How big is Formula 1 in Canada?


Frappuccino Dibs
#1
Is there much of a following of F1 in Canada?

I know there is a Canadian Grand Prix but that isn't indicative of a huge following.
 
mrmom2
#2
F1 SUCKS THOSE CARS ARE SO AUTOMATED THEY DON'T NEED DRIVERS ANYMORE
 
Frappuccino Dibs
#3
Ok - is there anybody who knows anything about the sport that can answer?
 
mrmom2
#4
Sorry Dibbs I know a lot and those cars suck .They really don't need drivers anymore there just face men.I can tell you that not to many people care about F1 here .Theres probably more fans in Montreal than anywhere else in Canada.Thay are the only ones that get to see the cars up close By they way my uncle is a big wig at Bridgestone tire and he's the one that told me the cars don't relly need drivers
 
Frappuccino Dibs
#5
Each to their own I guess.

Ensuring your tyres last the entire race and your engine lasts two races takes skill though.

At least it doesn't suck as much as 400 laps of an Oval.

I'm surprised your Uncle has such low opinions of the drivers considering Bridgestones finest is Michael Schumacher. I know a lot of Schumacher fans that would argue heatedly about that. Not me though, I think he's seriously overrated.
 
Reverend Blair
-1
#6
F-1 has a pretty big following in Quebec, Dibs. Outside of Quebec it drops off considerably.

CART used to be the major form of open wheel in North America. Rightly so too...big ovals, little ovals, road courses, and street races...all in the same cars with the same drivers. Tony George buggered that up for us though.

NASCAR is the biggest form of racing here now, at least if you go by the TV ratings. It's not as easy as it looks either. It takes a considerable amount of skill to win a NASCAR race.

The thing is that the skills required for NASCAR have about as much to do with the skills required for F-1 as wombats have to do with elephants. Two completely different animals.

That's why I still consider Mario Andretti to be the greatest all around driver ever...he could do it all. Nobody else has won in everything from open-wheel dirt tracks to F-1. There have been better drivers than him in every series, but there's never been anybody who did as well as him in NASCAR, CART and F-1.

As for Schui...I remember him winning in a Benneton when that wasn't even considered possible. I wonder if he's still that sharp. Then again, I caught part of the race on the weekend and he was lapping two seconds faster than everybody else.
 
AirIntake
#7
Villeneuve's (?sp) car was able to drive itself in about '98 or '99. That was when I stopped watching F1. Personally, I like rally, like the WRC. There isn't going to be any computer for quite awhile that can drive a rally car.
 
Cathou
#8
Formula 1 is indeed pretty big here. and with the new rules this years, it's more interresting. And well, the computer take less and less place now. look at Villeneuve this week-end, he had his onboard almost disconnected and he get better times because of that...
 
Reverend Blair
-1
#9
The new rules do seem to have brought it back to the drivers more, that's for sure.

Do they still race Corvettes and Porsches in Quebec? I can't remember the name of the series, but TSN used to carry it about 15 years ago. It was basically showroom stock racing and it was very competitive. I miss that.
 
Frappuccino Dibs
#10
Airintake,

Villeneuves car may have been able to drive itself in 98 or 99, but his cars were still crappy then and he didn't acheive anything.

To those that think F1 cars are easy to drive:

Most road cars that you and I drive nowdays have on board computers with traction control, cruise control, parking sensors, automatic window wipers, airbags for each testicle and heated seats etc. But we still crash them. It takes skill to drive any car, not least one thats capable of well over 200mph.

Don't sell those guys short, just because they need different skills to a rally driver of a NASCAR driver etc, doesn't mean they have no skill.
 
Reverend Blair
#11
Quote:

Most road cars that you and I drive nowdays have on board computers with traction control, cruise control, parking sensors, automatic window wipers, airbags for each testicle and heated seats etc. But we still crash them. It takes skill to drive any car, not least one thats capable of well over 200mph.

My truck has none of those things.

Quote:

To those that think F1 cars are easy to drive:

Consider Michael Andretti's F-1 experience. He was one of the top drivers in CART when he went to F-1 and he never did get the hang of the cars. Of course he did induce a couple of CART-style crashes, which spiced things up a bit.
 
AirIntake
#12
Oh, F1 drivers sure don't lack skill, but I still think the cars are too computerized. I heard that the cars are able to brake automatically before corners based on GPS data, as well as shift. I don't think a car should 'know' the track, that should be left to the driver's skill. I don't mind automated help like ABS, TC, and SC, because they have no foreknowledge of the track, they just know driver inputs and some onboard sensor inputs.
 
Frappuccino Dibs
#13
The cars certainly do not break automatically. If they did we would never see people outbreaking people into corners ar running wide because they broke to late.

Drivers can set the brake biase from controls on the steering wheel.

Imagine being in a race situation and having to make adjustments to the cars handling whilst your going. F1 drivers have to control a computer as well as a very fast race car.

You and I do not have to make adjustments to ECU's whilst we're driving. The technicle aspect of F1 is just another reason why it is so good. Unfortunately many people cannot appreciate the technicle aspect and they just want to see constant overtaking and big crashes.

I actually wish F1 cars would lose TC now. I believe the plan is to lose it in the next year or so.
 
Wetcoast40
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Frappuccino Dibs

Is there much of a following of F1 in Canada?
I know there is a Canadian Grand Prix but that isn't indicative of a huge following.

There a lots of us 'closet' F1 fans hiding in the woods. I'm a Trains, Planes and Automobiles freak from birth. My Dad had the first Triumph Twin in Canada in the mid-thirties and raced it, so Moto GP and WSB are also on my list of must-watch. I prefer the Speed Channel version of F1 races with their announce crew over the ITV crew on TSN despite the fact that they are just watching the International TV feed and not really at the race.
The FIA have changed enough of the rules to put the driver back in the driver's seat, but some of their qualifying and engine/tire rule changes defy explanation. But there's no point in whining. After all, they'll probably change them before the Canadian GP.
My one hope is that the dissenting teams (everyone but Ferrari and Red Bull) stick together and force a new series to show the Red Devil that it doesn't run the show. Bernie and Ross are going to be lonely, with any luck.
 
Ten Packs
#15
Although I realize it's done for a purpose (disperse the forces involved, ergo safety), I can't abide the way open-wheel cars just "disintegrate" with the slightest bump with another car -
"girly-cars". NOT the drivers - the cars.

Give me the door-banging, fender-bashing, paint-trading action of NASCAR or BUSCH anyday.....
 
Reverend Blair
-1
#16
Quote:

Give me the door-banging, fender-bashing, paint-trading action of NASCAR or BUSCH anyday.....

My niece is driving in the demolition derby again this year, Ten Packs...let me know if you'll be in Saskatchewan, I'll see if I can get you a pit pass.
 
mrmom2
#17
I like F1 for the sheer amount of RPM's those motors turn nothing like that sound But give me Nascar Those boys really know how to stick their cars up in the open holes
 
Robbin
#18
Not as big as it is in monacco, thats forsure. Pitty, isn't it.
 
mrmom2
#19
Hey Dibbs did you see the show down at Indy between Jeff Gordon and one of the BMW drivers?Theyswapped cars and had some fun Gordon was the supieror driver by far after a few laps he turned them faster than the F1 guy did!The guy from F1 could not drive the Nascar no matter what changes they made to it
 
I think not
#20
Pretty big event in Montreal
 
Frappuccino Dibs
#21
Mrmom2:

As I understand it, Gordon did not turn faster laps in the F1 car than the F1 driver did in the F1 car - but he was close.

Certainly the F1 driver did not make the impression in the NASCAR that Gordon did in the F1 car.

Personally I'd rather not compare Apples with Oranges though. F1 and Nascar are very different things.
 
adityaroy8744
#22
I live in Ontario, Canada and have been following Formula 1 Canadian Grand Prix for the last 20 years. Of course, it is popular in Canada as it has been organized since 1961. I have seen Michael Schumacher winning a live couple of times, and it was a monumental experience. Its craze has increased over the years when Jacques Villeneuve, our very own racer won the title in 1997.
 
MHz
#23
Is that a EU name??


I slowed down on following it when the regs stopped development of artificial driving aids like computer braking in tight corners. I would much rather sit in one than watch any race. These are abouts as cheap as a 'race-car' gets. There any clubs down your way??
 
Gilgamesh
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by AirIntake View Post

Villeneuve's (?sp) car was able to drive itself in about '98 or '99. That was when I stopped watching F1. Personally, I like rally, like the WRC. There isn't going to be any computer for quite awhile that can drive a rally car.

I have been a steady fan since the 1960.

The idea that the cars do not require any driving talent or even just a driver, is too silly for words.

It has its faults but at least it isn't as boring as a 4 hour oval race, and the ability, lap after lap, to moderate and even control a 5G breaking from 210 mph down to 60mph outbreaking or out driving your rivals as you do, is an incredible skill; likewise taking corners with the car generating 3-5G side loads and staying in control is especially fascinating to watch. The ridiculously fast pit stops timed to frustrate an opponent also interest me.

Someone praised Mario Andretti. He was a giant.

Because the cars have evolved so fast, it is almost a waste of time to do so.

In the '50's it was Fangio and Moss. In the sixties Jimmy Clark who made it look so easy. Then wee Jackie Stewart. Schumi who was brilliant was also a dirty driver at times. Today we have Lewis Hamilton who just may be the best of all. Apart from driving faster than anyone else when necessary, he seems to look after his car & tires better than others. Finally, and just as importantly, he makes way less mistakes than others.

For me, NASCAR is a bore & Indy too crash prone. However, the drivers are talented too.
 
Gilgamesh
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by mrmom2 View Post

Sorry Dibbs I know a lot and those cars suck .They really don't need drivers anymore there just face men.I can tell you that not to many people care about F1 here .Theres probably more fans in Montreal than anywhere else in Canada.Thay are the only ones that get to see the cars up close By they way my uncle is a big wig at Bridgestone tire and he's the one that told me the cars don't relly need drivers

Your post shows and proves you know SFA.

You couldnt get more silly if you really worked at it.
 
Gilgamesh
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Frappuccino Dibs View Post

Mrmom2:

As I understand it, Gordon did not turn faster laps in the F1 car than the F1 driver did in the F1 car - but he was close.

Certainly the F1 driver did not make the impression in the NASCAR that Gordon did in the F1 car.

Personally I'd rather not compare Apples with Oranges though. F1 and Nascar are very different things.

Gordon did not even turn particularly competitive laps. What he did do was turn a couple of laps that showed excellent car control and promise. However, he was way too expensive and way too old.

When posting fiction keep it as real as possible.
 
Gilgamesh
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Your post shows and proves you know SFA.

You couldnt get more silly if you really worked at it.

I agree. Dibbs is embarassing himself. The F1 drivers do not get paid in the millions for nothing. To suggest so, is way beyond ridiculous.
 
Curious Cdn
#28
It took fifteen years for this old clunker to make it around the circuit. I wonder if any of the other posters are still alive?
 
Gilgamesh
#29
LAST ? WORDS

I raced a Lotus in the early Sixties at Mosport, St,Jovite, Lime Rock,Ohio etc. Then I declared bankruptcy! Hey,I was young; and as I found to my sorrow, nowhere as talented as I had first believed.

The top drivers were/are incredibly talented. Stop this nonsense.
 
Curious Cdn
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

LAST ? WORDS
I raced a Lotus in the early Sixties at Mosport, St,Jovite, Lime Rock,Ohio etc. Then I declared bankruptcy! Hey,I was young; and as I found to my sorrow, nowhere as talented as I had first believed.
The top drivers were/are incredibly talented. Stop this nonsense.

... against Mario?
 

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