5 Questions about Islam

zoofer
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Saw these questions on the net. Just 5 questions by no referenced source. However the questions are valid enough.

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Five questions non-Muslims would like answered

THE RIOTING IN France by primarily Muslim youths and the hotel bombings in Jordan are the latest events to prompt sincere questions that law-abiding Muslims need to answer for Islam's sake, as well as for the sake of worried non-Muslims.

Here are five of them:

(1) Why are you so quiet?

Since the first Israelis were targeted for death by Muslim terrorists blowing themselves up in the name of your religion and Palestinian nationalism, I have been praying to see Muslim demonstrations against these atrocities. Last week's protests in Jordan against the bombings, while welcome, were a rarity. What I have seen more often is mainstream Muslim spokesmen implicitly defending this terror on the grounds that Israel occupies Palestinian lands. We see torture and murder in the name of Allah, but we see no anti-torture and anti-murder demonstrations in the name of Allah.

There are a billion Muslims in the world. How is it possible that essentially none have demonstrated against evils perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam? This is true even of the millions of Muslims living in free Western societies. What are non-Muslims of goodwill supposed to conclude? When the Israeli government did not stop a Lebanese massacre of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982, great crowds of Israeli Jews gathered to protest their country's moral failing. Why has there been no comparable public demonstration by Palestinians or other Muslims to morally condemn Palestinian or other Muslim-committed terror?

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

If Israeli occupation is the reason for Muslim terror in Israel, why do no Christian Palestinians engage in terror? They are just as nationalistic and just as occupied as Muslim Palestinians.

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

According to Freedom House, a Washington-based group that promotes democracy, of the world's 47 Muslim countries, only Mali is free. Sixty percent are not free, and 38% are partly free. Muslim-majority states account for a majority of the world's "not free" states. And of the 10 "worst of the worst," seven are Islamic states. Why is this?

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

Young girls in Indonesia were recently beheaded by Muslim murderers. Last year, Muslims in the name of Islam murdered hundreds of schoolchildren in Russia. While reciting Muslim prayers, Islamic terrorists take foreigners working to make Iraq free and slaughter them. Muslim daughters are murdered by their own families in the thousands in "honor killings." And the Muslim government in Iran has publicly called for the extermination of Israel.

(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

No church or synagogue is allowed in Saudi Arabia. The Taliban destroyed some of the greatest sculptures of the ancient world because they were Buddhist. Sudan's Islamic regime has murdered great numbers of Christians.

Instead of confronting these problems, too many of you deny them. Muslims call my radio show to tell me that even speaking of Muslim or Islamic terrorists is wrong. After all, they argue, Timothy McVeigh is never labeled a "Christian terrorist." As if McVeigh committed his terror as a churchgoing Christian and in the name of Christ, and as if there were Christian-based terror groups around the world.

As a member of the media for nearly 25 years, I have a long record of reaching out to Muslims. Muslim leaders have invited me to speak at major mosques. In addition, I have studied Arabic and Islam, have visited most Arab and many other Muslim countries and conducted interfaith dialogues with Muslims in the United Arab Emirates as well as in the U.S. Politically, I have supported creation of a Palestinian state and supported (mistakenly, I now believe) the Oslo accords.

Hundreds of millions of non-Muslims want honest answers to these questions, even if the only answer you offer is, "Yes, we have real problems in Islam." Such an acknowledgment is infinitely better for you and for the world than dismissing us as anti-Muslim.

We await your response.

 
Finder
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Yeman was seculer for a long time, at least the marxist part, and they did have a funtioning democracy during most of the 90's too, but the civil war has killed such a dream.

Also Zoofar I would say colonialization retarded the spread of enlightentment and reason in these nations.

It's just not religion I would say the following have a big impact.

Religion (islam)
Nationalism (sometimes combinding with religion)
Sectarism (again religion taking some hold here as well)
Remembering colonialism
Current conflics in the middle east betweenm the West and the east.
American support for Isreal
Religion as a tool of the ruling class to keep the masses in poverity while they take away the wealth of the nation (oil).
The Christian world has already had the age of reason and enlightment come and go.
Liberal, socialist and social democratic values have spread in the middle east but the resurganze of fanatical islam is on the rise lately, perhaps caused by an increase of violance in the middle east by the west.

Wow I've not even started I could list reasons all night
 
THE GALILEAN
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(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?


because
1. Palestinian Christians are a minority
2. Palestinian Christians are oppressed also from the Moslems

funny point
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why do no Christian Palestinians engage in terror?

do Palestinian Christians have to defend alone ? and where is all the Christians World ?
does the Christian World accept that Palestinian Christians fight oppression alone ?
 
Sassylassie
#4
From what I've been reading the Christians have been fleeing unmasse since Palestine has turned into a civil war zone. Shameful, terrorist running an elected government.
 
tamarin
#5
Extreme Islam is committed to world domination. Most Muslims seem quiet and respectful but they don't argue with the basic agenda. I hope the West realizes what's happening. The latter has two priorities: a concrete plan to stop the ongoing conquest; and penalties for those amongst us who have made this madness all possible.
 
Sassylassie
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Tamarin, damn you make to much common sense. I love it, keep up the great posts.
 
tamarin
#7
Sassy, I keep scrapbooks. Clippings from the key Canadian dailies. Organized, sequential. I much prefer it to a growing bin of internet links. The file on Islam keeps getting larger and larger. This is a huge problem and the West, because it can't conceive that tolerance is its chief failing, ignores the growing danger. I'm a linear individual, black and white. No one needs to draw me a picture on this one. We're in trouble and I don't think we're going to get out of this one.
 
THE GALILEAN
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tamarin

it`s all because of the zionism movement
and state of israel is the source of the problems in the world
moslem are blaming the world for what`s hapenning in the Palestine.

moslems wants jerusalem although they have no religional right in jerusalem, they conquered jerusalem, and all that nonesence about muhamed the prophet was in jerusalem in al alaqsa Mosque it`s all lies.

Actually there is no man witnessed that muhamed was really there.
the source of their religion islam is from mecca not jersalem
so they have no religional right in jerusalem

the Holy Land is for the Christians
 
Mikbeamish
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the Holy Land is for the Christians[/quote]

The holy land? It's a piece of land with a whole lot of social status and significance given to it. The only reason the land is holy is because people CHOOSE to believe it's holy. A public bathroom can be made holy as long as a group of people CHOOSE to make it so. The land like a public washroom is meant for everyone. Why can land be land and we can quit fighting over it like starving dogs over a bone. Why can't we live in peace?
 
RomSpaceKnight
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What a load of racist crap! Blaming either Muslims or Jews for the world's problems. The Jews spent probably 1500 years cast out there homelands, abused, denied basic rights and finally herded in to gas chambers for execution by Europeans. At the first chance some admittedly more radical ones (Zionists) take the opportunity to reseize the land that was theirs with the motto "Never Again". For centuries the only occupation allowed them was money lenders. Then after generations of being money lenders and merchant bankers we turn on them as Jewish conspirators bent on world domination. Muslims if given the choice would gladly lead peaceable lives of goodwill and harmony. Most live under repressive regimes supported by armies armed and equipped by western and Chinese goverments. Watching muslim protestors burn American flags and thinking all Muslims feel the same is as stupid as watching a Klan rally on TV and assuming all Americans are racist bigots. Have you noticed most of the people in the background , not mugging for camera, are not smiling or cheering, just like at Klan rallies you see on A&E documentaries. Afghanistan before the Russian invasion may have been a backward ass country but did not figure in world politics or news. The Russians created Osama. The continued support of repressive non-representative goverments by the US gave him credibility. What's next an attack on NA natives for dredging up 100's of years of marginalization where we stole their land for a few baubles? Then 200 years later they take us to court because we even cheated them out of the few baubles.
 
Daz_Hockey
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Quote: Originally Posted by RomSpaceKnight View Post

What a load of racist crap! Blaming either Muslims or Jews for the world's problems. The Jews spent probably 1500 years cast out there homelands, abused, denied basic rights and finally herded in to gas chambers for execution by Europeans. At the first chance some admittedly more radical ones (Zionists) take the opportunity to reseize the land that was theirs with the motto "Never Again". For centuries the only occupation allowed them was money lenders. Then after generations of being money lenders and merchant bankers we turn on them as Jewish conspirators bent on world domination. Muslims if given the choice would gladly lead peaceable lives of goodwill and harmony. Most live under repressive regimes supported by armies armed and equipped by western and Chinese goverments. Watching muslim protestors burn American flags and thinking all Muslims feel the same is as stupid as watching a Klan rally on TV and assuming all Americans are racist bigots. Have you noticed most of the people in the background , not mugging for camera, are not smiling or cheering, just like at Klan rallies you see on A&E documentaries. Afghanistan before the Russian invasion may have been a backward ass country but did not figure in world politics or news. The Russians created Osama. The continued support of repressive non-representative goverments by the US gave him credibility. What's next an attack on NA natives for dredging up 100's of years of marginalization where we stole their land for a few baubles? Then 200 years later they take us to court because we even cheated them out of the few baubles.

I am in the acsendency on this one...completely agree....apart from one small fact...America Created Osama.
 
RomSpaceKnight
#12
Sorry Osama was a legit mujadiheen fighter against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. He used hid family money to create a network of roads, hospitals and supply bases to assist the resistance. This data base network was called the Base (al-Queda). It's no wonder some Afghanis love him so much. I sent 20$ thru Soldier of Fortune mag to assist back in the 80's. Does that make me an al-Queda mole.
 
wallyj
#13
Question 1. Because Allah said it is okay to kill. and if you cannot accept that you should die. Praise Allah,he who loves all,he who is almighty,he is pure.You who don't accept murder and mutilation are wrong.You should and will die. Praise Allah,he loves all,except for woman,and gays,and you,and you,and your neighbour,and that uppitty black guy,joos,and those other muslims,goddamn christians,etc. Praise allah,give him a hug and if he rubs your back,he is just looking for the best place to stick his knife. Time to wake up world,they want us compliant or dead! Cheers.
 
RomSpaceKnight
#14
The Koran says nothing about that. You are actually quoting the islamofacists. Does the bible actually say to gay bash and kill abortion doctors. No it does not but some christian whackos would have you believe it. Almost any publication that came out over 1500 years ago will contain some out moded speech and thoughts even the New Testament. Don't let the media and politicians think for you.
 
RomSpaceKnight
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Facist is just what they are too. Don't forget Hitler was legally elected to power. These islamo facist are playing on people oppressed by their goverments, who watch as the life blood of their country is shipped off to some far place to support other folks wasteful and hedonistic lifestyles. Who find themselves in the middle of world issues just by being born in a contentious part of the world with a history of colonialism and exploitation. Even the rantings of illiterate thiugs in the guise of religious men can sound sane when compared to the propaganda of repressive and non representative goverments. These people need our help not our ridicule less we recreate the conditions that led to Nazi Germany.
 
wallyj
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I was not quoting anyone. I made that all up on what is going on in the world now. The question is<Why does the rest of the islamic population sit with thier mouths shut? How about,if they speak up,the all loving allah people will slice thier throats? I am not a christian,and never will be an allah puppet. There is killers in all religions,but islam condones the killings in the name of the beast.
 
RomSpaceKnight
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Are you for real, bud? "I am not a christian,and never will be an allah puppet. There is killers in all religions,but islam condones the killings in the name of the beast." Where do you come up with this crap?
 
wallyj
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Explain further,why do you call it crap? The islamic religion is very violent,right now they are killing each other because they don't like thier neighbours brand of islamism. Darfur,Gaza strip,Iraq,Algeria,shall I go on?
 
tamarin
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The omnipresence of violence in the Islamic world should make any concerned westerner think. Given that Muslims are loath to integrate here, and given their numbers are skyrocketing, is there such a thing as critical mass at work? Will we, given the necessary population numbers, experience the same harrowing events we witness now - thankfully - far off-shore?
 
RomSpaceKnight
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Quote: Originally Posted by wallyj View Post

Explain further,why do you call it crap? The islamic religion is very violent,right now they are killing each other because they don't like thier neighbours brand of islamism. Darfur,Gaza strip,Iraq,Algeria,shall I go on?

Darfur is a repressive regime which happens to be Islamic killing animistic and christian southerners, not islam versus islam. Gaza is Fatah versus Hamas not sunni versus shiite, Algeria is a fundamentalisy islamic resistance fighting a military dictatorship that nullified legal elections when it appeared the islamics were going to win, Iraq is tribal based a left over of Saddams tribe being Sunni. Get your facts straight. Then again bigotry is usually based on ignorance.
 
Shia
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wow... so world really think of my faith like this!! Interesting!! I might not be a perfect muslim but let me answer those questions for you! (please keep in mind this is just my own opinion and has nothing to do with the Whole muslim world)


(1) Why are you so quiet?

Hmm you want muslim people to stand up against the terrorists... But how do you expect them to do that...when Israel has an army, nuclear power and is backed by US who control U.N. ? who is being repressed there..

Many muslim people regret the loss of american people on the 9/11, but americans didnt considered anything...and they blindly started attacking all these muslim nations...iraq, afghanistan... they never bathered helping israel and palestine reach peace... but instead they started more wars. How do you expect muslim people to stand up when All american policy is "whatever the hell they want to do" ... U.N was suppose to be a peace keeping organization..and they have turned it into their own agency... where they veto power anything other nations have to say... and then nothing gets done!! I can also ask this question to the non-muslims. How come they dont stand up for us when we are getting oppressed.

I am not saying All muslims are good muslims! We are humans, and we also make mistakes, but right now if you look around the world, we are the only ones that are being attacked. (please dont get me into the african conflicts, cause I am not into their circle of life) lol

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

They are a minority group, and most of them become refuggees when any war happens... they move to different regions... when it stops, they come back with their bibles and start blessing the people and try to revert them. hehe Another possible reason is media... It doesnt want to show such facts...

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

Free? well what do you mean free? Does it have anything to do with democracy...cause if so, most of them are democratic countries. There are some kingdom rules.. but that is by people's choice. They also have a kingdom in The NEtherlands and UK... but people still call them free countries..~!

(anyone that can clarify me the meaning of free, then I can answer it for them)

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

I suppose its because Muslims unlike other religions take their faith seriously. I personally find it riduculous of people to commit murder in the name of God. IT happens... but what I find amazing is that, when ever something happens in a islamic country, the headlines on the news usually states its done by MUSLIMS... or it was an act of islamic extremists, and one of my favorites radical islamists!!! they never say Murder took place in indonesia... or a girl got raped in yemen. It always comes out, to be something to do with Islam or muslims.

For once I would love to hear the headline, an extreme christan sends troops to iraq!! haha
The only fact I must agree with you in this question is, about honor killing. Its the one thing I regret myself, and many of my other muslim friends also agree with me on this.


(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?


I am sure by this question they are talking about IRAN... and why it is so anti-jewish. Well come to think of it, look what has been happening to palestine for the past god knows how many years. The palestinian's one suicide bomber who apparantly dies off and takes how much, 8 or 10 people with him? ... and compared that to Israel's aircrafts... and its latest missiles... who is also being supported by America.. !! who do you think is standing up for palestinians? ... none of the other muslim countries are helping...none of the non-muslim countries feel their pain.. ! when iran took a stand... all of a sudden people are raising eye-brows!!



I believe all of this can still be stopped...if american people hire a muslim person to help them in a peace keeping strategy!! All they need to show is some right set of guides.. I mean, what can they loose? ..


 
Just the Facts
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Quote: Originally Posted by RomSpaceKnight View Post

Darfur is a repressive regime which happens to be Islamic killing animistic and christian southerners, not islam versus islam.

The killing of Christians is in the south of Sudan, not in Darfur. The massacres in Darfur are Sudanese government supported Arab Muslims killing Black Muslims. I applaud you, however, for at least being aware of the "cleansing" of Christians in the south. Most people have no idea.

Facts are important.
 
Just the Facts
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Quote: Originally Posted by Shia View Post

wow... so world really think of my faith like this!! Interesting!! I might not be a perfect muslim but let me answer those questions for you! (please keep in mind this is just my own opinion and has nothing to do with the Whole muslim world)


(1) Why are you so quiet?

Hmm you want muslim people to stand up against the terrorists... But how do you expect them to do that...when Israel has an army, nuclear power and is backed by US who control U.N. ? who is being repressed there..

I don't think anyone expects you to take up arms against the terrorists. I think what was more expected was an ideological battle with the terrorists. Terrorists use the Koran and Islamic jurisprudence to justify themselves, and also to recruit. Why can they not be definitively proven incorrect in their interpretation?

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(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

They are a minority group, and most of them become refuggees when any war happens... they move to different regions... when it stops, they come back with their bibles and start blessing the people and try to revert them. hehe Another possible reason is media... It doesnt want to show such facts...

I don't know enough about this to comment definitively, but I do know that Christians in Palestine and in the Muslim world are having a very rough go of it.


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(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

Free? well what do you mean free? ... (anyone that can clarify me the meaning of free, then I can answer it for them)

Freedom of conscience. Freedom to speak. Freedom to worship as one sees fit. Freedom from persecution. These freedoms are for all practical purposes non-existant in most Islamic nations.

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(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

For once I would love to hear the headline, an extreme christan sends troops to iraq!! haha
The only fact I must agree with you in this question is, about honor killing. Its the one thing I regret myself, and many of my other muslim friends also agree with me on this.

There is a difference between a Muslim commiting a crime and a Muslim who procalims himself to be killing for the sake of his religion. No one calls a Muslim who robs a liquor store for profit a terrorist.

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(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

I am sure by this question they are talking about IRAN... and why it is so anti-jewish. Well come to think of it, look what has been happening to palestine for the past god knows how many years. The palestinian's one suicide bomber who apparantly dies off and takes how much, 8 or 10 people with him? ... and compared that to Israel's aircrafts... and its latest missiles... who is also being supported by America.. !! who do you think is standing up for palestinians? ... none of the other muslim countries are helping...none of the non-muslim countries feel their pain.. ! when iran took a stand... all of a sudden people are raising eye-brows!!



I believe all of this can still be stopped...if american people hire a muslim person to help them in a peace keeping strategy!! All they need to show is some right set of guides.. I mean, what can they loose? ..

No not just Iran. There is no religious freedom in ANY Islamic nation. At all. Period.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/religion...%20in%20sa.htm
 
Shia
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I don't think anyone expects you to take up arms against the terrorists. I think what was more expected was an ideological battle with the terrorists. Terrorists use the Koran and Islamic jurisprudence to justify themselves, and also to recruit. Why can they not be definitively proven incorrect in their interpretation?

Guess what..we would proove them wrong if what they say wasnt true. But they are right, when a country is being oppressed by a stronger power, what should the world do? Let it go? Most of the time, that is how it goes, they react either too late, or they drag along this whole "peace" allegations until a mass genocide has already occured!!

Example: bosnia

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I don't know enough about this to comment definitively, but I do know that Christians in Palestine and in the Muslim world are having a very rough go of it.

How come other christans dont resolve this...I see muslims defending the country..why is it that Mr. Bush keeps on supporting Israel. If they want to resolve the iran issue, they will definately have to resolve the palestinian issue first. It will show the iranians, that they meant well for the muslims.

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Freedom of conscience. Freedom to speak. Freedom to worship as one sees fit. Freedom from persecution. These freedoms are for all practical purposes non-existant in most Islamic nations.

Freedom of conscience? Perhaps one should first look in the mirror, before making such judgement. Mr. Bush decision to go to war against iraq went against the majority's of the american people's will,but he still went on. I thought america was the land of freedom, if the president go against the people's will, what freedom are they talking about then.. Muslim countries have more freedom than that, with only a few exceptions, but you cant say they dont have freedom, thats their own will to stay under an anarchy rules. There is no point in enforcing "freedom". I believe alot of developed muslim countries have freedom of religion, e.g Pakistan, indonesia, turkie, etc.

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There is a difference between a Muslim commiting a crime and a Muslim who procalims himself to be killing for the sake of his religion. No one calls a Muslim who robs a liquor store for profit a terrorist.

um so who ever is fighting for their faith, belief is considered to be a terrorist? hmm was it blair or mr. bush who said that God told him to go to war against iraq? ohh and Also Israel is fighting palestinain for their land that was given to them by God, so we all are fighting for somewhat our beliefs'... are we all terrorists then?...btw that is exactly the problem, when a muslim person robs a liquor store, they have headlines all accross cnn, on international media that a "Muslim robbed a liquor store!" infact there are so many other people that steal those stores all the time and they never put that as news headings. Bias'd media!

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No not just Iran. There is no religious freedom in ANY Islamic nation. At all. Period.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/religion...%20in%20sa.htm

Saudi arabia is the muslim holy city, please dont take one exception and blame it on the rest. I dont want to show figures of religious freedom in islamic nations but what I can tell is, there is freedom baby!! I have given some examples of this previously when i was answering your other reply,


I apologize, if any of my statements were offensive to anyone, I meant no harm in anyway, and all of this was my opinion as a muslim. Thank you.

Kind regards,
Shia
 
Colpy
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Guess what..we would proove them wrong if what they say wasnt true. But they are right, when a country is being oppressed by a stronger power, what should the world do? Let it go? Most of the time, that is how it goes, they react either too late, or they drag along this whole "peace" allegations until a mass genocide has already occured!!

Oh, baloney!

You have Arab clerics issuing fatwas delaring Jewish babies as future Israeli soldiers so idiots with explosive belts can kill them with religious impunity.........and expect their reward as martyrs. When Israel withdraws from Gaza......with plans for large scale withdrawals from the West Bank, the areas they leave become instant staging spots for attacks on Israel. When Israel withdrew from Lebanon, they left it to Hezbollah, who want to kill all Jews..............


Example: bosnia


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How come other christans dont resolve this...I see muslims defending the country..why is it that Mr. Bush keeps on supporting Israel. If they want to resolve the iran issue, they will definately have to resolve the palestinian issue first. It will show the iranians, that they meant well for the muslims.

The USA and hopefully Canada will continue to support Israel because it is a liberal democracy afloat in a sea, surrounded by religious lunatics, or power-mad fascist dictators. Israel is the only one deserving of support.........or those nations at peace with Israel.



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Freedom of conscience? Perhaps one should first look in the mirror, before making such judgement. Mr. Bush decision to go to war against iraq went against the majority's of the american people's will,but he still went on. I thought america was the land of freedom, if the president go against the people's will, what freedom are they talking about then.. Muslim countries have more freedom than that, with only a few exceptions, but you cant say they dont have freedom, thats their own will to stay under an anarchy rules. There is no point in enforcing "freedom". I believe alot of developed muslim countries have freedom of religion, e.g Pakistan, indonesia, turkie, etc.

At the time of the invasion, most people believed, with good reason, Saddam had WMDs. Most people, I believe, supported the move on the grounds of that mistaken perception. If you have a source that says otherwise, I'd like to see it.

WHICH MUSLIM COUNTRIES ARE FREE? A list, please. Shouldn't be too difficult.



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um so who ever is fighting for their faith, belief is considered to be a terrorist? hmm was it blair or mr. bush who said that God told him to go to war against iraq? ohh and Also Israel is fighting palestinain for their land that was given to them by God, so we all are fighting for somewhat our beliefs'... are we all terrorists then?...btw that is exactly the problem, when a muslim person robs a liquor store, they have headlines all accross cnn, on international media that a "Muslim robbed a liquor store!" infact there are so many other people that steal those stores all the time and they never put that as news headings. Bias'd media!

Terrorism can be defined as an attack centered on civilians with no military objective present.



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Saudi arabia is the muslim holy city, please dont take one exception and blame it on the rest. I dont want to show figures of religious freedom in islamic nations but what I can tell is, there is freedom baby!! I have given some examples of this previously when i was answering your other reply,

Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia are the holy cities........WHERE IS THERE FREEDOM OF THOUGHT RELIGION AND SPEECH IN THE MUSLIM WORLD? WHERE?

A very short list.


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I apologize, if any of my statements were offensive to anyone, I meant no harm in anyway, and all of this was my opinion as a muslim. Thank you



No offense taken here.............
 
Sassylassie
#26
As long as we have dialog Shia I have hope, not for the extremist but with moderate Muslims in the East because it's to late for the ME and Asia and the Horn of Africa, Europe, the Extremist control the reigning Governments or will once they are done slaughtering Africian Muslims, Christians and Buddist world wide and all the while the Extremist are using Immigrants to push for sweaping changes in Democratic countries for "More" rights for Muslim than those who ancestors' founded that country. It's going to be an ugly and bloody ride. Will we be ready?
 
Dixie Cup
#27
I agree sassy; religion/religious beliefs need to be taken out of politics on all sides but that isn't going to happen in the ME and other places because they believe that religion is politics. How does anyone reconcile that?? I don't know about you but that scares the %$#$%@ out of me.

As Canadians we will have to be VERY careful about giving so called "rights" to religious minorities (not unlike Shria law (sp??). It has no place in our country. Our laws need to be applied to everyone equally no matter what cultural or religious background period.

Just my opinion...
 
gopher
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the Holy Land is for the Christians


Not necessarily according to the New Testament: it belongs to all 12 Abrahamic tribes and to all who proclaim Jesus as Saviour -- that includes Muslims according to Koran, Sura 4, Line 168 {Jones translation}.

See Galatians 3:29.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by zoofer View Post

Saw these questions on the net. Just 5 questions by no referenced source. However the questions are valid enough.

Seeing as Shia, our own self proclaimed Muslim, just deflected and danced around answering these question. Much to my dissappointment, I was hoping to see something akin, to what I have heard from the Muslims I associate with on regular basis. But no, just more propoganda and garbage bias.

(1) Why are you so quiet?

a) Some are not, they just aren't heard.
b) Some can not be bothered.
c) Some silently support the stupidity.
d) Others justafy it, like shia and some of those asshats that hang around here.

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

That's easy, they have not followed the teachings of their faith, as dictated by a maniac, following his own vision of Islam/Christianity.

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

This is simple, if you try to rule a country with the laws of a Religious prophet writen thousands of years ago, you will run into trouble at the get go. Not everyone wants to be so pios, but the clerics could care less. Their interpretation is the law, See the problem?

The reason, there is only one, that is free, is because, only one has seen fit to water down the rhetoric, use balance and forethought to govern, not antiqueted teachings and suggestions.

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

I'll have to argue that, as they do commit a fair many, they are hardly the leaders. I'll leave that title to the US. But their actions are committed out of the thoughts planted in their heads by those that would see the world rid of Jews and the total convertion of man to Islam. The suicide bomber, is the strongest believer of the most corrupt of the teachings.

Oddly enough, we always see the student pull the string, push the button on themselves, never the most pois teachers of this twisted version of Islam.

(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

Because the version of Islam that rules the country is twisted, perverted and interpretted by man, to fulfil his vision of Islam, not of the Quran. If the Bible were followed and interpretted in the same way. The cries of "Praise Jesus" would ring before the survivors ears do.
 
Sassylassie
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Bear has nailed the problem with Extreme Islam, interpreting the Koran in the Literal sense ergo using 17th century idiology in the 21st century. The Koran reminds me of a 17th century "War and Battle" instruction manual.

The five questions: I'll answer them with my opinion.
Here are five of them:

(1) Why are you so quiet?

A. They are quiet in a Free democratic country because they spend most of their time trying to re-enact the Country they left all the while finding offence with their "Adopted" countries "Culture" a sense of entitlement and the belief that being a Muslim garners more rights than other religions or cultures. The only issues that effects Muslims are issue about Islam, the coutry that adopted them isn't really their country it's a place to live and worship Islam. No loyality to the free country they live in.

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(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

Well that is an easy question to answer, Christians have evolved and grown away from Tribal laws, we've become civilized. Islamic Palestinians have a tribal culture that inflicts unfair laws, policies and brutality on their women and children. You might find the odd Fundy Christian ranting but rarely do they feel compelled to kill innocents in the name of Jesus Christ.

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

The nature of Islam is to be led blindly and not to question the Imams who hold all the power, Muslims fear freedom and frankly don't seem able to understand the concept of "Freedom" and "Democracy". They'd rather be controled by the fanatics world wide, until they educate themselves with literature that isn't the Koran they will remain enslaved by their leaders or Islamic fanatics.

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

The Koran is a violent book, it preaches violence against non-Muslims, Jews-Christians, Hindu etc. It preaches violence against women and children the only people spared in the Koran are Adult Males. There is no act to vile that isn't covered in the Koran, it allows them to commit vile attrocious acts
such as genocide and they need not feel any remorse because Allah "Wills it".


(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

Because the Koran tells them to. I find it rather ironic that a Muslim can come to Canada and build a great life and when they feel their rights are violated they have numerous laws to protect them and their Religion but a Christian has no rights in any Islamic Country. So why do Muslims expect to be pandered to and appeased by their adopted country. Why the superiority complex? Perhaps because they are tought from childhood that there is a sense of entitlement for Muslims ergo the Koran?


 

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