Indian god statue at Calgary zoo offends Christian group


SirJosephPorter
#1
Well, the religious right is at it again. Apparently, there is a statue of Hindu God Ganesh at Calgary Zoo. The statue has been there for two years, it didn’t bother anybody. But now a small religious right group, Concerned Christians Canada (it wouldn't surprise me if it is an offshoot of some American group)has taken offense at it.

Indian god statue at Calgary zoo offends Christian group

The group sent a letter to the zoo earlier this week, calling the statue an image of a Hindu god that has no place in the publicly funded zoo.

Zoo officials say they have no plans to replace the Ganesh statue - despite calls for its removal from Concerned Christians Canada.

The issue first arose after the Concerned Christian group was approached by some zoo visitors upset over the elephant statue.


Grahame Newton, the zoo's director of corporate services, says the Ganesh statue isn't a religious icon, rather a cultural symbol that shows the tie between the elephants and Asian culture.

Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with the statue; it is a colorful, interesting statue. But if CCC is that much concerned about it, let them go to the courts and let the courts settle the issue.






 
lone wolf
#2
Do you defend those people who claim "Merry Christmas" is offensive?
 
Spade
#3
If someone yelled "Merry Xmas" at me tonight, I'd bop 'im!
 
lone wolf
#4
Me too.... I'm nowhere near done with the shopping....
 
talloola
#5
That is a very ugly statue. I would remove it too, can't imagine that thing in a
zoo.
Lets see, where would I put it, maybe the circus? then figure out how to 'rig' up
a woman to play the role, and charge people to come in and see her, suck everyone in, they would come in droves.

However, my reasons would have nothing to do with christians.
 
lone wolf
#6
Maybe it's the swastika at its feet?
 
talloola
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Maybe it's the swastika at its feet?

Yeah, that's an interesting little addition, hmmm, should get rid of that,
doesn't matter where statue goes, or not, what is the statement with the
swastika, how does that tie in to the statue, and who is responsible for it.
 
karrie
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by talloola View Post

Yeah, that's an interesting little addition, hmmm, should get rid of that,
doesn't matter where statue goes, or not, what is the statement with the
swastika, how does that tie in to the statue, and who is responsible for it.

that symbol was used in other cultures long before the Nazis used it. I don't think a religion should have to give up its iconography because of misappropriation by someone else.

a little history on it... http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduis...s/swastika.htm
 
karrie
#9
In my view... there is a very real cultural tie in, between this religious symbol, and the exhibit at the zoo. I think it's ridiculous to expect it removed. BUT... I can see why it would tick off people who, more and more, face the abject expulsion of any Christian cultural symbol from anything publicly funded.
 
Goober
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

Well, the religious right is at it again. Apparently, there is a statue of Hindu God Ganesh at Calgary Zoo. The statue has been there for two years, it didnít bother anybody. But now a small religious right group, Concerned Christians Canada (it wouldn't surprise me if it is an offshoot of some American group)has taken offense at it.

Indian god statue at Calgary zoo offends Christian group

The group sent a letter to the zoo earlier this week, calling the statue an image of a Hindu god that has no place in the publicly funded zoo.

Zoo officials say they have no plans to replace the Ganesh statue - despite calls for its removal from Concerned Christians Canada.

The issue first arose after the Concerned Christian group was approached by some zoo visitors upset over the elephant statue.


Grahame Newton, the zoo's director of corporate services, says the Ganesh statue isn't a religious icon, rather a cultural symbol that shows the tie between the elephants and Asian culture.

Personally, I donít see anything wrong with the statue; it is a colorful, interesting statue. But if CCC is that much concerned about it, let them go to the courts and let the courts settle the issue.







SJP

Did you read the full article?

The artist who created the statue was also asked to strip certain religious symbols associated with the god, he added.
Newton called the Concerned Christians' approach ``the views of a very small minority.
``We don't cater to any particular religion.''

So with the icons removed it does not depict the God - Stirring up shiite again are we - Wish you despised repeat violent criminals as much as you despise Christians.
Last edited by Goober; Sep 28th, 2009 at 07:07 PM..
 
lone wolf
#11
I wonder what happened to all those cool Elmer statues?
 
Tonington
#12
Here is the statue in question:



I can see the CCC point though. If we're going to purge all religious symbols from public spaces, then other religious symbols are fair game. I'm not a religious follower, but I do resent some of the symbols of Christmas being removed from public spaces. I don't need to believe in Christ to appreciate the message of the Christmas season, or the cultural evolution of our society. They're just as cultural to me I'm sure as Ganesh is to a person similar to me in the land of Shiva and Parvati.
 
Cliffy
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington View Post

Here is the statue in question:


Looks like a disco version of Ganesh. Other than the garb, it doesn't resemble a religious icon at all. Some people like to get their panties in a knot just because they like their genitals squeezed.
 
karrie
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Other than the garb, it doesn't resemble a religious icon at all.

Totally... aside from being a statue of Ganesh, it's hardly a statue of Ganesh. lol.
 
lone wolf
#15
Put a little sailor hat on it and it can be the safety rules gone Saturday Night Fever
 
Cliffy
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

Totally... aside from being a statue of Ganesh, it's hardly a statue of Ganesh. lol.

Not only are the religious icons removed, so were two of his/her arms. If it was a religious icon, I would think Hindus would be up in arms about the amputation.
 
karrie
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Not only are the religious icons removed, so were two of his/her arms. If it was a religious icon, I would think Hindus would be up in arms about the amputation.

lol. I'm sure if I petitioned to have an 'artistic rendering of a manger scene' set up at city hall, with armless pottery pillars to represent the participants, it would be seen as 'religious' regardless of the minor changes.
 
TenPenny
#18
There are always people eager to be offended by stuff, and there are likewise lots of people eager to be outraged by some group that is offended, and ready to post some indignant blather on the net.

We'd all be far better off if we all ignored this crap.
 
Colpy
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

There are always people eager to be offended by stuff, and there are likewise lots of people eager to be outraged by some group that is offended, and ready to post some indignant blather on the net.

We'd all be far better off if we all ignored this crap.

BINGO!!!!!

Two points for the sensible guy from Saint John.......seems to be a lot of that around here.....
 
Sparrow
#20
If those christians were secure in their faith they would have no objection. Either that or they don't have anything better to do with their lives than look for symbols to complain about. They would be better off going after other religious symbols or beliefs contrary to our way of life.

Also the ancient swastika symbolizes LIGHT, LOVE AND LIFE.
swastika as love symbol - Bing
 
Goober
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Sparrow View Post

If those christians were secure in their faith they would have no objection. Either that or they don't have anything better to do with their lives than look for symbols to complain about. They would be better off going after other religious symbols or beliefs contrary to our way of life.

Also the ancient swastika symbolizes LIGHT, LOVE AND LIFE.
swastika as love symbol - Bing

Sparrow - In my opinion you lack credibility - You made statements on the Islam - Enemy within thread that so far you have filed to answer - the question was not difficult - name the Institution you were referring to - or was it typical anti Islam BS - so answer or admit you were in error.
 
Ron in Regina
#22
Goober, I don't see anything in THIS Thread about Islam...etc....
Lets keep the contents of each Thread in their own Threads....

As far as the Swastika symbolizing Light, Love, & Life in some Asian cultures,
Here's one of 273,000 sources: swastika as love symbol - Bing
 
L Gilbert
#23
I saw a cross on top of a building the other day. It's right out there in plain sight and visible from blocks and blocks away. That's offensive. It should be taken down.
If they don't like the statue, someone should tell the morons they aren't being forced to look at it. So much for tolerance in a MULTICULTURAL country.
 
karrie
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

I saw a cross on top of a building the other day. It's right out there in plain sight and visible from blocks and blocks away. That's offensive. It should be taken down.
If they don't like the statue, someone should tell the morons they aren't being forced to look at it. So much for tolerance in a MULTICULTURAL country.

Funny, I could swear up and down I've seen you post in the past about government or publicly funded offices, etc., having a responsibility to remain secular and not express religion in any manner.
 
L Gilbert
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

Funny, I could swear up and down I've seen you post in the past about government or publicly funded offices, etc., having a responsibility to remain secular and not express religion in any manner.

Funny, I could have swore I read someone mention that all the religious symbols had been taken off the statue. That makes it a plain ol statue representing something Indian.
Besides, I might have been cranky about something some religious fanatic said. And I am getting more mellow in my older years anyway. On top of that, if a gov't claims to be secular, it should be secular.
Last edited by L Gilbert; Sep 29th, 2009 at 12:48 AM..
 
karrie
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Funny, I could have swore I read someone mention that all the religious symbols had been taken of the statue.

yep... they sure made Ganesh non-religious. lol.

Like I said, I don't care and I think their complaint is trolling, but don't compare apples to oranges. There's either one set of rules for public funding, or there isn't
 
L Gilbert
#27
huh?
 
karrie
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

huh?

well you complared their complaints about religious symbols in a publicly funded venue, to seeing a cross on a church... apples to oranges (I'm assuming that's where I lost you?). One is publicly funded, like a government office, one isn't. I can see why they are picking a fight, because there is either one set of rules regarding religion and public funds, or there are simply certain religions that are singled out.

Still a bit of trolling on their part, but, at the same time, not one to be dismissed with flawed arguments imo.
 
L Gilbert
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

well you complared their complaints about religious symbols in a publicly funded venue, to seeing a cross on a church... apples to oranges (I'm assuming that's where I lost you?). One is publicly funded, like a government office, one isn't. I can see why they are picking a fight, because there is either one set of rules regarding religion and public funds, or there are simply certain religions that are singled out.

Still a bit of trolling on their part, but, at the same time, not one to be dismissed with flawed arguments imo.

oohhh Did I mention the cross was on a church? Town near here called Nelson that has a lot of heritage buildings that get both private and gov't funding. One of the churches is such a building.
 
L Gilbert
#30
It doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. Wifey even mentioned I seem to be a little more laid back these days. I guess it's a change. lol
 

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