Lamborghini thinks Tesla is bluffing with the Roadster, doesn’t see battery tech


petros
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Electric supercars, or hypercars due to their efficiency aspect, are becoming more common thanks to startups like Nio and Rimac.

Tesla now wants to take it to a new level with the next-gen Roadster and remove the halo effect of internal combustion engines.

However, Lamborghini, which is often the first brand that people think of when talking about supercars, doesn’t think that it’s going to happen as it doesn’t see battery technology enabling the kind of performance that they expect in a supercar.

Lamborghini Chief Technical Officer Maurizio Reggiani made the comment during the Automotive News Europe Congress earlier this month when asked about the automaker coming up with an all-electric vehicle:

He said:

Our target is to deliver a super sports car, and these specifications don’t exist with a battery package in terms of energy and power,

What constitutes a supercar varies based on who you ask, but Reggiani added that these specifications would be a speed of “more than 300 km/h (186 mph)” and “being able to complete 3 laps on the Nürburgring racetrack.”

For now, Lamborghini plans to stick to its plan to launch an electric plug-in hybrid version of its Urus SUV concept.

When it comes to all-electric vehicles, the automaker unveiled an insane-looking electric supercar concept with supercapacitors – pictured above, but it’s more a mascot for their research partnership with the Massachusetts Institute of Technology than anything else.

Though it might lead to them changing their minds on all-electric powertrains eventually.

Electrek’s Take

It’s surprising that the CTO of Lamborghini can’t see the trend in EVs taking over the performance segments when he works for a Volkswagen brand, which is not only pushing hard for EVs but also just broke the Pikes Peak record with an all-electric vehicle.

As for the specs that he mentioned, Tesla’s next-gen Roadster will definitely beat them to remove the halo effect as already mentioned.

But there are plenty of other cars already starting to erode the effect.

For example, NIO’s supercar has a top speed of 194 mph and it held its own on the Nürburgring racetrack.

Rimac’s Concept_One has been doing impressive things with an all-electric powertrain for years and now the recently unveiled Concept_Two is going to beat Reggiani’s standards.

I think Lamborghini will be far behind if it doesn’t start seriously working on an all-electric supercar program right now.
 
Jinentonix
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All I have to do is look at Formula E racing. Their races are rarely longer than 100 miles and yet they need two cars to finish the race.

However, Norway IS investigating technology that could very well make EVs far superior to the ICE. They are putting rails in a section of highway that are 50 meters long, with breaks in between each segment. The "rails" are embedded in the road and apparently charge an EV's battery as it drives over the rail. This would seriously reduce or eliminate fuel stops for long distance trips. And being a Nordic nation, you know they'll be making sure the tech works in the freeze-thaw cycle so familiar to us.

If this turns out to be a viable idea, I can see the ICE powered vehicle disappearing rather quickly. But then again, you better make damn sure your electrical supply is secure and in top-top working condition all the time. I can imagine a 2-3 day power outage and the highways crammed with stranded vehicles and spoiled goods.
 
bill barilko
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Speaking of Lambos their Vancouver dealership is a block from where I live-just on the other side of Burrard.

It's a sad place-all that money flying around for incredible machines that will never be tested anywhere-not only are the drivers certified cucks of the most limp wristed variety this place lacks decent roads-too many twists & turns/sharp braking needed to even get to 150 kph I'd go nuts trying to drive one around here.
 
petros
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Somebody crash and burned their Diablo. The carcass is at the auto auction in Richmond.

What a mess.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilko View Post

Speaking of Lambos their Vancouver dealership is a block from where I live-just on the other side of Burrard.

It's a sad place-all that money flying around for incredible machines that will never be tested anywhere-not only are the drivers certified cucks of the most limp wristed variety this place lacks decent roads-too many twists & turns/sharp braking needed to even get to 150 kph I'd go nuts trying to drive one around here.

There's only one way you can know they're cucks. Have you been spreading your wild oats with other men's wives? What does that say about your character?
 
bill barilko
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Somebody crash and burned their Diablo. The carcass is at the auto auction in Richmond.What a mess.

Becoming more & more common they just can't handle all that power in such a short time-there are courses a person could take but first they'd need to understand a course is necessary.
 
petros
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There was a lime green lamborghini running around 2 years ago with an N magnet.
 
Decapoda
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

All I have to do is look at Formula E racing. Their races are rarely longer than 100 miles and yet they need two cars to finish the race.

However, Norway IS investigating technology that could very well make EVs far superior to the ICE. They are putting rails in a section of highway that are 50 meters long, with breaks in between each segment. The "rails" are embedded in the road and apparently charge an EV's battery as it drives over the rail. This would seriously reduce or eliminate fuel stops for long distance trips. And being a Nordic nation, you know they'll be making sure the tech works in the freeze-thaw cycle so familiar to us.

If this turns out to be a viable idea, I can see the ICE powered vehicle disappearing rather quickly. But then again, you better make damn sure your electrical supply is secure and in top-top working condition all the time. I can imagine a 2-3 day power outage and the highways crammed with stranded vehicles and spoiled goods.

They're going to need about 10,000 miles of that recharging rail for Saskatchewan's gravel roads alone, not sure how seasonal grading is going to work. Could be a challenge, the province can't even afford to fill the potholes in the spring, let alone install and maintain new high-tech charging rail.

It seems these new tech ideas like autonomous vehicles and integrated charge systems for EV's similar in utility and practicality to trains, very efficient and practical where specialized infrastructure has been installed, but of limited to no practicality in most average locations. I think the ICE is going to be around for a long time yet, barring any new innovative fuel source that may be found that actually challenges fossil fuels in efficiency and economy.
 
Bar Sinister
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Maybe Lamborghini doesn't know about these. It should, the Rimac beat the pants off it in a race on the Grand Tour motor program.



9 Electric Supercars Racing To Be The Best




https://cleantechnica.com/2017/10/02...s-racing-best/
 
Twin_Moose
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Can they compete in a Formula 1 or Stock car race like the Indy 500
 
Hoid
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They're mad because Tesla destroyed them on the track.
Last edited by Hoid; Jun 26th, 2018 at 11:00 AM..
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Maybe Lamborghini doesn't know about these. It should, the Rimac beat the pants off it in a race on the Grand Tour motor program.



9 Electric Supercars Racing To Be The Best




https://cleantechnica.com/2017/10/02...s-racing-best/

There is a absolutely massive reason why they don't know about them.

They don't exist.

Read what you link as fact sometime.

Quote:

Concept cars, especially supercar concepts, are more for looking at than actually driving — made to spark discussion, rather than reach any destination.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

They're mad because Tesla destroyed them on the track.

Destroyed who, where and with what? A concept?
 
Bar Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

There is a absolutely massive reason why they don't know about them.

They don't exist.

Read what you link as fact sometime.





Destroyed who, where and with what? A concept?


Let's try to understand technological progress. The model T, the electric light, and even the internal combustion engine started out as concepts. Every new invention does. Electric cars are not going to go away just because you don't like them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Can they compete in a Formula 1 or Stock car race like the Indy 500


The last time a radically different type of engine beat the pants off conventional engines so many restrictions were placed on it that they became useless. It is only a matter of time until electrically powered vehicles can outdo most internal combustion engines. I suspect when that happens sports like Formula 1 and stock car racing will ban them.
 
bill barilko
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

The last time a radically different type of engine beat the pants off conventional engines so many restrictions were placed on it that they became useless.

Would you care to share your knowledge of this revolutionary machine with us?

Does it have a name?
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

It is only a matter of time until electrically powered vehicles can outdo most internal combustion engines.

That may happen but since there's no timeline it's of little interest to anyone-except investors many of whom started out in oil.
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

I suspect when that happens sports like Formula 1 and stock car racing will ban them.

I don't suspect I know you're FOFS.
 
Bar Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilko View Post

Would you care to share your knowledge of this revolutionary machine with us?

Does it have a name?

That may happen but since there's no timeline it's of little interest to anyone-except investors many of whom started out in oil.

I don't suspect I know you're FOFS.




Look up turbine engine Indianapolis 500. Your second statement makes no sense and your third indicates you are a another angry electric car denier. Too bad. You're going to be disappointed.
 
Danbones
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Friends of Figure Skating?

We got them in electric now too?
 
petros
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In 1974 Sky Lab was this first step to villages on the moon by 1990.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Look up turbine engine Indianapolis 500. Your second statement makes no sense and your third indicates you are a another angry electric car denier. Too bad. You're going to be disappointed.

Turbines are electric motors?
 
Twin_Moose
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Let's try to understand technological progress. The model T, the electric light, and even the internal combustion engine started out as concepts. Every new invention does. Electric cars are not going to go away just because you don't like them.




The last time a radically different type of engine beat the pants off conventional engines so many restrictions were placed on it that they became useless. It is only a matter of time until electrically powered vehicles can outdo most internal combustion engines. I suspect when that happens sports like Formula 1 and stock car racing will ban them.

IDK if they get banned it would prove they can go the distance and if they can be competitive I would look at them in a different light, not as a gimmick and a joke.
 
Hoid
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the last time something like this happened was in the 1930s when diesel electric engines began displacing steam engines because of the higher efficiencies.(this would be trains)

Steam was around into the 1960s, but the evolution was inevitable just as displacement of the internal combustion engine is inevitable
 
bill barilko
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turbine engine Indianapolis 500


Apparently someone managed to fit a small airplane gasoline engine into a race car but it never performed properly and ended up in the Smithsonian.
 
petros
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There have been oodles of variations but at Indy it's open. You could have 30,000 rats on a treadmill.

NASCAR is a complete and total differ set of rules.

You or I have to be able to buy what they run.

$10KUSD for an engine but they are available.

When an electric wins Daytona then I'll I'll be the first guy to buy one.
 
Bar Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

In 1974 Sky Lab was this first step to villages on the moon by 1990.



Turbines are electric motors?






Mr. Barilko did not ask that. He asked what engine was handicapped after it was shown to be superior to conventional engines. Get in the loop before you post.

Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

IDK if they get banned it would prove they can go the distance and if they can be competitive I would look at them in a different light, not as a gimmick and a joke.


There is no problem checking the facts of my post. Although mechanical problems sidelined the turbine car in the Indie 500 it was running away with the race at the time. Sponsors of the race did not like the idea of a new type of engine making conventional engines look ridiculous and regulations were passed that handicapped the air intake of the turbine, essentially making it non-competitive.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post







When an electric wins Daytona then I'll I'll be the first guy to buy one.


As I said, I doubt that the race organizers would let in an electric car. The Daytona is heavily sponsored by oil companies.
 
Hoid
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Bill Nye wrote a widely read piece urging NASCAR to go all electric and help push the technology.

There is no way NASCAR will ever do that. As in all things NASCAR will have to be dragged into the future.

As you mentioned they are an oil and gas sponsored industry.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Let's try to understand technological progress. The model T, the electric light, and even the internal combustion engine started out as concepts. Every new invention does. Electric cars are not going to go away just because you don't like them.




The last time a radically different type of engine beat the pants off conventional engines so many restrictions were placed on it that they became useless. It is only a matter of time until electrically powered vehicles can outdo most internal combustion engines. I suspect when that happens sports like Formula 1 and stock car racing will ban them.

Stands to reason. After all it is a car race, not a sewing machine race.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Bill Nye wrote a widely read piece urging NASCAR to go all electric and help push the technology.

There is no way NASCAR will ever do that. As in all things NASCAR will have to be dragged into the future.

As you mentioned they are an oil and gas sponsored industry.

That's because it is all about pistons, not cordless sewing machines.
 
bill barilko
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Part of a long article on electric race car winning over internal combustion-Click Here for the complete story



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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.—All it took was two visits to the annual Pikes Peak International Hill Climb for it to steal our hearts. The second-oldest motor race in the United States—only the Indy 500 predates it—is unlike virtually every other professional motorsports event we cover. And this year's edition proved to be novel in its own right.

Last weekend, we were on hand to witness French racing driver Romain Dumas and car maker Volkswagen stamp their authority on all 12.4-miles (19.99km) of the course, destroying its existing record and setting the first sub-eight minute time in race history. What makes the feat even more interesting around Ars is that the car in the record books is all-electric, marking perhaps the first time in major motorsport that a battery electric vehicle has beaten the internal combustion engine fair and square.

FURTHER READING
Racing with royalty—Behind the scenes with Pikes Peak’s “King of the Mountain”
In retrospect, if any car has an advantage at Pikes Peak it's the EV. The start line is already at 9,390 feet (2,862m) above sea level; the finish line is an even higher 14,110 feet (4,300m), and much of the course is above the tree line, where there's 40 percent less oxygen to breathe. Consequently, internal combustion engines will lose power—significantly—as they climb the route, even with the aid of forced induction or crafty fuel mixtures.

But electric motors don't care about partial pressures of oxygen, and these will output the same power and torque whether they're at the top of the mountain or the bottom. And with only one run per car allowed on race day, there's little reason to be anxious about range. Carry just enough battery to get you to the top, keep it in its optimum temperature window, et voila. It could result in history.