Purpose Of Life

china
#1
If you want to discover whether what I say is true, you must judge impersonally, that is, put aside your personal likes and dislikes, your personal
beliefs, you are trying to seek the understanding of the significance of the
whole of life, not merely of your particular individual life. Every one tries to seek
truth — that is, the rich, full, harmonious life — according to his particular beliefs, dogmas and religions. The Hindu will seek truth — that fullness of life — through Hinduism, the Christian through Christianity, Pagan through Paganism, and so on, taking for granted certain experiences of others and thereby forming a sect through which eachthinks he will discover the truth. If you want to discover truth, you must put
aside Hinduism, Buddhism, all religions and seek for yourself wholly, entirely because, you cannot approach Truth from any point of view, by any path whatever. Please do not agree or disagree,but examine this statement sanely, rationally. If you think it is wrong, leave it alone and go your own sweet way. Why do you imitate someone else?Why do you follow authority? In spiritual matters there cannot be authority; in thought and belief there cannot be authority; it is experience alone that is of importance. Experience is the only master. Why is it then that one makes oneself into a type, into a machine? It is because fear plays the dominant part in ones lives. One is afraid of ones own thoughts, one is uncertain; and hence one seeks for leaders in spiritual matters. The moment there is desire for comfort, fear is born. Struggle breeds either fear or understanding. The moment one is afraid to struggle, one seeks shelters, one looks to authority in matters spiritual, one wants to be told what is right, what is wrong, what is failure, what is success. But the moment there is the desire to understand this immense struggle that is going on,you do not bind yourself with fear and you try to understand every experience that comes to you.Conformity is not culture. You cannot educate yourself through conformity.You must make proper environments, so that the individual is all the time struggling, choosing, assimilating and rejecting, and thus growing. Individuality is not an end in itself, because individuality is division, and individuality is trying all the time by continual contact with life, to wear down the barrier that separates it from others. In other words, individuality is made up of our
unconquered reactions. Reactions create barriers and divisions. But the moment you have conquered your reactions, there are no barriers and no divisions. Therefore, it is the ego, the individuality which has not transmuted its reaction, that creates barriers. But the true self resides in the region of pure action, so to attain to that self, to find out pure action, you must go through the process of reaction, of likes and dislikes, joys and pleasures, sorrows and great ecstasies, and gradually eliminate all reactions, till you arrive at your own dwelling-place, from which you act, but where there are no reactions. This is the purpose of life .Hows your meditation?
Last edited by china; Jun 27th, 2007 at 04:47 AM..
 
s_lone
#2
This is what I understand from your post China...

Don't be afraid to raise your self-consciousness...
Don't be afraid to question spiritual authority...
Don't be afraid to be in control of yourself...

Use your free will or the world will use it for you.
 
Dreadful Nonsense
#3
china please do not take me wrong here.
I'm new to reading your posts.Is this you? Is this your mind? I hope it is for i have found someone to really relate to. ((Hope that isn't too scary for you from D'Avril)) *wink*


This post is awesome. It evokes so many things that i have struggled with for years. I think you have nailed the religous quest down.....
I'm off to read it again...just wanted to say i'm happy you posted this piece.
 
Dreadful Nonsense
#4
Ok sorry for spam folks!!!!

This is awesome , i say again.
 
china
#5
s_lone
This is what I understand from your post China...

1Don't be afraid to raise your self-consciousness...
2Don't be afraid to question spiritual authority...
3Don't be afraid to be in control of yourself _______________________________

Hi s_lone ,Thanks for answering the post.Please read it again and try to think it out.

1)Consciousness . What is consciousness if not it's contents .Without the contents ,there is no consciousness.Can I "raise" my-self above my reality ?

2)There is no spiritual authority unless you make one for yourself .

3)If you know yourself s_lone ,then you don't need any form of control.One only controls things one doesn't know or understand.Parents who use control obviously don't know or love their child. Thanks.
Last edited by china; Jun 29th, 2007 at 08:28 AM..
 
china
#6
paced it2x
Last edited by china; Jun 29th, 2007 at 08:19 AM..
 
china
#7
DocDred,
Thanks for answering the post,
Don't understand what you mean by..........(Hope that isn't too scary for you from D'Avril)) *wink*
 
Dreadful Nonsense
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by china View Post

DocDred,
Thanks for answering the post,
Don't understand what you mean by..........(Hope that isn't too scary for you from D'Avril)) *wink*

note to board..when reading any sentence with D'Avril in it please realize that my alter ego is just popping out here. HeShe is usually dormant but does come out to say hi from time to time...*Wink*
 
Curiosity
#9
Greetings to my favorite ex-monk China....

Glad to see you busily driving people into themselves and their thoughts - have missed this place of positive rest and productive activity ....

Have much reading to do. Curio
 
china
#10
Curiosity,Your letter has made my day.No, my month .
So happy to see you back . Your ex-monk ,China.
 
Curiosity
#11
Thanks dear man - happy to be back too!
 
damngrumpy
#12
Interesting, organized religion is not about the spirit, or truth, or knowledge for that matter. Oranized religion with all its trapping is really about controlling the truth, trading ritual with action and good old fashioned politics, yes organized religion is about money and power and the truth be damned
Like a recovering alcoholic would, a person should live to their best potential each and every day, and as the shadows fall if you can look yourself in the mirror and say well done, you have done more for humanity, than all the preachers and politicians combined, for each person living to their best, supports the rest of the community
 
china
#13
damngrumpy

Oranized religion with all its trapping is really about controlling the truth, trading ritual with action and good old fashioned politics, yes organized religion is about money and power and the truth be damned.
_____________________________________

May be that's what Jesus wanted to prevent when He said : ..." Be in this world, but don't be of this world".
 
Curiosity
#14
Dear China

I've been hoping all day to find some kind of witty thing to write to your new conundrum....

The purpose of life ... Perhaps life is enough and becomes the purpose itself.

I know, I know - I didn't find much for an answer.

But it feels ok in my heart and head... so I'm putting it down.
Last edited by Curiosity; Jul 1st, 2007 at 08:28 PM..
 
Minority Observer84
#15
It's an immortal question .
Why does life have to have a purpose ?
Long ago humanity beilived it was chosen special somehow , now we know that we are simply and evolved life form , a natural being of this planet that has grasped the idea of ME . As far as we can tell we are unique in this aspect and because of our distinction from all other life we created myths to explain where we come from and where we are going . The truth is there is no purpose to life at least not one that i can see . Biologically our purpose is to survive and breed . But philosophically there is not purpose . More correctly what i meant to say is there is no unified global purpose of life , life has whatever purpose we choose to attach to it .
The actual answer is the one no one considered because it requires a certain amount of modesty to grasp and attain .
I could be wrong but that is my two cents i'am and open minded and rational person which means i outright reject any theories about life or the human race not at least partially based on fact . I'am willing to accept new ideas and i want to try and understand things from a new frame of referance but i'am not simple enough to believe anything .
 
china
#16
Dear Curiosity ,
The purpose of life ... Perhaps life is enough and becomes the purpose itself.

Action of that purpose Curio, is the awareness in all things, in your acts, your thoughts , your
emotions, and the achievements that are not born of reactions,and are not based on a pattern .That is the highest spirituality .





 
china
#17
<img>Minority Observer84 ,Thanks for your answer to my post ,some good things in it.It's 23:30 , my time ( China) and I,m going to call it a day .I will answer your post tomorrow , China .
 
china
#18
Minority Observer84
Long ago humanity beilived it was chosen special somehow , now we know that we are simply and evolved life form , a natural being of this planet that has grasped the idea of ME ...........Where do you get these informations and why do you talk in plural -is there more then one of you? Are you the chosen special?

As far as we can tell we are unique in this aspect and because of our distinction from all other life we created myths to explain where we come from and where we are going . ........Again plural ; are you afraid to speak for yourself ?
I don't create any myths ;and I know at least 3 persons who dodn't create any myths and who aren't sure where they came from and /or where they are going to.

The truth is there is no purpose to life at least not one that i can see . Biologically our purpose is to survive and breed . But philosophically there is not purpose . More correctly what i meant to say is there is no unified global purpose of life , life has whatever purpose we choose to attach to it .....................
You are right ,life isn't philosophical .Could you explain what "Life" is and how do you attach your chosen purpose?

The actual answer is the one no one considered because it requires a certain amount of modesty to grasp and attain ...... ............so the above answer is wrong , is it? I still hope that you will answer my questions .


I could be wrong but that is my two cents i'am and open minded and rational person which means i outright reject any theories about life or the human race not at least partially based on fact ..........................What facts are you talking about ,Minor Observer.What facts are your above observations based on?


I'am willing to accept new ideas and i want to try and understand things from a new frame of referance but i'am not simple enough to believe anything ...........
You are right ,simple you aren't .It is always difficult to keep simple and clear.
Last edited by china; Jul 3rd, 2007 at 09:23 AM..
 
Minority Observer84
#19
When I used we and whenever I use we above I'am talking about the human race in general .The Idea of ME is self awareness not me personally . The myths in question are the different religions and theologys of the world . Every culture has some for of theology or legend or myth to define it's own existence and one myth that has survived the test of the time is the idea of a meaning to life . Or a purpose to life . What is wrong with this idea you ask ? Simple it implies that there is one sole meaning to life for everybody . Disregarding people's different beliefs , goals , circumstances .
"Life" is your existence on this planet as you are now , everything you see and everyone you meet from the time of you initial self awareness to the time of your inevitable death . My own personal purpose is helping people that is what i do and what i'am training to do as a career , I get great personal pleasure from assisting people and do it as often as I can .
My Observations are based on two things primarily :
1) The Purpose of life is a concept that has existed in many cultures for thousands of years , But until today no one is able to provide any specific evidence to indicate that said purpose exists . In logical analysis it is always hard to prove a negative to prove that something does not exist so in order to assume that something exists or to even entertain the idea that it exists the person proposing the theory must come up with proof .
China Prove that there is a purpose to life , is there any evidence you can point to ?

2) The people of the world are too different to have one purpose in life yet the immortal question is not "what are the purposes of life ?" or " what is the purpose of your life?" i reject the idea that everyone everywhere has one purpose of life that we must all seek to attain it's too conforming and doesn't apply well to the diverse world around us .
 
Minority Observer84
#20
P.S And Simple is more often a bad thing than a good thing when discussing philosophical ideas , the world around us not neither simple nor uncomplicated .
 
Toro
#21
"The purpose of life is to have a good time, all the time."

- One of the many drummers in Spinal Tap.
 
china
#22
Minority Observer 84...................
My own personal purpose is helping people that is what i do and what i'am training to do as a career , I get great personal pleasure from assisting people......._____________________________________ _

I think that is a great career.Helping others you are learning allot about yourself.Without knowing yourself there is no reason for any kind of purpose .

China Prove that there is a purpose to life____________________


There are many people who will give you the purpose of life, M O 84 ; they will tell you what the sacred books say. The political group will have one purpose, the religious group will have another purpose, and so on and on. So, what is the purpose of life when you yourself are confused? When I am confused, I ask you this question, "What is the purpose of life?" because I hope that through this confusion, I shall find an answer. How can I find a true answer when I am confused? Do you understand? If I am confused, I can only receive an answer that is also confused. If my mind is confused, if my mind is disturbed, if my mind is not beautiful, quiet, whatever answer I receive will be through this screen of confusion, anxiety, and fear; therefore, the answer will be perverted. So, what is important is not to ask, "What is the purpose of life, of existence?" but to clear the confusion that is within you. It is like a blind man who asks, "What is light?" If I tell him what light is, he will listen according to his blindness, according to his darkness; but suppose he is able to see, then he will never ask the question, "What is light?" IT IS THERE.Similarly, if you can clarify the confusion within yourself, then you will find what the purpose of life is; you will not have to ask, you will not have to look for it; all that you have to do is to be free from those causes which bring about confusion.What are these causes Minority Observer 84 ?
Last edited by china; Jul 6th, 2007 at 05:30 AM..
 
Unforgiven
#23
"There is surely nothing other than the single purpose of the moment. A man's whole life is a succession of moment after moment. If one fully understands the present moment, there is nothing left to do, and nothing else to pursue."
Ghost Dog.
 
china
#24
"There is surely nothing other than the single purpose of the moment.__________
Very true ,Can you tell me what that purpose is?

A man's whole life is a succession of moment after moment. If one fully understands the present moment, there is nothing left to do, and nothing else to pursue."
Ghost Dog.______________________________________________

Couldn't said it better.
Last edited by china; Jul 6th, 2007 at 08:45 AM..
 
china
#25
As a cloud hurried by the winds across the valley so is man wherever he be, hurried along through life. Man has no fixed purpose, man has no understanding of the meaning of life, but is as the clouds that have no resting place, that are chased from valley to valley, that have no quietude, no tranquillity, no peace. Man has no goal. He is blind to the purpose of life and there is chaos and disintegration in him and hence in the world.


Don't know who the author is .
 
Unforgiven
#26
You must first define the moment. What is the moment?
Quote: Originally Posted by china View Post

"There is surely nothing other than the single purpose of the moment.__________
Very true ,Can you tell me what that purpose is?

A man's whole life is a succession of moment after moment. If one fully understands the present moment, there is nothing left to do, and nothing else to pursue."
Ghost Dog.______________________________________________

Couldn't said it better.

 
talloola
#27
My purpose in life is to 'wake up each morning with eagerness, happiness, look forward to the day, don't waste a moment of it, have energy, use it, show love, accept love, be kind, be smart, stay
healthy, learn.

Not deep, no fancy words, pretty simpley said, that's me.
 
china
#28
talloola
Not deep, no fancy words, pretty simpley said, that's me.___________________

Dear tallola , It's hard if not impossible to describe anything by using any kind of words ;simple or "fancy" or whatever other kind . .After all a word is not what it describes- if you know what I mean .
 
Liberalman
#29


John Lennon got it right when he said if we did not have religion we would truly have peace on earth.
 
BitWhys
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by china View Post

... But the true self resides in the region of pure action, so to attain to that self, to find out pure action, you must go through the process of reaction, of likes and dislikes, joys and pleasures, sorrows and great ecstasies, and gradually eliminate all reactions, till you arrive at your own dwelling-place, from which you act, but where there are no reactions. This is the purpose of life .Hows your meditation?

Self-control can't even overcome diarrhea let alone death but if oblivion's the destination to start I suppose its as good a place to start as any.
 

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