Can deism have scientific background ?


socratus
#1
Can deism have scientific background ?
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Deism is a theological theory concerning the relationship between
a Creator and the natural world.
To have relationship with the natural world the Creator or Creators
need to have concrete physical parameters.
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Can deism have scientific background ?
Can God or Gods have physical and mathematical qualities ?
My answer is ''yes'' .
Why?
Because if we don't know what light is, if we don't know what electron is,
if we don't know what quantum particles are and what vacuum is -
then fundamental physics opening the door to deism.
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a) '' All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?'
Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it,
but he is mistaken '‘ / Einstein /
b) 'It is important to realize that in physics today, we have
no knowledge of what energy is. We do not have a picture that
energy comes in little blobs of a definite amount. It is not that way.''*
/* Richard Feynman about an electron /
c)* ” The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion,
* is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can’t correctly
describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct
description of something more complex? “** / Paul Dirac ./
d) '' Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be
regarded as real.'' / Niels Bohr about quantum particles./
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OmegaOm
#2
You can not comprehend a creator if you do not at least understand reality first.
 
darkbeaver
#3
I believe that some scientists are determined to discover the complete explanation of the universe/creation and every particle/force within. In my estimation they have a big problem. They have no frame of reference exterior to that universe and cannot obtain any, end of experiment. OO mentioned understanding reality, the next hour of reality will always not exist, and the last hour of reality can never exist again. So is there anything left to study? Yes, yourself, and the old thinking practices reccomend exactly that, look within, we are in the middle of the infinite universe and there is no changing that whatever.
 
Cliffy
#4
In a holographic Universe, everything is a projected simulation. The Universe doesn't exist without an observer. Who is the observer? Who is observing the observer. A Quantum conundrum.
 
darkbeaver
#5
Quote:

Deism is a philosophical position that posits that God does not interfere directly with the world; conversely it can also be stated as a system of belief which posits God's existence as the cause of all things, and admits His perfection but rejects Divine revelation or direct intervention of God in the universe by miracles.

God is the universe and there is nothing in the universe that God does not create and own and command, so science is the study of God and that is the everlasting irrefutable law.

That should be very easy to accept and live with. I expect there aren,t too many organizms struggling with the meanings of God and Science, they are occupied with the prime directive of the dayly bread requirments which is the only thing that can set them free again.
 
socratus
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by OmegaOm View Post

You can not comprehend a creator if you do not at least understand reality first.


Yeah, there are some (a few) people who try to understand reality and
they involve creator in this process.
a)
Does Quantum Physics Make it Easier to Believe in God?
https://www.bigquestionsonline.com/cont ... elieve-god
b)
Does Quantum Physics Prove God's Existence?
http://physics.about.com/od/physicsm...QuantumGod.htm
c)
Does quantum theory prove God exists?
Curious about atheism? - Ask the atheists ... od-exists/
d)
. . . . etc
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Tecumsehsbones
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by socratus View Post

Can deism have scientific background ?

Sure. Right after somebody provides the first shred of evidence of the existence of Gawd.
 
petros
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by socratus View Post

Yeah, there are some (a few) people who try to understand reality and
they involve creator in this process.
a)
Does Quantum Physics Make it Easier to Believe in God?
https://www.bigquestionsonline.com/cont ... elieve-god
b)
Does Quantum Physics Prove God's Existence?
http://physics.about.com/od/physicsm...QuantumGod.htm
c)
Does quantum theory prove God exists?
Curious about atheism? - Ask the atheists ... od-exists/
d)
. . . . etc
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Quantum Physics requires an observer.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Quantum Physics requires an observer.

I'd like a Heisenberger with cheese, onions, and pickles, and a side of fries.
 
socratus
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Quantum Physics requires an observer.

it seems that an observer in QP is in difficult position
because when he observes quantum particle at time t
then he cannot know it energy E . . . (Et > h*) and
when the he observes position of particle x then
he doesn't know particle's momentum p . . . . (xp > h*)

According to Heisenberg uncertainty principle
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petros
#11
It's a squabble between trying to tie an Eastern spiritual philosophy or a Western spiritual philosophy and this is why quantum physics is jaded.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It's a squabble between trying to tie an Eastern spiritual philosophy or a Western spiritual philosophy and this is why quantum physics is jaded.

Are you certain of that, Mr. Heisenberg?
 
petros
#13
Nothing is certain.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Nothing is certain.

Except death, taxes, and Trump and Trudeau making us cringe at least once a week.
 
petros
#15
I'll agree to that.
 
socratus
#16
Question.
Why are we so continuously relinquishing to consider that both the
existence and the nonexistence of God are definitely non-provable?

Answer.
Because our brain works on two levels:
a) conscious - god doesn't exist
b) subconscious - god does exist
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socratus
#17
a) The conscious mind is just as the " tip of the iceberg "* . . .
. . . . the visible 10 percent* your Conscious Mind,
and the hidden 90 percent your Subconscious Mind.

b) The Universe as whole is: matter and dark matter/energy.
visible 7% matter of Universe is just as* the " tip of the iceberg "
and the unseen* 93% of dark matter/energy is* hidden ''under water''.

Conclusion.
Hidden dark matter/energy dominates in the Universe but we don't know
how 93% dark matter/energy can create 7% visible matter.

Hidden 90% subconscious Mind must dominate in the Brain
but we don't see this situation.

We don't know interaction between visual matter and hidden dart matter/energy.
We don't know interaction between subconsciousness and consciousness.

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