow those that have worked 45 days to qualify for full EI benefits and that the libs are furious with Harper as he hasn't spent enough to ward-off the recession.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

I think the two parties are running neck and neck (the last poll I saw Liberals were slightly ahead). There was no reason for the last election, except that the Messiah thought that he will be able to get a majority (and to give Dion his due, he stopped conservatives from getting a majority).

But with Ignatieff, Liberal party has been revitalized, it has paid off the loan, the party is not broke any more. Conservatives have been in power long enough so that disillusionment is beginning to set in (but yet not long enough for people to get thoroughly disgusted). The next election should be interesting.

So, in essence what you are saying is there was NO reason for the last election (after 2 and one half years) because it was only called so the Conservatives could win a majority.....

But there is EVERY reason for an election now (after 9 months) because the Liberals might win a minority.....

WHY am I not surprized???



Oh, he can't hear me....God forbid the land of goodness, sweetness, brainlessness and Liberalism ever be disturbed by discordent voices!

What an idiot.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

I am anxious to hear all about the liberal's secret platform that will magically transform this global recession into another boom.

To date, all I've heard from Iggy is that EI should be altered to allow those that have worked 45 days to qualify for full EI benefits and that the libs are furious with Harper as he hasn't spent enough to ward-off the recession.

Yeah, I haven't heard from him though where the money is coming from- and he's going to reduce the G.S.T.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually that would be a moot point anyway, under Iggy no one will have enough money to spend on anything where the G.S.T. is applicable.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

Enough is enough the Conservative government has outlived their usefulness in leading this country.

Today on CTV Question Period the two hosts will get the news and off we go.

This election will be different from previous years and this election people will have a simple choice.

Do Canadians want to elect a bumbling government for a third time or will they elect a government that wants to fix the problems and plan for the future.

The campaign bus is fueled and ready to go.

It is time for a change.

First of all, the guys on CTV Question Period do not call elections.

Secondly, no one would win a majority.

Thirdly, we just HAD an election...

And Fourth.....does anybody know where Saint Ignatieff stands on ANYTHING??????

Anybody?????
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Yeah, I haven't heard from him though where the money is coming from- and he's going to reduce the G.S.T.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually that would be a moot point anyway, under Iggy no one will have enough money to spend on anything where the G.S.T. is applicable.



From what I've heard, Iggy stated that both a carbon tax and a GST hike were not out of the question.

It's no secret that I am not a fan of tax increases, but increasing a person's overall cost of living via GST and a increase through the carbon tax will be disastrous. The timing on this one is extraordinarily bad.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

First of all, the guys on CTV Question Period do not call elections.

Secondly, no one would win a majority.

Thirdly, we just HAD an election...

And Fourth.....does anybody know where Saint Ignatieff stands on ANYTHING??????

Anybody?????

Yep, in a pile of bullsh*t just about up to his ears.
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post


But with Ignatieff, Liberal party has been revitalized, it has paid off the loan, the party is not broke any more.

No debt does not imply that they are flush with cash... For that matter, I see that Iggy must rely on YouTube as his primary advertising medium - not exactly the most effective way to communicate with the majority of the electorate.
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#16
The Liberals and Conservatives are not exactly neck and neck. If both parties get an equal share of the undecided vote, the Liberals would win a majority. The following is the latest Nanos poll:

Committed Voters - Canada (N=879, MoE ± 3.3%, 19 times out of 20)

Liberal Party 37% (+1)
Conservative Party 32% (-1)
NDP 16% (+1)
BQ 8% (-1)
Green Party 7% (NC)
(*Note: Undecided 12%)
 
Colpy
Conservative
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

The Liberals and Conservatives are not exactly neck and neck. If both parties get an equal share of the undecided vote, the Liberals would win a majority. The following is the latest Nanos poll:

Committed Voters - Canada (N=879, MoE ± 3.3%, 19 times out of 20)

Liberal Party 37% (+1)
Conservative Party 32% (-1)
NDP 16% (+1)
BQ 8% (-1)
Green Party 7% (NC)
(*Note: Undecided 12%)

Possible, yes....but I doubt it.

Heaven knows you can't predict....like someone said, a week is a long time in politics....Harper was fully expecting a majority last time.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

The Liberals and Conservatives are not exactly neck and neck. If both parties get an equal share of the undecided vote, the Liberals would win a majority. The following is the latest Nanos poll:

Committed Voters - Canada (N=879, MoE ± 3.3%, 19 times out of 20)

Liberal Party 37% (+1)
Conservative Party 32% (-1)
NDP 16% (+1)
BQ 8% (-1)
Green Party 7% (NC)
(*Note: Undecided 12%)

IF everything went the Liberals' way. It would depend very much how that undecided vote is spread amongst the ridings. I would guess that a majority of the undecideds probably won't vote. Liberals should have the edge solely because Harper isn't doing much to pull us out of the recession (but that's because a P.M. has very little power in that regard)
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Possible, yes....but I doubt it.

Heaven knows you can't predict....like someone said, a week is a long time in politics....Harper was fully expecting a majority last time.

I really don't expect a Summer election. As much as I think the Conservatives should be stopped before they bury the country in debt, there is a possibility that the voters might poop all over the party that causes a Summer election.

On the other hand, the trend seems to be moving away from the tories. Harper made the mistake of pissing off Quebec and Newfoundland before the last election and he has done nothing to patch up those problems. I would say that Harper is done like toast.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

I really don't expect a Summer election. As much as I think the Conservatives should be stopped before they bury the country in debt, there is a possibility that the voters might poop all over the party that causes a Summer election.

On the other hand, the trend seems to be moving away from the tories. Harper made the mistake of pissing off Quebec and Newfoundland before the last election and he has done nothing to patch up those problems. I would say that Harper is done like toast.

For either side to call/force an election within the next year would be highly irresponsible- the cost alone would be in the order of $300 million.
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

The Liberals and Conservatives are not exactly neck and neck. If both parties get an equal share of the undecided vote, the Liberals would win a majority. The following is the latest Nanos poll:

Committed Voters - Canada (N=879, MoE ± 3.3%, 19 times out of 20)

Liberal Party 37% (+1)
Conservative Party 32% (-1)
NDP 16% (+1)
BQ 8% (-1)
Green Party 7% (NC)
(*Note: Undecided 12%)

Juan, Nanos has the reputation as being the most reliable in predicting election results (they predicted Paul Martin minority when conservatives had just about started celebrating victory).

I had not seen that poll; the one I saw was Lib:Con 33:31 Nanos poll certainly looks better for Liberals.

The point is, Conservatives are toast in Quebec (and Liberals have made big strides in Quebec). So can Harper persuade enough Ontarians to vote for him and give him a minority? We will have to wait and see. But Ontario has always been suspicions of Harper, and Harper may have a daunting task ahead of him.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

Enough is enough the Conservative government has outlived their usefulness in leading this country.

Today on CTV Question Period the two hosts will get the news and off we go.

This election will be different from previous years and this election people will have a simple choice.

Do Canadians want to elect a bumbling government for a third time or will they elect a government that wants to fix the problems and plan for the future.

The campaign bus is fueled and ready to go.

It is time for a change.

I don't have any love for Harper but if the Liberals force another election on us before 2012 I will vote for the Conservatives. Besides which the Liberals still have to find a leader. He/she must have some business experience, be able to speak English and been West of Toronto at least once in their lifetime.
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

IF everything went the Liberals' way. It would depend very much how that undecided vote is spread amongst the ridings. I would guess that a majority of the undecideds probably won't vote. Liberals should have the edge solely because Harper isn't doing much to pull us out of the recession (but that's because a P.M. has very little power in that regard)

At the time of that poll, the Liberals were looking at 37 percent. The undecided represented 12 percent. If the liberals got only forty percent of the undecided vote they would be in majority territory. At the moment I won't make any bets.
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#24
Anyway, if conservative lose power without getting even one majority, that will be truly pathetic. Liberals got three majorities and a minority, I would think Conservatives would get at least one majority.

In fact that was the main reason why none of the big name candidates (McKenna, Manley etc.) ran for Liberal leadership (when Dion won the leadership). Liberals had just lost power, Messiah had got a minority. They figured there will be two years of minority government and then four year of Con majority government. Then if Liberals win after that, the candidate will have to commit himself to serving at least one four year term.

That would mean a commitment for at least ten years. Many of them were not willing to do that. But they evidently overestimated the Conservative chances of getting a majority.

Contrast this with the last time. After a prolonged Liberal rule (Trudeau and Turner), Mulroney managed to get two back to back majorities. If this time Messiah cannot manage even one, that really will be an indication of how far out of touch with Canadians the Conservative party actually is.
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

I don't have any love for Harper but if the Liberals force another election on us before 2012 I will vote for the Conservatives. Besides which the Liberals still have to find a leader. He/she must have some business experience, be able to speak English and been West of Toronto at least once in their lifetime.

Most Liberal would disagree with you. Business experience didn't seem to help Flaherty. Ignatieff speaks English, French, and Russian fluently. The Conservatives have a leader who has only managed a couple minority governments and he won't even have that this time around.
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
#26
Juan,

Your sole focus appears to rest on some form of negative (relative to the cons) that is convenient at the time... Rather than beat this drum about why to not support Harper, perhaps you can provide tangible reasons why someone should support Ignatieff.

As far as I can tell, all he represents is fluency in a few languages (only 1 of which is 'official' in Canada) and having taught in some international locations... He has lived out of Canada for over 3 decades, I believe that it's fair to state that he doesn't have a clue about what's happening (and has happened) in Canada over that time.

Certainly that is not the resume of a person that you wish to lead your nation.
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#27
Most Liberal would disagree with you. Business experience didn't seem to help Flaherty.

That is an understatement, Juan. Wherever Flaherty stepped in, he caused utter destruction. He was finance minister under Mike Harris, here in Ontario. He steered the economy into a ditch, put it into a huge hole (6 billion $ deficit, which conservatives falsely claimed to be 2 billion during the election campaign)

His lot was booted out of Toronto, but like a bad penny surfaced again in Ottawa. Here he outdid himself, from 6 billion $ deficit, he went to 50 billion $ deficit, the biggest ever in the history of Canada (he outdid Trudeau and Mulroney, which must have taken some doing).

Now to be fair, it was not totally his fault, there is a word recession going on, thanks to Bush. However, Flaherty does deserve some blame, for frittering away the Liberal surplus, wasting it into tax cuts mainly benefiting the rich. If Flaherty had kept on with Liberal tradition of running healthy surplus, the deficit today may be a lot less than 50 billion $.

But somehow conservatism seems to be synonymous with huge deficits, there have been so many examples. Mulroney, Reagan, 1st Bush, 2nd Bush, Mike Harris, now the Messiah.
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

From what I've heard, Iggy stated that both a carbon tax and a GST hike were not out of the question.

It's no secret that I am not a fan of tax increases, but increasing a person's overall cost of living via GST and a increase through the carbon tax will be disastrous. The timing on this one is extraordinarily bad.

Our debt is piling up at a rate we haven't seen before and even Harper doesn't know how high it will get. A tax increase has been guaranteed by Flaherty. A hike in GST is the next obvious choice. Has Flaherty's insane spending helped employ people? The unemployed are over 9 percent and growing. God help us.
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#29
Your sole focus appears to rest on some form of negative (relative to the cons) that is convenient at the time... Rather than beat this drum about why to not support Harper, perhaps you can provide tangible reasons why someone should support Ignatieff.

That is the reality, Captain, people vote for or against the government, it is rare that people will vote for or against the opposition. Thus Harper won his first election because people were fed up with Liberal scandals and in general got bored with Liberals (hardly surprising, after being in power for13 years) and not because they particularly liked Harper.

So Cons won the first election because people voted against the government of the day (Liberals). After that, it was up to Harper to give Canadians a positive reason to vote for him. Canadians will not keep voting for him just because he says that the alternative is worse.

It is the government’s task to give people a positive reason to vote for it, not the opposition’s task. So far Harper has failed miserably in giving people a reason to vote for him.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

Your sole focus appears to rest on some form of negative (relative to the cons) that is convenient at the time... Rather than beat this drum about why to not support Harper, perhaps you can provide tangible reasons why someone should support Ignatieff.

That is the reality, Captain, people vote for or against the government, it is rare that people will vote for or against the opposition. Thus Harper won his first election because people were fed up with Liberal scandals and in general got bored with Liberals (hardly surprising, after being in power for13 years) and not because they particularly liked Harper.

So Cons won the first election because people voted against the government of the day (Liberals). After that, it was up to Harper to give Canadians a positive reason to vote for him. Canadians will not keep voting for him just because he says that the alternative is worse.

It is the government’s task to give people a positive reason to vote for it, not the opposition’s task. So far Harper has failed miserably in giving people a reason to vote for him.

and Iggy has failed miserably in giving the people a reason to vote for him........
 

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