Iraqi Musicians play on


Just the Facts
Free Thinker
#1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8172598/

Baghdad symphony strikes a hopeful note
73 musicians play on despite death threats


Death threats? Who would threaten to kill a symphony orchestra? The Americans? Those perveyors of wanton death and destruction! I don't think so. Must be the "Noble Freedom Fighters" endeavoring to free Iraq from the oppression of a Symphony.
 
moghrabi
#2
Actually I don't count the Americans out of this threat. It is very important for them to keep Iraq on edge.
 
jimmoyer
#3
In Melville's Moby Dick, Captain Ahab, in his relentless pursuit of the Great White Whale, nailed a gold doubloon on the mast.

This doubloon is for any man who spots the white whale first.

Each man comes and looks at the doubloon and what it represents for them.

It's the same doubloon, but all who see it, see something else, mostly something that is in themselves, their own needs, hopes, wishes, biases.

And so it is when moghrabi posts a doubloon for all to see for he is relentless to kill the great white whale, and that doubloon is for you and me and what we see in it.
 
moghrabi
#4
I am relentless to show the thick heads the truth and have them think a little. If you are not of the ones i mentioned, do not read my posts.
 
jimmoyer
#5
Have you ever known one truth to blind to you everything else, moghrabi ?

Captain Ahab did.
 
moghrabi
#6
Ask your leader about truth. Don't question me about truth if you follow a lying, deceiving Prez.

Truth will come out at the end. I am very confident that I will be smiling when it comes out.
 
jimmoyer
#7
Like I said you have one truth, so blinding, so intolerant that your one truth, you hold on to, does not permit anything else in your universe.

The fact that Bush lied is an overwhelming truth and your crusade is just, but this great white whale of yours unfortunately makes you least suited to see or hear anything else, as it might distract you from your WHALE.

It is possible to notice other truths during your hunt.
 
moghrabi
#8
I am very happy with my version of the truth. As long as you belive my crusade against your prez is just, I am happy.
 
I think not
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by moghrabi

I am very happy with my version of the truth. As long as you belive my crusade against your prez is just, I am happy.

It is just. But their is only one truth, the rest are opinions.
 
jimmoyer
#10
Bush policy influenced the fact-finders.

In every job you or I ever had, we all instinctively knew what the Boss wanted without the Boss telling us all of the time.

I think the CIA, FBI and any other intelligence gathering aparatus knew what the BOSS wanted.

It is why Bolton should get skewered. I happen to agree with Bolton's description of the UN but his activity in threatening the fact-finders is related to the whole idea of how the BOSS or POLICY tells INTELLIGENCE-GATHERING what to say.

And then I got an issue with you moghrabi, how your bias, contorts every story, every other truth to conform to your one crusade.

It is just as single-minded as those you daily condemn.
 
moghrabi
#11
Then we are all entitled to our opinions, or are we not?

The truth will come out sooner or later.
 
moghrabi
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by jimmoyer

Bush policy influenced the fact-finders.

In every job you or I ever had, we all instinctively knew what the Boss wanted without the Boss telling us all of the time.

I think the CIA, FBI and any other intelligence gathering aparatus knew what the BOSS wanted.

It is why Bolton should get skewered. I happen to agree with Bolton's description of the UN but his activity in threatening the fact-finders is related to the whole idea of how the BOSS or POLICY tells INTELLIGENCE-GATHERING what to say.

And then I got an issue with you moghrabi, how your bias, contorts every story, every other truth to conform to your one crusade.

It is just as single-minded as those you daily condemn.

As a matter of fact I am open to all suggestions if you can rebut my bias. Show me something. You are only obsessed with my beliefs as it does not go with yours.
 
jimmoyer
#13
I do not wish to rebut your crusade on the Bush lie.
Because essentially you are right.

Got that?

I'm just not going to stay on the Pequod with you.

Because there are other matters reqarding the White Whale that are true too and do not contradict your obsession, although a righteous one, it still does mangle your ability to see anything else but the Great White.
 
moghrabi
#14
Good. So now I am obsessed with my version of the truth and you are not. Why is my truth an obsession and yours is not.
 
jimmoyer
#15
Good question !!

Psychologically inciteful and insightful.

Let it be a beginning point to explore.

Your truth is an obsession. To say someone on the American side, even with all the skullduggery, actually wants the Iraqi musicians to be threatened is a rush to judgement with no proof but your well worn suit of distrust.

When you keep it to the particular truth that Bush policy influenced the fact-gatherers then you have me on board.

But I gotta jump ship when your truth obsessively blots out the sun that makes visible many other matters.
 
moghrabi
#16
Your government was involved in many more serious crimes than just threaten an orchestra. There is where to begin taking about how they use threat to get their way. We are threatened as Canadians for not supporting the war.

Your Police government will go to any length to establish its hold on anything. Threating an orchestra from playing is small in comparison.
 
jimmoyer
#17
You don't ever admit over-reach, do you moghrabi?

How is that different from any other zealot?

How is that different from Captain Ahab, everything in his ship, the ocean, the sky, just props for the hunt ?
 
moghrabi
#18
I only admit the truth. I'll leave the lies to someone else. Thank you.

Stop this Captain Ahab thing. Talk straight to me.
 
jimmoyer
#19
Don't you see my point at all?

I think I have previously stated that I've seen yours?
 
moghrabi
#20
I see your point.

I have major problems with USG involvement in the world. It is not as black and white. It is not between you and me.

I once was a victim to the atrocities that your USG and their dogs (Zionists) did in my home country. I have seen what they are capable of doing. I feel for the people of Iraq and what they must be going through.

The USG will (I repeat will) do whatever it takes to establish its mindset on others, to control them, to abuse them, rob them and so on so every American can have their SUV, BMW, and 2 other cars. I hate the attitude that any other person on this planet can be a collateral damage as long as they are not Americans. I hate to see the USG supporting dictators when they are doing their jobs for them and then turn against them. I hate to see why you have 2 standards in the ME. You say human rights in Iraq, yet you support a more repressive regimes such as Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf states.

I can go on and on and on. But i am tired of it all. It is a sick world we live in where the strong bullies the weak even in our school system. We are conditioned in the west that the stronger you are the bullier you can be.
 
jimmoyer
#21
I see the pain on both sides.

I see the truly righteous contine the wrong-doing.

I see how one who commits the sin is judged and the reaction becomes not a just one, but an over-reaction, causing a never-ending pendulum swing, a never ending cycle of over-reactions causing all those in this battle, in this debate to be too sure of themselves, too sure they have the one and only truth.

And such is my case for embracing some of the ambiguity and natural contradictions in life, that leads the sure ones to call me ambiguous, OR better yet it is some devious device to deter someone from their focus, from THEIR topic, as if all topics, issues, or crusades are an island unto themselves, not touched by the waves from another shore.

Conditioned ?

You bet the crusaders are.

The zealots are.

And they live everywhere.