Quote: Originally Posted by mayety
With Obama and his string pullers, it appears that America has become/is becoming a fascist state.
The lowly Americans no longer have a say, and their votes don't count---it's all fixed by the Illuminati!
I think a number of presidents before Obama got that ball rolling a long time ago......
But back on topic a bit, regardless if this clown said what he said back in 2001 or this year, what was said was said, it apparently was a big enough deal to be translated in multiple languages and sent across the internet...... while some may want to trivialize these comments and excuse them, many others do not.
And the argument of "Oh well he said that so long ago..... his current position is much different" does not excuse what he said and claimed..... we're not talking about holding against what a teenager said when he was 7 years old..... we're talking about a grown adult and what he said as a full grown adult a few years ago.
To suggest that in such a short period of time his position went in a 180 degree turn without reason and that we're all supposed to just believe that, is a tad foolish.
Actually for some reason I think I remember posting or reporting these comments a while back (or similar comments from another leader in Israel) it all just proves the common belief by many......
.... that Israel is like a teenage minor..... they know the legal loopholes and they know how to work the system in their favor to get away with bloody murder (ie: the US is a pushover for them and will back just about everything they do where even their worst actions will be forgotten about in a couple of years vs. a minor who knows they can not face a serious punishment for a crime they committed and in a year or two, their criminal records are wiped clean so they can apparently get a "Fair" start in life.)
The other belief is that they have no interest in talking peace in any serious manner and have no intention on ending this conflict until they own all the land around them and they wipe out the scum occupying their self-proclaimed "Homeland."
And regardless if this was said almost a decade ago by one person in Israel..... believe it or not, but the majority of those running the Israeli government have very similar frames of mind.
Some in here claim that the Palestinians have no other interest then to kill every Israeli and for them all to leave the area...... that's your typical biased propaganda to generalize the overall situation, while still pampering and kissing Israeli ass.
What do Palestinians want?
'Most Palestinians want ceasefire'
'Most Palestinians want ceasefire'
Most Palestinians Want Peace With Israel, Poll Finds
^ all recent polls too.
The people want peaceful talks and a reasonable conclusion to this situation, they are not in favor of continued rocket attacks, but at the same time, in order for any peace talks to work in the first place, all they ask is a settlement development freeze during that time..... which to me sounds like a very reasonable and fair compromise, which Israel has continually refused to do and are still expanding their development, even though they know full well this one action of stalling development would allow peace talks to occur..... all the while they choke the life out of them with walls, naval blockades, cutting water, food and medical supplies, randomly air-striking "Suspected" smuggling tunnels or "Suspected" terrorists......
The Palestinians are continually beaten by Israel like a mangy old dog nobody cares about and then when they respond with force after years of in-action by everybody else around them and letting them continually suffer, suddenly the same Israeli apologist jump up and cry foul and make the Israelis as the victims again.
Just keep in mind that the last two big conflicts Israel has been involved in have all been started by Israeli actions, like air strikes or assassinations of Palestinian leaders..... then the Palestinians respond in the only manner they know how to and fire home made rockets that more often then not, hit absolutely nothing..... then Israel plasters it all over the news around the world "See, look.... they attacked us without reason.... poor poor us, we now have to unload all our military might onto them to set an example."
~ Which is followed by them using cluster bombs and white phosphorous ordinance on heavily civilian populated areas, using Palestinians as human shields..... deliberately attacking UN compounds to try and wipe out any credible witnesses to their actions the rest of the world might believe..... and then when they're finally found to have committed these crimes, they conduct their own investigations which seem to take years to complete which end up giving us all a report that they apparently did nothing wrong.
And then in a couple more years, they do it all over again to eventually wipe out the Palestinians altogether over a period of time.... since they killed a couple more thousand Palestinians in the last conflict, that means there's more available space they can take, thus they expand more of their settlements.
Hell even Iran's leaders have openly claimed they'd support a two-state solution and that if Israel stopped expansion on debatable territory, then peace talks between them and Palestine would progress...... everybody is saying what needs to be said..... everybody is willing to do what is asked of them, willing to meet the global demands asked of them..... but then when they meet those demands for an extended period of time, for some reason Israel stalls or out-right refuses to take advantage of the situation and continue to make the overall situation worse.
Then when everybody else get's frustrated again, the attacks follow..... then Israel plays the innocent buffoon again like they did nothing wrong.... blame it on everybody else..... goes on the war path again..... kills thousands more..... and then the whole process starts again.
So don't stand there and tell me Israel is perfectly innocent (not you mayety, just generally speaking) in this overall situation because it's a crock of sh*t and everybody damn well knows it.
I'm not saying it's all Israel's fault.... but they sure as hell have a big role in what's all going on and they sure as hell are not making things any better over there, nor do they have any intention of making things any better.
Last edited by Praxius; Jul 20th, 2010 at 07:43 AM..