Canada should unilaterally drop all tariffs and subsidies.


White_Unifier
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#1
Think of the money this would save on government civil servants flying around the world to negotiating trade deals all of which one simple vote in Parliament could eliminate.

I suppose we could still respect UN sanctions, but unilaterally trade freely beyond that.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWYWvB_CuhE
 
Bar Sinister
#2
It would only work if other nations play fair. Good luck on that.
 
White_Unifier
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#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

It would only work if other nations play fair. Good luck on that.

Singapore, Hong Kong, and New Zealand have unilaterally dropped trade barriers except for public-policy matters. Hong Kong for example still tariffs tobacco, alcohol, and fuel imports for public-health considerations.

Singapore and Hong Kong are wealthier than Canada on a per-capita basis. I don't know about New Zealand, but understand that has benefitted from unilatteral free trade too. How is that?
 
Hoid
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#4
YOU have literally no understanding of economics.
 
darkbeaver
#5
A couple of paragraphs about economics from your perspective is in order I think.

i think you.re an intelligent person capable of defending your position.

My substance abuse however has at times clouded my something or other.
 
Bar Sinister
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Singapore, Hong Kong, and New Zealand have unilaterally dropped trade barriers except for public-policy matters. Hong Kong for example still tariffs tobacco, alcohol, and fuel imports for public-health considerations.

Singapore and Hong Kong are wealthier than Canada on a per-capita basis. I don't know about New Zealand, but understand that has benefitted from unilatteral free trade too. How is that?




So, three nations out of 200? Canada is right next door to one of the biggest trade whiners in the world. What do you think of the chances the US will play fair, especially considering that it never has?
 
Hoid
#7
btw on dairyIf we drop dairy subsidies and protections US factory farms will simply flood Canada with cheap milk destroying a 200 year old dairy farming culture.

There is no doubt about what will happen and anyone who advocates for doing it is an idiot.


ON the dairy issue if you were to look into this you find out that US dairy farms produce way more milk than do Canadian dairy farms because their regulations regarding how much milk you can chemically induce a cow to make are far more liberal than Canada's.
The downside is that US stock does make make for good breeding and that is why just about 100% of all dairy breeding stock is Canadian.

SO the destruction of Canadian dairy would in fact threaten American dairy.

But that is just one of those small little facts that you have to understand prior to deciding about things like tariffs.

Unlike being a white nationalist climate change denier which you can be just by closing your eyes and wishing.
Last edited by Hoid; Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:21 AM..
 
petros
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#8
Canada and US are both overproducing. Have you seen all the yogurt lately? They needed to create the yogurt market to survive.
 
AncientMuse
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#9
Trump: "Let's drop all subsidies, tariffs, and any other protective measures from these trade agreements."

The rest of the world: "You first buddy."
 
Hoid
#10
Trump raises tariffs one day and demands you drop them the next.

He is a fake president. Does not know what he needs to know and does not care.

All he needs to do is make abortion illegal and drop environmental laws and his hideous base will be happy
 
Curious Cdn
#11
Trump is implying that the Canadian milk market is something that has been taken from those American farmers in Wisconsin ... that they have a right to it and that we have somehow stolen it away from the rightful American owners.

It never was their market. They have never had access to it and therefore, how can we suddenly be responsible for American dairy farmers doing themselves in? Truth is, our supply management system has prevented the very hardships that the American farmers are experiencing and that the root if the problem is a basic inability of the Americans to care for each other's welfare (see: selective US health care).

By the way, if you think that commie Canada is the bad guy, check out how Uncle Sam subsidizes and protects their corn crops. Let's see the Yanks drop THOSE in exchange for our dairy market. That will never happen. The corn lobby is like the health care lobby, tobacco lobby, armaments lobbies ... more powerful than the US government.

http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?f...&progcode=corn
Last edited by Curious Cdn; Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:46 AM..
 
Hoid
#12
Everyone understands that Canada is not the bad guy.

Trump is in fact a lot more embarrassing to Americans than he is to us.

To us he is just a drunken guest - to them he a drunk Uncle.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Everyone understands that Canada is not the bad guy.

Trump is in fact a lot more embarrassing to Americans than he is to us.

To us he is just a drunken guest - to them he a drunk Uncle.

The American media are saying that Trudeau and Canada are the bully, today. America doesn't want or need friends, allies, peaceful neighbours, apparently.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada...UNI?li=AAggNb9
 
Hoid
#14
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AncientMuse
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The American media are saying that Trudeau and Canada are the bully, today. America doesn't want or need friends, allies, peaceful neighbours, apparently.

Only if you're watching Fox news.

Every other news organization in the US and around the world are saying the exact opposite.

We all know who the true petulant and childish little bully in the sandbox is...
 
Hoid
#16
which is why Trump has declared war on the media

because, like Walter says, I guess he never read the constitution.
 
pgs
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by AncientMuse View Post

Only if you're watching Fox news.

Every other news organization in the US and around the world are saying the exact opposite.

We all know who the true petulant and childish little bully in the sandbox is...

Trudeau ?
 
Curious Cdn
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Trudeau ?

"Canadians are polite but will not be pushed around."

... that bastard! ... that bullying bastard!

G7 summit: 'Canadians polite, but will not be pushed around,' Trudeau says
 
White_Unifier
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

YOU have literally no understanding of economics.

So if you have an undersatanding of economics, you should understand how unilateral free trade has affected Hong Kong, Singapore, and New Zealand. Can you explain it?

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

So, three nations out of 200? Canada is right next door to one of the biggest trade whiners in the world. What do you think of the chances the US will play fair, especially considering that it never has?

And at least two of those three (and maybe even the third) are wealthier than Canada on a per capita basis. So, which should we emulate? The three or the rest?

As for the US, it may or may not reciprocate. Unilateral free trade on Canada's part would increase the probability of reciprocity in whole or in part on the US' part. Even if it doesn't reciprocate, then let it hurt its own consumers. Once US consumers see how much Canadian consumers pay, they too would soon be pressuring their own government to reciprocate to lower their own costs.

Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Trump is implying that the Canadian milk market is something that has been taken from those American farmers in Wisconsin ... that they have a right to it and that we have somehow stolen it away from the rightful American owners.

It never was their market. They have never had access to it and therefore, how can we suddenly be responsible for American dairy farmers doing themselves in? Truth is, our supply management system has prevented the very hardships that the American farmers are experiencing and that the root if the problem is a basic inability of the Americans to care for each other's welfare (see: selective US health care).

By the way, if you think that commie Canada is the bad guy, check out how Uncle Sam subsidizes and protects their corn crops. Let's see the Yanks drop THOSE in exchange for our dairy market. That will never happen. The corn lobby is like the health care lobby, tobacco lobby, armaments lobbies ... more powerful than the US government.

http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?f...&progcode=corn

Canadian protectionism hurts Canadian consumers.

The POTUS, too stupid to understand this, has decided to hurt US consumers in retaliation and US consumers, too stupid to understand this, applaud him.
 
Hoid
#20
1. None of those places has unilateral free trade.

2. None of those places is Canada with Canada's economic situation.

3 we cannot destroy our economy on a whim. We leave that up to the UK.
 
White_Unifier
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Trump raises tariffs one day and demands you drop them the next.

He is a fake president. Does not know what he needs to know and does not care.

All he needs to do is make abortion illegal and drop environmental laws and his hideous base will be happy

Just because Trump likes to hurt US consumers doesn't mean we need to follow in his footsteps.
 
Hoid
#22
You are not equipped to argue about economics.
 
White_Unifier
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

1. None of those places has unilateral free trade.

2. None of those places is Canada with Canada's economic situation.

3 we cannot destroy our economy on a whim. We leave that up to the UK.

Look it up. When they negotiate trade deals, they're essentially just asking the other state to reciprocate and then leaving it up to it to decide. In the end, tariffs hurt the tariffing country too. Why shoot ourselves in the foot just because the US does so?

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

You are not equipped to argue about economics.

Read up on relative advantage. Even if the US tariffed the hell out of Canada and Canada unilaterally dropped all trade carriers, the market would still adapt with Canadian producers focusing on their relative advantage. It's a basic law of economics.

I'm not saying the transition would be painless, but we would come out the other end economically more efficient.
 
Hoid
#24
We have tariffs and restrictions and protections for a reason.

please read about this somewhere
 
White_Unifier
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

We have tariffs and restrictions and protections for a reason.

please read about this somewhere

To protect inefficient industries at consumers' expense.

Again, how is it that Hong Kong, Singapore, and Bed Zealand have succeeded with less access to resources than Canada does?
 
Hoid
#26
Iceland has also succeeded.

why not be like them?
 
White_Unifier
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

btw on dairyIf we drop dairy subsidies and protections US factory farms will simply flood Canada with cheap milk destroying a 200 year old dairy farming culture.

There is no doubt about what will happen and anyone who advocates for doing it is an idiot.


ON the dairy issue if you were to look into this you find out that US dairy farms produce way more milk than do Canadian dairy farms because their regulations regarding how much milk you can chemically induce a cow to make are far more liberal than Canada's.
The downside is that US stock does make make for good breeding and that is why just about 100% of all dairy breeding stock is Canadian.

SO the destruction of Canadian dairy would in fact threaten American dairy.

But that is just one of those small little facts that you have to understand prior to deciding about things like tariffs.

Unlike being a white nationalist climate change denier which you can be just by closing your eyes and wishing.

Don't confuse free trade with regulation. Free trade does not mean US producers could ignore Canadian regulations and so their milk would need to still meet the same stabdard as Canadian milk.

As for US subsidies, they don't come out of thin air. They come at the expense of other US industries paying the taxes to subsidize it. Besides, milk is high in cholesterol. If the US taxpayer wants to subsidize the milk Canadians consume, thank them. As per the law of comparative advantage, Canada would just shift to products we can produce more efficiently.

If you look at Canada's climate, the US clearly has an advantage in most produce. Let them do what they do best and us do what we do best. Basic economics.
 
Hoid
#28
I have to ig you.


you taxslave level of stupidity is beyond all hope.
 
White_Unifier
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I have to ig you.


you taxslave level of stupidity is beyond all hope.

Ask an economist.
 
Bar Sinister
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The American media are saying that Trudeau and Canada are the bully, today. America doesn't want or need friends, allies, peaceful neighbours, apparently.

Trump adviser accuses Trudeau of betrayal


Reporting assholes in the Trump administration calling Canada a bully is not the same as the media saying it. Most members of the US media seem to think that Trump's management of foreign policy has been disastrous. But you are right about the ally bit. The next time the US gets itself into some ridiculous foreign entanglement I doubt that it will get much outside support.

Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post



And at least two of those three (and maybe even the third) are wealthier than Canada on a per capita basis. So, which should we emulate? The three or the rest?


Given that Hong Kong and Singapore don't resemble Canada geographically or demographically in any way they might not be as wealthy as you think. Both Hong Kong and Singapore lack open space and are incredibly expensive to live in. And BTW Hong Kong is part of China.