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gerryh
#3511
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

But Trump said the Russians didn't interfere with the election. Are you truly so dim that you blame Obama for not taking action against the Russians for something you deny they did?
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That was a rhetorical question, right? I mean this moron, and the brain dead idiot being quoted, blame Trudeau for Harper immigration screening and policies. How fu cking stupid can one be?
 
spilledthebeer
#3512
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

But Trump said the Russians didn't interfere with the election. Are you truly so dim that you blame Obama for not taking action against the Russians for something you deny they did?

As to the girl in the store, Canadians are pussies. You first and foremost.

Oh little T-gurl- you are lying yet again! The latest news drama says Obama KNEW about Russian attempts to interfere for five months! Any hones person- and that lets you out- will understand that if the Russians are allowed enough time they WILL succeed in making a mess!

Is it not fortunate for us Cdns that some of our news media is still hostile to your fake news! Even if they do play the Yanez video backwards? Or perhaps we should assume it CAME THAT WAY from Yankee fake news makers?

And a further plus for us Cdns- our govt will still get pissed if foreigners screw with our elections-unlike Obama! The spectacle of a bunch of stinking lawyers working through ballots in in Florida and deciding which to keep and which to throw away during the first George W election got some play up this way and its sickening and we hope that sane heads will prevent such crap in future!

Of course if people like you T-gurly have their way we can kiss elections good bye forever! The Great Republic and its best institutions are under attack by nitwits like you!
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#3513
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

That was a rhetorical question, right? I mean this moron, and the brain dead idiot being quoted, blame Trudeau for Harper immigration screening and policies. How fu cking stupid can one be?

It's staggering. Does Canada let people this stupid wander around without supervision? Not that I'm in a great position to criticize, the U.S. certainly does.
 
TenPenny
#3514
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Oh little T-gurl- you are lying yet again! The latest news drama says Obama KNEW about Russian attempts to interfere for five months! Any hones person- and that lets you out- will understand that if the Russians are allowed enough time they WILL succeed in making a mess!



But wait, Trump said that there was no Russian interference. You're just believing that fake news.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#3515
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

But wait, Trump said that there was no Russian interference. You're just believing that fake news.

It's what fools do.
 
spilledthebeer
#3516
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

It's what fools do.

Oh T-gurly- I know its tough to be exposed as a liar and now you are struggling to salvage some shreds of dignity and self respect but it was lies and arrogance that got you into this mess and more lies wont dig you back out!

Anybody wants truth and ogic re this Trump/ Russian is likely to be badly disappointed! Especially with liars like you feeding the fire! Thus far, the only proof we have of anything is that a whole bunch of Yankees talked about some sort of crap with some foreigners-this is not Watergate except in your own fevered mind!!

AS for Obama, the guy has surely disgraced himself as thoroughly as you have! The guy KNEW- by his own admission- FOR FIVE MONTHS- that Russians were fiddling with the upcoming election in some fashio that is STILL not clearly understood! What actually DID they doi? And how much of it? And with all the intelligence gathering, surveillance stuff in US army possession and they cannot hack into the e-mails of some spies? WTF?

In most parts of the world, messing with or even TRYING to mess with an election is an act that is pretty close to declaring war- even we Cdns would be outraged! And its one good reason why Our idiot Boy Trudope is looking bad in the public eye! He has been shameless in trying to rig our elections in his favour!

Our idiot Boy has had to shelve his electoral reform/neo fascist crap. And he seems to have lost interest in discussing his Islamophobia garbage as well- though the committee he struck to `study` the issue and see how much he could get away with is still screwing around out there some place! Likely too afraid to speak to the public and certainly too afraid to crawl back to Our idiot Boy and tell him Cdns will not sit still for this Islamophobia crap!

Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Oh T-gurly- I know its tough to be exposed as a liar and now you are struggling to salvage some shreds of dignity and self respect but it was lies and arrogance that got you into this mess and more lies wont dig you back out!

Anybody wants truth and ogic re this Trump/ Russian is likely to be badly disappointed! Especially with liars like you feeding the fire! Thus far, the only proof we have of anything is that a whole bunch of Yankees talked about some sort of crap with some foreigners-this is not Watergate except in your own fevered mind!!

AS for Obama, the guy has surely disgraced himself as thoroughly as you have! The guy KNEW- by his own admission- FOR FIVE MONTHS- that Russians were fiddling with the upcoming election in some fashio that is STILL not clearly understood! What actually DID they doi? And how much of it? And with all the intelligence gathering, surveillance stuff in US army possession and they cannot hack into the e-mails of some spies? WTF?

In most parts of the world, messing with or even TRYING to mess with an election is an act that is pretty close to declaring war- even we Cdns would be outraged! And its one good reason why Our idiot Boy Trudope is looking bad in the public eye! He has been shameless in trying to rig our elections in his favour!

Our idiot Boy has had to shelve his electoral reform/neo fascist crap. And he seems to have lost interest in discussing his Islamophobia garbage as well- though the committee he struck to `study` the issue and see how much he could get away with is still screwing around out there some place! Likely too afraid to speak to the public and certainly too afraid to crawl back to Our idiot Boy and tell him Cdns will not sit still for this Islamophobia crap!


And hey there T-gurly- here is a refresher of what truth and logic look like! You really ought to learn about it because its what is in LARGE DEMAND on the political stage!

Hey you sordid little T-gurly, did you miss me? Unlike you I do have a life beyond online! But I did have a look at the details you have omitted from your Yannez lynching party argument! Its really quite remarkable how little real truth and justice our LIE-beral dominated legal system and its LIE-beral loving media allies will allow us to see for fear of losing ethnic and immigrant voter support! Those wretched LIE-berals will make us pay any price so THEY can cling to power!

Grossly foolish LIE-berals really ought to think more about the circumstances under which cops `interact` with the public-consider this:

The truth is that NO cop wants to shoot a suspect! What a cop WANTS is to spot a suspect on the street and to handcuff him and take him to the station for interrogation. If the suspect has a good alibi then its apologies all around and suspect is set free and cop goes looking for somebody else. If the suspect has NO alibi and can be properly connected to some crime then he is arrested and charged; with the cop getting a pat on the back from his boss- and maybe a promotion for his sharp eyes and diligent police work!

This is in SHARP contrast to the consequences of SHOOTING a suspect! For one thing a dead man cannot be charged with anything and cannot be questioned either- so with a shooting, there can be no resolution to an existing crime; and it generates a whole NEW mess to deal with. To shoot a suspect simply generates a huge legal mess- even when clearly justified its not a solution any cop wants. AND a cop shooting opens up the doors to all sorts of lunatics- like YOU- from idiot groups like Black Lives matter. To shoot a suspect is a sign of desperation from a cop who has been driven into a corner with no other options- the cop eliminates a lethal threat to save HIS life!

Its odd how LIE-berals will defend somebody killed by a cop regardless of circumstances- but will IGNORE the actions of armed robbers! How much of a BIGOT do you have to be to shrug off the terror of a store clerk staring down the barrel of a robbers gun and focus ONLY on the confrontation between a cop and a suspect? Want to bet the store clerk would tell a cop: “if you have to shoot the felon to keep him from robbing me again that is just fine with me”?

There is the BLM bigot dilemma- the cops ARE serving the public and every store clerk and taxi driver working night shifts considers cops to be their GOOD FRIENDS! Now consider the details of the Officer Yanez shooting AND the details LIE-berals don’t want us to know about :

Based on my research, The Pioneer Press of Minnesota has presented the most full and detailed description of the Yanez case- with a number of pieces being presented to the public on successive days in mid June, with reporter Sarah Horner leading the coverage. You can find all the details for yourself T-gurly- on the Pioneer Press website- if you are interested and we know you ain’t because the truth is an awkward bitch for such as you!

By Sarah Horner | shorner@pioneerpress.com, Tad Vezner | tvezner@pioneerpress.com and Mara H. Gottfried | mgottfried@pioneerpress.com | Pioneer Press. PUBLISHED: June 2017. Sarah Horner joined the Pioneer Press in 2011. She covers legal affairs in St. Paul and the surrounding suburbs.

Here is my synopsis of the available facts and testimony taken mainly from Pioneer Press as their coverage is deemed most open, comprehensive and even handed:

In an earlier post I said that a pair of cops working together is safer for both cops and the public and I also said that Yanez was alone when he shot Castile- based on a HEAVILY EDITED video shown to Cdns. Oh T-gurly- YOU LIED when you said Yanez had a partner!

Joseph Kauser was an officer in another cop cruiser some blocks away when Yanez radioed him and asked for backup. Yanez was convinced- based on appearance- that Castile might have been the armed robber who hit a gas station convenience store a few days previously so he was being cautious even before getting Castile to pull over. Kauser arrived AFTER Yanez began talking with Castile. The video YOU have posted shows Kauser arriving and getting to about ten feet from the passenger side door of the car when the shooting started. Kauser never set eyes on Castile before the shooting started!

Based on trial testimony we can discuss in a moment, its possible Castile never even saw Kauser arrive and a cop you do not see does not scare you much! So my statement that two cops are safer than one stands! IN fact, IF Castile WAS the armed felon that Yanez suspected him to be then TWO COPS might have daunted Castile into surrendering instead of fighting. All desperate felons know its easier to escape from one cop than from two!

But we will never know if Castile was a felon because reverse racist LIE-berals will not besmirch the name of a dead man! Castile cannot defend himself due to being dead and thus he is rendered forever innocent in the minds of LIE-berals! Those wretched LIE-berals are so sensitive that they will not even discuss whether Castile MIGHT have matched the description of the felon Yanez was seeking- even in some small way!

I know we are entitled to the presumption of innocence but that is for judge and jury! A cop DOES NOT work that way and it’s not something many people have noticed! A cop gathers information and makes HIS choice- and when he takes you in it is because he thinks you ARE Guilty! And the law allows the cops certain leeway regarding using FORCE to COMPEL you to come with him! You are expected to be aware of the consequences of not complying. And then the cop presents his beliefs and facts before a judge who makes the final choice. It is when you are in front of a judge and jury that the presumption of innocence DOES kick in as the judge is the impartial referee between prosecution and defense!

After Yanez fatally shot Philando Castile, he said he thought Castile would act recklessly because he smelled marijuana in his car.

Jeronimo Yanez told the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension in an interview the day after the shooting that he initially pulled Castile over as he thought he matched the description of a suspect in a gas-station robbery he had responded to a week prior to the shooting.

Yanez said he smelled the odor of "burnt" marijuana in Castile's car as he walked up to the driver's side window. He didn't tell Castile that he smelled the marijuana at first because he didn't want Castile to "react in a defensive manner."

Yanez told Castile that he had a busted taillight.

Yanez asked Castile for his driver’s license and proof of insurance at his driver’s-side window before Castile told him, “Sir, I have to tell you, I do have a firearm on me.” Castile had a permit to carry the gun but never disclosed that to the officer.

Yanez replied, “OK, don’t reach for it then,” prompting Castile to say, “I’m not reaching for it.”

According to Yanez’s squad car audio and video of the shooting, the officer then twice said, “Don’t pull it out.”

So a total of THREE TIMES, Yanez told Castile Not to reach for the gun yet he continued to move around and soon got shot because of his erratic behaviour.

Yanez’s defense team drew attention at trial to THC found in Castile’s system during his autopsy, suggesting it was proof Castile was high during the shooting and was therefore culpable for what happened.

Yanez said he was worried that Castile may be carrying a weapon for protection from drug dealers or others trying to "rip" or steal from him. "It appeared to me that he had no regard to what I was saying," Yanez said. "He didn’t care what I was saying. He still reached down."

Yanez, among several who took the stand, testified, sometimes through tears, that he had no choice but to shoot Castile after he said he saw Castile gripping his pistol in his front right shorts pocket despite the officer’s orders for him not to reach for the gun.

The state argued Castile was trying to access his wallet to hand over the driver’s license Yanez had requested when the officer “jumped to conclusions” and needlessly shot him. It made no sense-said the state- that Castile — who was wearing a seat belt while traveling home with his girlfriend and her small child from the grocery store — would choose to grab his gun and shoot the officer after being stopped for a broken taillight, prosecutors said.

But I suggest perhaps it DOES make sense to reach for a gun IF your are a desperate and stoned felon planning to flee from a cop?

State law allows police officers to use deadly force when faced with a threat to themselves or someone else. The officer’s conduct must be in line with what another reasonable officer would do under the same circumstances.

Had Castile only listened to Yanez’s commands, two experts hired for the defense testified in court, Castile would still be alive. But when he went for his gun, they said Yanez was forced to shoot.

WE all know that Yankees have the right to bear arms but what about the FOR- GOTTEN portion of the Constitution that lets us know the arms being borne are SUPPOSED to be in the hands of a “well disciplined militia”! Founding fathers never planned for armed stoners wandering the streets!

The state has not explained why Castile was carrying his gun while grocery shopping with his girlfriend Diamond Reynolds and her daughter. If in fact Yanez was right in believing Castile was an armed felon then there IS reason for Castile to be carrying the gun for protection and its also valid reason for Castile to be reaching for the gun in spite of being told to sit still THREE TIMES. The state has not explained why Castile was carrying a gun and is it also possible he was carrying it because he was going to buy more Weed and had the gun as assurance he would be dealt with fairly? Or had it for collecting a debt or some such thing?

Anna Garnaas-Halvorson is a teacher from J.J. Hill Montessori Magnet school and was the first witness called by the state. She worked at the school where Castile served as a supervisor of food services. She testified about Castile’s good character and strong reputation within the school community. That’s nice- he has friends at work but he is not the first man who may have had a second life unknown to his colleagues! So cafeteria food supervisor is Castile`s main job with the possibility that armed robber is a side line? But AGAIN, we will never know for sure! He is beyond questioning or prosecution now!

Yanez said he opened fire because Castile was gripping his gun despite orders not to reach for it. Reynolds disputed that. Castile’s wallet was later discovered by medical staff at Hennepin County Medical Center, where he was treated for his gunshot wounds. Hospital staff weren’t able to tell investigators which pocket his wallet was in. Reynolds testified Castile kept his pocket in his back left pocket. His driver’s license and permit to carry were inside his wallet. But testimony says Castile had already handed Yanez his insurance form before the shooting- and since the wallet was still in his pants pocket when he got to hospital then were was he reaching when he was shot? What pocket was the insurance form he produced stored in? Maybe in the same pocket as the gun?

Various cops and fire dept personnel testified that Castile`s GUN was in the right pocket- that right side from which Yanez says he saw something black emerging in Castile`s right hand. Yanez obviously DID see the gun in Castile`s pants pocket and was right to be concerned when Castile did not follow instructions!

During her cross-examination, Reynolds testified that she and Castile regularly smoked marijuana and that she had smoked it on the day of the shooting. She also said they had marijuana in the car when they got pulled over, but that it was under her seat. Authorities found it inside a closed plastic bag tucked inside a jar on top of her seat. The jar’s lid was off.

Cops found 6 grams of Weed in the car. AS Castile HAD THC in his system at the time of death and as Reynolds has admitted they smoked up often and that she had smoked up earlier that day it seems pretty fair to say Castile was STONED at the time of the shooting! The ONLY questions are HOW MUCH Castile smoked and WHEN! How stoned was he?

Juan Toran was the Roseville police officer who responded to the shooting that night. He was the third cop to get to the scene and arrived when Yanez still had his gun pointed inside Castile’s car.

It was when they turned Castile’s body to place him on a backboard that he (Toran) says he saw Castile’s black semi-automatic handgun sliding out of his right front pocket. Toran said he removed it the rest of the way and placed it on the pavement in a safe location. He guarded the firearm until the scene was taped off.

James Diehl is an instructor at Total Defense gun range in Ramsey, Minn., where Castile took his permit-to-carry class before acquiring his gun permit. He testified that it’s illegal to use marijuana and carry a firearm and also for an applicant to lie on a federal permit-to-carry application about use of illegal substances. The defense alleged at trial that Castile lied about his marijuana use when he applied for his permit and therefore he acquired it illegally. Telling a little fib about Weed use is hardly unique in our modern culture. The real point is that Castile WAS STONED at the time of his death and how much it impaired his judgement?

Diehl also testified that he instructs his students to first tell officers during traffic stops that they have a permit to carry before disclosing that they have the firearm. Relaying information in reverse order could “affect (an officer’s) mind-set,” Diehl testified during cross examination,

In other testimony, James Diehl said he teaches students that, when they’re pulled over by police, first to tell officers they have a permit to carry. Then they should say they have a firearm on them, Diehl said. He said he also tells them to follow all police commands while keeping their hands visible.

“Why is that?” Gray asked.

“Mentioning you have a firearm before you say you have a permit could affect the officer’s (mind-set),” Diehl said.

“And lead to chaos?” Gray asked.

“Correct,” Diehl replied.

So the expert with experience HAS tried to warn Castile about the sort of trouble he can get into while wandering in public with a gun! And Castile was sober enough to remember SOME of his training-he did tell Yanez he had a gun but did Not sit quietly and keep his hands in plain sight. Instead Castile IGNORED three commands NOT to reach for the gun and got shot for it. Diehl also explained that under Minnesota law, a citizen does not have to tell a cop he is carrying a gun- but its not a stretch to think that Castile told Yanez about the gun because Yanez could see the outline of it in his pants pocket and figured it would be best to admit the truth? Or should we just assume Castile was stoned and not to sure what he was saying and ran into foolish trouble?

Emanuel Kapelsohn was one of a number of experts hired by both sides to testify about use of force training and related matters. Kapelsohn said it would have taken Castile three-tenths of a second to remove his gun from his pocket, versus five-tenths of a second for Yanez to react to that threat. That means that if Yanez is telling the truth about what he saw, the officer could have been shot and killed had he not responded immediately to Castile’s grip on his gun, Kapelsohn said.

This statement by Kapelsohn was dissected and disputed with no hard conclusion being reached. What we CAN be sure of is that in the sort of quick draw contest described in court- with Castile drawing his gun and Yanez responding ONLY AFTER he clearly saw Castile`s gun, it would be a VERY CLOSE contest- with NO guarantee that Yanez would come out alive. The odds presented by the experts seem to show that in that quick draw contest, the odds were more in favour of Castile and that Yanez saved his own life by shooting first rather than simply responding to movement by Castile. And THAT reaction by Yanez IS part of police training!

Other key points were made by Kapelsohn Friday morning related to the level of danger Yanez placed Castile’s girlfriend and young child in when he opened fire into Castile’s vehicle.

Had Yanez not shot, Kapelsohn said, a gunfight could have erupted between Castile, Yanez and possibly Yanez’s police partner- Kauser- who was coming up on the other side of Castile’s vehicle that night.

Instead of retreating to a safer position for himself, he added that Yanez remained at Castile’s window so he could point down and to the left to avoid injury to the other passengers in the car. “Yanez endangered himself to try and make it less dangerous for the two other people involved,” Kapelsohn said.

Another `use of force` expert suggested that Yanez should have de-escalated and disengaged from the scene by stepping away but that seems like nonsense. He was totally exposed in the street with no immediate place to hide and no guarantee that Castile would not shoot at him as he backed away.

Further, as Castile was stoned to some degree- we can only say he was not in a condition to be driving and that if Yanez had let him flee the scene it might have resulted in a car crash and more trouble! Then there is the added issue of asking this: if Yanez decided not confront Castile at that time about the armed felon suspicions because of the presence of the woman and child; then WHEN WOULD be a good time for a confrontation? Would cop haters have been any happier of cops had shown up at the school cafeteria where Castile worked-surrounded by kids- so they could arrest him there? That is the ugly side of police work- our cities are BUSY places and there are always innocent victims in the way!

Yanez was simply doing his job in seeking out a person he believed might be an armed felon. That Castile appeared to be too stoned to deal with the matter in a sensible way is NOT the fault of cops and does NOT indicate bigotry! The various `experts` agreed at trial, that if Castile had followed police instructions and his firearm training and kept his hands on the steering wheel he would be alive today. If he had been sensible, he would have left the gun at home. If he had been MORE sensible, he would not have driven the car in his stoned condition.

And if Castile lived in a country where the full and complete truth was told in open court and NOT then subject to cutting and editing by LIE-beral loving sensation seeking news media; and if we did NOT have a LIE-beral govt so desperate to cling to power that they would rather pluck out their own eyes than say anything bad about a doped up ethnic stoner, then we might not be literally throwing gasoline on the bonfire ignited by Black Lives Matter reverse bigots!

And what of the govt choice to pay the Castile family three million dollars for their pain and suffering? Since when did the govt start writing life insurance policies for armed and stupid stoners?

And it was also decided by govt that Yanez should be offered a deal to encourage HIM to leave the police force and this does seem necessary since he would forever after be a lightning rod for trouble- whether deserved or otherwise. So he was paid to take his family and leave town and you have to figure HIS payment was also in the millions in exchange for being BRIBED to slink away and not make a fuss simply because he defended himself from an armed and foolish stoner? AFTER being declared NOT GUILTY!

And is it not interesting that of the 12 jury members, 2 were black and from the start of jury deliberations they are reported to have supported Yanez! Some black people do see very clearly how the law should work! Some black people do work as store clerks and understand the issues and RISKS quite well!

Last year, the Toronto (Red) Star newspaper told us that a typical Cdn lawyer defending a client accused of murder gets paid about half a million dollars- with at least that much more going to the prosecution. Then add in all the other costs for bailiffs and court reporters and added security for such a sensational trial and lost work from the hundreds of candidates ordered to appear for possible jury selection and you have how many more hundreds of thousands in costs? So a million dollars or maybe two million for the trial and lawyers and assorted experts, plus at least five million and maybe 6 -7 million to deal with the pain and suffering of the Castile and Yanez families and you have a bill of between 6 and 10 million dollars and all because some stoner could not go out for groceries without his gun and ran into some cop who was just doing his job in hunting an armed felon!

And hey- T-gurly- we all KNOW how loud you would scream if some armed thug stole your computer! And we know how quickly you would be on the phone to the cops you hate- to urge them find and punish those who threatened you and cut off your propaganda disseminating lifeline! And if they could not find it you are just the kind of guy to assume they are racists and don’t care about your stolen property! And if they DO find it, then you will go right back to throwing mud at them! Such behaviour is called HYPOCRISY!

The Yanez shooting is the natural result of letting stoners wander around in public with guns! Guns and drugs do NOT mix! U.S. gun law forbids a stoner from carrying a gun because they are not in their right and careful minds while stoned. U.S. law recognizes that carrying a gun can cause “chaos” in a traffic stop as Diehl the firearms trainer told the court and he stressed the care with which a person carrying a gun should deal with cops. Stoner Castile did virtually NOTHING right in his meeting with Yanez and got shot for being A STUPID STONED THREAT!
 
Murphy
#3517
Funny, I always thought of you as an immigrant Brit who was living in the US. Kind of an 'all over the place' poster.

Do you live in BC?
 
spilledthebeer
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#3518
Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Funny, I always thought of you as an immigrant Brit who was living in the US. Kind of an 'all over the place' poster.

Do you live in BC?

Gosh Murphy, what an ODD thing to guess at? No I am not an immigrant....and with a native connection on Moms side of the family I am not entirely an `immigrant` at all!

I am just a guy who is totally disgusted by the nonsense going on around me! LIE-beral have been screwing with us for decades- just endless manipulation and gross lies they are hoping we are to busy to recall at election time! Consider LIE-beral handling of native issues. You don't need any particular skin pigmentation to be outraged- you only need to pay taxes!

The Aug. 8, 2016 issue of McLean`s Magazine contains a `special report on race and power` that, if accepted by Cdns, will-so I believe- encourage bigotry in Canada. McLean`s trumpets the news that native people RARELY get elected to positions of authority outside the reserves and McLean`s thinks it’s a legacy of bigotry! Apparently McLean`s supports reverse discrimination-how else to explain their simple minded statistical analysis of racial numbers in Saskatchewan?

I ask-how is it that Cdns are overlooking and rejecting prospective native politicians? Especially when they all too often lack even a high school diploma-the BASIC educational building block in Canada. Only 25 percent of natives living on reserves graduate from high school. An even smaller number go on to higher education so surely McLean`s might want to be honest and recognize that a MAJOR lack of qualification might be behind some of this alleged racist behaviour?

Traditionally politicians work themselves up from local municipal positions and from school boards and such other small beginnings-gaining eloquence, insight and the wisdom of experience on the way. There are substantial obstacles to natives from reserves making such headway due to the assorted scandals that plague the great majority of reserves-not just in Saskatchewan but right across the country.

It is true that only one third of natives live on reserves-with the remainder living in regular cities like the rest of us so one may ask why these natives do not seek political office? Perhaps it is again due to lack of education? Or perhaps it is a legacy of watching the endemic corruption on reserves that has persuaded natives living off reserves that politics is a dirty game they don’t want to play? Or perhaps white voters have seen and heard so much about the corruption and chaos on reserves that they justly fear to vote for any native candidate? Such things are not related to simple minded bigotry but are grounded in fact and logic.

Who in the wider world beyond Kashetchewan Reserve would vote for any of that band council? Federal govt built the band a drinking water plant and sewage treatment plant and then sent native volunteers off to a crash course in how to manage the plants. Due to native educational short-comings and the accelerated/limited training courses given to quickly get ill prepared and semi literate natives up to speed, govt recognized that outside help would often be needed and a bank account was set up so that the band could dip into the funds to hire white experts as needed to come in and show natives how to repair more complex machinery and keep the plants running.

Imagine the surprise when BOTH plants-sewage and drinking water-broke down and left the band with raw piss coming out their taps! Further-the band was BROKE-NO MONEY left in the repair bill bank accounts. Govt was bewildered and auditors were sent in to track the cash-while band council MOCKED govt for mishandling their water systems and being CHEAP with funds!

Auditors reported back that the repair money had been spent instead on air fares to send a hockey team to California for a tournament! A LARGE number of adult chaperones also went along. Add in bills for hotel rooms, nice meals, alcohol and some mad money for playing at the local casino and voila-the bank account is empty! Though why natives would blame govt for this is not clear to anybody but natives?

Housing in Kashetchewan is also a thorny issue. `Kash`-as the reserve is known-stands on the Hudson`s Bay Lowlands-a vast set of river deltas created by millions of creeks and streams-it`s 1.5 million square km with an average elevation of SIX FEET above sea level. To suggest that there is risk of flooding during the spring thaw is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT!

The drinking water plant and sewage plant were built by white men and they STARTED the job by piling up tons of sand and gravel to produce an elevated pad with the plant built on top-out of the reach of flood waters. The natives were hired to build the less technically demanding prefab band homes and they are virtually ALL flood damaged to varying degrees because native home builders apparently did NOT pile up sand and gravel pads for the houses to sit upon out of reach of flood waters. But natives happily BLAME federal govt for their housing troubles!

Natives in eastern Canada also have housing troubles that they blame on Ottawa. But those natives don’t want to discuss the Carribean cruises they took-using housing money! They don’t want to discuss the salaries of native band leaders-one of whom leads a band of less than 500 people and collects a salary of over half a million dollars per year!

Natives in `Kash` don’t want to discuss the epidemic of skin disease that is plaguing area kids and got so bad this spring that a team of govt doctors was flown in to assess and treat a pack of kids-with several of the worst cases being airlifted out to Thunder Bay for hospital treatment. Nor does anybody want to admit that the skin ailments are apparently triggered by lack of contact with soap and water and by a lack of clean clothing-even though the `Kash` water plants were returned to fully functioning status a couple of years back.

Natives in any number of reserves are complaining of epidemic rates of suicide and of drug abuse.

Native politicians from the reserves are clearly hamstrung by these terrible and deplorable situations-how can any educated person from the larger world-meaning white community- consider bypassing conventionally skilled and educated politicians and instead choose some aspiring native politician with a sketchy education and tied to a long history of corruption and malfeasance?

Further-it now costs the average federal member of our parliament roughly one hundred thousand dollars to mount an effective campaign for public office-so where would un-employed natives get this kind of money? Selling illegal smokes is profitable but is it that profitable that a native with political aspirations would risk such money from his own pocket just to get on a public stage?

So here is a fun question being ignored by Mc`Leans writers: “is it bigotry or is it common sense that is keeping natives out of political offices”?

Another good question is this: “is the LIE-beral party of Canada hurting or helping Cdns”? I say LIE-berals are killing natives with misplaced kindness. LIE-berals have rescinded virtually all the Conservative mandated legislation that would have compelled native bands into something more closely resembling responsible govt!

By compelling bands to post ALL band expenses online-including salaries and pensions, the interested (Conservative) observer could see at a glance how well and how carefully the band was managing its tax money. And since virtually ALL that money is supplied by ordinary Cdns-they would have some reassurance that there would be no more Carribean cruises and no more visits to casinos by native leaders at tax payer expense! Housing money would be spent on JUST THAT!

How sad that LIE-berals do NOT APPROVE of these measure which would have made life easier on reserves by minimizing troubles and enuring that best use was made of tax money! LIE-berals are applying a form of bigotry of their own. They seem to have written off natives and consigned them to a hellish life of shortages and limitations-while preaching of their LIE-beral style care and concern!

LIE-berals consider it beneath them to try to ensure tax money is spent wisely on reserves and they certainly have no known plans to INCREASE the amount of tax money flowing to reserves. In fact there are indications that the way the new LIE-beral child care benefit is set up- natives can actually expect LESS money in future!

People who don’t file a T-4 income tax form-and that includes most natives since natives living on reserves do NOT PAY income tax-won’t be getting the new child benefit! Either natives will do without or LIE-berals will eventually have to come up with some alternate program just for reserves! After all, natives making a living selling illegal smokes or guns etc will NOT want to give govt written records regarding their alleged income in case Revenue Canada agents come sniffing around looking for sales tax payoffs!)

And after all this, does McLean`s STILL want to suggest that it is white racists that are blocking native from positions of power?
 
Murphy
#3519
Whatever. Your message would not be as messed up if you presented it with less venom and more organization.

You;re so like cannuck.
 
JLM
#3520
Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Whatever. Your message would not be as messed up if you presented it with less venom and more organization.

You;re so like cannuck.


God forbid there's two like that!
 
Murphy
#3521
Yeah. True dat.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#3522
Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Yeah. True dat.

I'm thinking he don't get out much.
 
DaSleeper
#3523
Maybe .....just maybe....

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spilledthebeer
#3524
Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

Whatever. Your message would not be as messed up if you presented it with less venom and more organization.

You;re so like cannuck.

Oh Murphy you really are entirely clueless! But in the eyes of LIE-berals that is what makes you a useful teacher! God and LIE-berals forbid that our kids learn anything useful from the likes of you!

And why don't you study this bit of venom:

The LIE-beral party has just sneered a truly monstrous FUDDLE DUDDLE at us ordinary Cdns and Our idiot Boy Justin has spiced it with a SALMON ARM SALUTE!

The govt has just announced that notorious Muslim terror poster boy Omar Khadr will receive ten million dollars from the Cdn govt- meaning us disgustee tax payers for his suffering at `Gitmo` prison!

The odious Khadr family has this background: Some time In the 1980`s. our LIE-beral prime minister Jean Chretien decided to insult us by inviting the Khadr family here as immigrants! The Egyptian born Khadr father was ALREADY languishing in am Italian jail for his terror bombing campaign and one has to ask why Chretien would insult and abuse us so by inviting such a character HERE?

The Italians were only too happy to have such a thug off their hands and fired him across to us in record time. After settling in Canada, Popa Khadr raised his sons to be fine little terrorists! Subsequently, one son and Papa both died in Afghanistan fighting the US army, a second son was badly crippled for life- so badly that our LIE-beral hug a thug courts say we cannot deport the swine because he cannot get the medical attention he needs to survive in a place like Afghanistan so the families of the Cdn soldiers he despises and fought against at various times now get to pay for his costly care! In addition, second son Omar was badly wounded and ended up at Gitmo prison at the US base in Cuba.

A Cdn court has examined the available evidence and has decreed that Omar was not nicely treated at Gitmo- his suffering included periods of isolation in solitary confinement and sleep deprivation and so our LIE-beral hug a thug judges have made an exceptional job of thumbing their noses at Cdns by awarding Omar ten million dollars for the inconvenience that his own stupidity and his foolish father dragged him into! This is the most remarkable fuddle duddle ever dumped on the Cdn people by an elected govt! Our idiot Boy and his moronic minions have now made it more profitable to fight against Canada, rather than for it!

And Our idiot Boy was just asked on the news, what he thought of the court decision and he wiped his filthy hands clean of the issue and threw it back as a fair judicial choice- and this is the most insulting Salmon Arm Salute ever handed to the Cdn people!

If there was ever any doubt that Our idiot Boy Justin is to stupid to lead us, we have just gotten all the conclusive proof we ever needed!

There can be no honest or logical justification for giving the Khadr family anything except the back of our hand! These vile creatures have spoken publicly of their hatred of Canada even as our over loaded medical system keeps the youngest Khadr boy alive! Make no mistake about it- without western medical aid the badly crippled swine would die of the injuries he received when he volunteered to follow his terrorist father to Afghanistan to fight western troops!

So we now have Mother Khadr, a crippled son, a couple of sisters and Omar all living on the charity of LIE-berals! And our vile LIE- beral govt expects us to swallow this mess without gagging? WTF?

One has to wonder at the scale and scope of Trudope/LIE-beral insult in this matter? Has Our idiot Boy read the tea leaves and determined that by the next federal election in 2019, that he will be so hated by Cdns that his political career will be over? So maybe he has decided to mess with us as thoroughly and rudely and expensively as possible for as long as possible before he is shoved off the national stage?

On the plus side- if you want to call it that, Omar Khadr is now independently wealthy and can no longer claim welfare? Nor does he need `affordable housing`? That seems to be the ONLY virtue any LIE-beral can offer us over this garbage!
 
spaminator
#3525
Iraqi male model stabbed to death due to good looks | World | News | Toronto Sun
 
spaminator
#3526
Ex-prisoners say Tunisia homeland worse than Gitmo | World | News | Toronto Sun

Blitz car bomb attack in Egypt kills 23 | World | News | Toronto Sun
 
Cliffy
+1
#3527


 
petros
#3528
You're next Waffle. They have your number.
 
spilledthebeer
#3529
Quote: Originally Posted by spaminator View Post

Ex-prisoners say Tunisia homeland worse than Gitmo | World | News | Toronto Sun

Blitz car bomb attack in Egypt kills 23 | World | News | Toronto Sun

Islam in a man is worse than Rabies in a dog! Thank you Winston Churchill for putting it so clearly!

Here is a riddle: What is the difference between a radical Muslim and a moderate Muslim? The moderate Muslim rides the train to work in the morning and dreams of the day when enough of his relatives and friends have immigrated to Canada to ensure they have the votes needed to compel the government to adopt Sharia Law and force us to convert. The radical Muslim stands beside the railway line and dreams of derailing the train and killing all the infidels aboard the train so the only people left in Canada will be followers of Sharia Law.
 
spaminator
#3530
Al-Qaida-linked al-Shabab beheads 9 people in Kenya | World | News | Toronto Sun
 
spaminator
#3531
U.S. woman gets probation for tossing baby to her death | World | News | Toronto

Michigan passes new female genital mutilation law as criminal case involving 6 y
 
spilledthebeer
#3532
Quote: Originally Posted by spaminator View Post

U.S. woman gets probation for tossing baby to her death | World | News | Toronto

Michigan passes new female genital mutilation law as criminal case involving 6 y

Food for thought.......

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the
tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an 4:91- If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them
wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.

. Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all
evildoers and should not be trusted.

Qur’an 9:12-14-Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will
give you victory.

. Qur’an 9:5 Kill the nonbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they
attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

Qur’an (5:51) - ”O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the
Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever
amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them;
surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has
revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them
into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.

Qur’an (4:48, 4:116)-Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like
Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven.
They have “invented a tremendous sin.”

Qur’an (4:51)-Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities,
yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims.

Qur’an (5:51) Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do,
then Allah will consider you to be one of them.

Qur’an (5:80) – “You will see many of them befriending those who
disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before
for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement
shall they abide.” Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide
in hell.

Qur’an (3:85) - ”And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it
shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one
of the losers.”

. Qur’an 9:6-Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated
well. (Those who don’t submit will be killed. See previous verse.)

Qur’an 5:53 Jews and Christians are losers.

Qur’an 5:59 Jews and Christians are evil-livers.

Qur’an 5:63 Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests.

Qur’an 5:72 Christians will be burned in the Fire.

Qur’an 5:73Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will
have a painful doom.

Qur’an 9:30Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them.

Qur’an 9:34 Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich
and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.

Qur’an 19:35-37“Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day.”
Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are
going to hell.

Qur’an 28:62-64 Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom,
saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined?

Qur’an 40:73Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are
all my partners that you used to believe in?

Qur’an 3:67 ”Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a
true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not
gods with Allah.

And isnt it odd that Cdn news media are so supportive of Our idiot Boy Justin and his enthusiasm for Muslim immigrants and yet they could not resist interviewing some newly liberated inhabitants of Mosul- and got told that music was a CRIME under Isis and the punishment for listening was to have sharpened sticks shoved in your ears to burst your ear drums so you will not `sin` again! And apparently p;laying pool and smoking tobacco and and dancing were sins as well....sounds like a FUN life!

So who is now ready to join the Cdn Caliphate?
 
spaminator
#3533
Oliver Stone to direct pilot for Gitmo TV series | TV | Entertainment | Toronto
 
spaminator
#3534
CSIS faces $35 million harassment, discrimination lawsuit | Canada | News | Toro

Muslim terrorists open fire and kill 2 Israeli police officers at Temple Mount i
 
spaminator
#3535
Small protest raises big concern about 'inhuman acts' in India | Home | Toronto

Quebec City Muslim cemetery rejected 19-16 in nearby town referendum | Canada |
 
spaminator
#3536
Arrest warrant issued for imam accused of calling for 'worst of mankind' Jews to

Imam charged with hate promotion against Jews | LEVY | Canada | News | Toronto S
 
Buffy
#3537
Islam, the religion of pieces.
 
spaminator
#3538
Saudi woman in miniskirt video arrested after public outcry
Aya Batraw, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 12:31 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 05:36 PM EDT
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — A Saudi woman has been arrested for defying the kingdom’s strict dress code by walking around in a miniskirt and crop top in a video that sparked public outrage.
The woman, whose name was not given, was detained by police in the capital, Riyadh, for wearing “immodest clothes” that contradicted the country’s conservative Islamic dress code, state media reported Tuesday. Police referred her case to the public prosecutor, according to the official Twitter account of state-run TV channel al-Ekhbariya.
In the video, which has gone viral since first emerging on Snapchat over the weekend, the woman is filmed walking around a historic fort in a miniskirt with no one else around. The short video, shot in a village in the desert region of Najd, where many of Saudi Arabia’s most conservative tribes and families are from, is followed by other shots of her sitting in the desert.
The video sparked a Twitter hashtag that called for her arrest, with many saying she flagrantly disobeyed Saudi rules, which require all women living in the kingdom, including foreigners, to wear long, loose robes known as abayas in public. Most Saudi women also wear a headscarf and veil that covers the face.
Social media is wildly popular in Saudi Arabia as a space to vent frustrations and gauge public opinion. The outcry against the video and the woman’s subsequent arrest reveal how powerful and widespread conservative views are in the kingdom, despite recent moves by Saudi Arabia to modernize and loosen some rules.
The country’s 31-year-old heir to the throne, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, has pushed for greater openings for entertainment in part to appease the youth, who are active on social media and can bypass government censors online. More than half of Saudi Arabia’s population is under 25.
The government announced last week that girls would be allowed for the first time to play sports in public school and have access to physical education classes. The powers of the kingdom’s religious police have also been curtailed, and they are officially no longer allowed to arrest people.
Despite these moves, strict gender segregation rules and other restrictions on women remain in place. Women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia and cannot obtain a passport or travel abroad without a male relative’s permission.
After the woman’s video surfaced, some Saudis expressed alarm, saying that Twitter was being used as a tool to out other citizens.
Saudi writer Waheed al-Ghamdi wrote on Twitter that while the woman violated Saudi laws, her actions did not warrant such an outcry because they did not harm others.
“I am simply questioning the lack of priorities regarding anger and alarm expressed over human rights violations and oppression versus the harmless personal choices of others,” he wrote.
Some of those defending her posted images from President Donald Trump’s visit to Saudi Arabia in May, in which First Lady Melania Trump and his daughter Ivanka, though modestly dressed in higher necklines and longer sleeves, did not cover their heads or wear abayas.
One Twitter user, whose post was shared more than 1,700 times, superimposed an image of Ivanka’s face on the young Saudi woman’s body, writing: “Enough already, the situation has been solved.”
The woman’s image was blurred on Saudi news websites reporting on the case. It is common in Saudi Arabia to see heavily blurred or pixelated images of women’s faces on billboards and storefronts — in stark contrast to the many towering images of senior male royals displayed across the country.
A Saudi woman was arrested for posting this video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDzPQbIDhto
Saudi woman in miniskirt video arrested after public outcry | WATCH VIDEO | Worl
 
spaminator
#3539
Saudi woman arrested over viral miniskirt video released without charges
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:19 AM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:32 AM EDT
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Saudi Arabia says a woman detained after wearing a miniskirt in a video that went viral has been released without charge.
Police in Saudi Arabia had arrested the young woman for wearing “immodest clothes” after an outcry from people who say she flagrantly violated the kingdom’s conservative Islamic dress code.
The young Saudi woman drew attention over the weekend when the video was shared online of her walking in a historic village north of the capital wearing a miniskirt and crop top, and showing her hair.
A statement released by the Center for International Communication said Wednesday that police released the woman, who was not named. It says she was released Tuesday evening after a few hours of questioning. The statement said the video was published without her knowledge.
A Saudi woman was arrested for posting this video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLRUeik5hC8
Saudi woman arrested over viral miniskirt video released without charges | World
 
Johnnny
#3540
Quote: Originally Posted by spaminator View Post

Saudi woman arrested over viral miniskirt video released without charges
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:19 AM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:32 AM EDT
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Saudi Arabia says a woman detained after wearing a miniskirt in a video that went viral has been released without charge.
Police in Saudi Arabia had arrested the young woman for wearing “immodest clothes” after an outcry from people who say she flagrantly violated the kingdom’s conservative Islamic dress code.
The young Saudi woman drew attention over the weekend when the video was shared online of her walking in a historic village north of the capital wearing a miniskirt and crop top, and showing her hair.
A statement released by the Center for International Communication said Wednesday that police released the woman, who was not named. It says she was released Tuesday evening after a few hours of questioning. The statement said the video was published without her knowledge.
A Saudi woman was arrested for posting this video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLRUeik5hC8
Saudi woman arrested over viral miniskirt video released without charges | World

The only thing immodest about this is that no one thought to offer this lady some ice cream. Guys in Saudi Arabia need to give their heads a shake.
 

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