consciousness

china
#1
MickeyDB ;
The mystery of consciousness itself is fascinating and I invite you to explore deeper into these mysteries to form an appreciation for how wonderful and to take some literary license ….. "what a piece of work is man"… __________________________________________________ ____________________

I will be very happy to start a new thread ....Consciousness if you would like to participate in the "search".

When we talk of consciousness there are several things we can say in order to define the word. Being awake and aware of our surroundings is to be conscious. Using this definition we are including animals other than humans, because they share this kind, or level of consciousness. Humans are said to have a higher level of consciousness than all other known creatures on Earth however. One reason for this is that we are self aware. I can see myself as an individual, be aware of my identity, and create a self-image. I can also compare myself to, and consider myself separate from, everyone and everything else. We are aware of our surroundings in a way other animals are not. We see beauty in sunsets, landscapes and wildlife. We can see, and act on, the possibility of manipulating our environment to a degree that goes far beyond anything other species do. Most definitions of consciousness include ‘being awake’ as mine did, although we are actually still conscious, to some extent, when we are asleep. Loud enough noises, bright lights and other sensory information can all wake us up if necessary. So sleep is obviously not the same thing as total unconsciousness. We also talk of the sub-conscious, levels of consciousness of which we are not aware in the way we are aware of our everyday thoughts and sensory input. It has been argued that ‘deeper’ levels of consciousness are where instinctive and habitual behaviour patterns reside. These patterns may guide aspects of our behaviour and attitudes without us being entirely, or even at all, aware of them. Our sleeping state and those elements of consciousness of which we are not always aware are nevertheless, still aspects of consciousness.
What are your thoughts........? Can we go "deeper"?
Last edited by china; Nov 21st, 2006 at 12:21 AM..
 
s_lone
#2
You can always go deeper China...

Try to analyse your dreams for a whole year and you will get an idea of how deep you can go...
 
china
#3
Hi s-lone
Try to analyse your dreams for a whole year and you will get an idea of how deep you can go...
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I don't have to.Actualy I've turned my dreams into a reality many many years ago ,but thanks for the expert advice ,perhaps some of your fellow countrymen can use it.
Last edited by china; Nov 21st, 2006 at 08:45 AM..
 
Curiosity
#4
China/S-Lone - ha dreams are symbolic and are tough to reassemble into reality!

Consciousness is easier to contemplate than the Sub which is filled with our every observation. Were we able to recall all we have buried there at an interval of short term, we could go mad.

Ever driven a familiar route (to work or shopping) which you drive regularly and find yourself having "arrived" without remembering the drive there? Sub working for ya...
 
china
#5
Hi Curiosity ,good to "see' you again.
Ever driven a familiar route (to work or shopping) which you drive regularly and find yourself having "arrived" without remembering the drive there? Sub working for ya..._________________________________

Perhaps a habit ,conditioning.....?
 
Curiosity
#6
Hi China - nice to see you too!

If something happened on the way to work for instance - driving while semi-conscious in our state of non-awareness.... what if something "different" happened. Would our alert conscious mechanisms jump in
to assess and mitigate?

I have never had to find out. I hope so.
 
jimmoyer
#7
Hypnagogic state: when you are conscious of your dream and you start playing it backwards
to remember what happened before.

Great technique.

If you have the time in the morning.

Consciousness doesn't get rid of any ugly habits, but hypnotism does.
 
boagie
#8
Consiousness,

It is perhaps interesting that the object of consiousness proceeds consiousness,in fact consiousness is the product of it.When humanity states,I am the eyes of the world,the tastes,the smells,the consiousness of the world,he is trying to get his own attention.Is he indeed not the world? What in this life is there to think about accept that which constitutes the world,and as Nietzsche stated,"He whom believes the stars are above him lacks the eye of the decerning one." Our accomplishments are preordained in the world as possiablities.These accomplishments in technology,order, structure,and function,they are but examples of our own biology reflected back to us.When we realize our origins,there truely is no barrier between subject and object-------------------So,this thing called consiousness is the bridge,it is necessarily relational, as all knowledge is-------- your thoughts,insights?
 
hermanntrude
#9
I'm very unlucky with my dreams. i rarely remember them even at the moment of waking. and when i do they make no sense at ALL. Except the ones with tornados in them. I'm scared of tornados i think.

as for consciousness... maybe it's not ours? maybe it just is
 
MikeyDB
#10
I've been researching "consciousness" for decades....tough to wrap it all up in a tidy little bundle of a dozen lines or so...

As far as dreams are concerned I'm going to share something relatively personal with my friends here at CC...

BS....Before Strokes....I dreamt in color and have always had remarkable recall of my dreams. AS...After Strokes....I'm unaware of color in my dreams and a great deal of the "detail" I used to experience in my dreams has vanished. I corresponded with a collegue in London England regarding these changes to my experience of dreaming and we're continuing to collate data....

You might like to check-out "lucid dreaming"...
 
Curiosity
#11
MikeyDB

This is extremely interesting stuff and personal to you of course. I want to ask you something and if you don't feel free in responding, I understand.....

Did you have multiple strokes?

What area(s) of your brain were attacked?

Having participation in an ongoing study to which you can add your own experience must make this fascinating.
 
MikeyDB
#12
Three in total.

Inferior temporal gyrus and although not absolutely positive there's a good chance the basilar artery and the Pontine artery were involved.
 
L Gilbert
#13
If people think animals aren't self-aware, they should spend some time with them. If they weren't self-aware, for instance, how would an alpha male in a family know he was the alpha male? Or how would a 1200 pound griz know he was too big for an 1000 pound griz to fight over a female. Why would chickens have "pecking orders"?
I'd suggest most humans are barely conscious and self-aware.
 
L Gilbert
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB View Post

basilar artery and the Pontine artery were involved.

I use basil lots. Also had Poutine several times.
 
L Gilbert
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB View Post

I've been researching "consciousness" for decades....tough to wrap it all up in a tidy little bundle of a dozen lines or so...

As far as dreams are concerned I'm going to share something relatively personal with my friends here at CC...

BS....Before Strokes....I dreamt in color and have always had remarkable recall of my dreams. AS...After Strokes....I'm unaware of color in my dreams and a great deal of the "detail" I used to experience in my dreams has vanished. I corresponded with a collegue in London England regarding these changes to my experience of dreaming and we're continuing to collate data....

You might like to check-out "lucid dreaming"...

I do the lucid dreaming thing. Can't seem to quit. I like surprises.
Um, about the changes you went through, the other day I posted a link to a study that found the occipital region of the brain is responsible for imagination, dreams, etc. if I can find it again ....................
 
L Gilbert
#16
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...301357,00.html

Still looking for the study.
 
MikeyDB
#17
In part, but the activity of dreaming isn't nearly so specific as for instance vision and language centers....

The lymbic system amygdala, hypothalmus, pineal gland...a bunch of different areas are involved..
Last edited by MikeyDB; Jan 15th, 2007 at 12:54 PM..Reason: Durn computer cut me off before I finished...
 
L Gilbert
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by jimmoyer View Post

Hypnagogic state: when you are conscious of your dream and you start playing it backwards
to remember what happened before.

Great technique.

If you have the time in the morning.

Consciousness doesn't get rid of any ugly habits, but hypnotism does.

So does willpower. But one actually has to want to quit.
 
L Gilbert
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB View Post

In part, but the activity of dreaming isn't nearly so specific as for instance vision and language centers....

Th

Yeah, I think there were a few that thought the pons was the area where they came from, too. Funny.
 
MikeyDB
#20
Just read the article on the link provided and concur (in general) but one of the great difficulties in narrowing the focus on consciousness..and dreaming (causes/source etc.) is that fmri time is often better spent with immediate questions than research.
 
Curiosity
#21
MikeyDB

Thank you for the information - I'll have to do some reading on the location and purposes of these....but appreciate your conversations here too...
 

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