Prime Minister Appoints 5 Senators


FiveParadox
Liberal
#1
Today The Right Honourable Stephen Harper P.C. , M.P. ( Calgary Southwest ), the Prime Minister , published the names of five candidates to be recommended for appointment to the Honourable the Senate of Canada . Once these senators-to-be are sworn in (the appointments themselves were made on the prime minister’s advice by Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean C.C. , C.M.M. , C.O.M. , C.D. , the Governor General ), the prime minister will have tipped the balance of power in the Upper House in the governing party’s favour.

Favourable Appointments

Amongst the prime minister’s five nominations is The Honourable Senator Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu ( La Salle ). Senator Boisvenu launched the Murdered or Missing Persons’ Families’ Association upon the murder of his own daughter, and has also led in the creation of a shelter for abused women and a camp for youth who are underprivileged. The honourable senator will be representing the La Salle region of Québec (Québec’s senators each represent a specific senatorial division, whereas all other senators represent the entire province).

Obviously Partisan Appointments

The Honourable Senator Robert Runciman ( Ontario ) was also appointed today; the honourable senator was a recent Leader of the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario . When Senator Runciman was a party leader, the honourable senator was recognised as a more right-wing conservative; he is noted for having suggested that there are some Black Canadians who make a living off of reverse racism, for improperly disclosing the names of young offenders contrary to Canadian law, and for having called The Honourable Belinda Stronach P.C. “an attractive ... dipstick”.

The Honourable Senator Elizabeth Marshall Q.C. ( Newfoundland and Labrador ) is another person appointed to the Senate today. Until this appointment, the honourable senator represented the Progressive Conservative Party of Newfoundland and Labrador as a member of the House of Assembly . Senator Marshall had been a minister under the leadership of The Honourable Danny Williams Q.C. , Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador , but stepped down from the executive when the premier insisted upon balancing the province’s budget.

Ms. Rose-May Poirier M.L.A. ( Rogersville—Kouchibouquac ), of the Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick , will be appointed to the Senate on 28 February. The honourable senator has served as a provincial minister for several years. Her appointment has been delayed until the end of February so that the Legislative Assembly doesn’t need to pay for a by-election before the next general election is scheduled.

‘Meh’ Appointments

The Honourable Senator Vim Kochhar ( Ontario ) was appointed today as an Ontario businessman.

Current Standings in the Senate
  • 50* seats for Her Majesty’s Government for Canada in the Senate
  • 49 seats for Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition in the Senate
  • 2 seats for the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada
  • 3 seats for honourable senators who are non-aligned
  • 1* seat that is vacant
    * On 28 February, the vacant seat becomes a Government seat
Source
  • Office of the Prime Minister homepage news release
 
TenPenny
#2
Thank you for your opinion on the value of the senators. I was curious who the appointment from NB would be, can't say I know enough about Ms Poirier to have any opinion on her.
 
countryboy
No Party Affiliation
#3
Good. Now we'll have a bit more common sense in the exhalted upper house. It's about time PM Harper did this...I was wondering what was taking him so long.

I think the terms "partisan" and "favourable" appointments are not necessary in the post. They're all perfectly legitimate appointments, done in accordance with the rules. Otherwise, the GG wouldn't have done her job. And she did, obviously.

Congratulations, Prime Minister Harper!
 
FiveParadox
Liberal
#4
They were legitimate and constitutional appointments, of course, at no point did I dispute this.

However, the prime minister has made a habit of making the most hyperpartisan appointments that we have ever seen to the Upper House, and he’s also made his current appointments (and the round before this) swear allegiance to his specific agenda. Basically, he’s made it so that his honourable senators are not free to make the best decisions for Canadians, but must at all times vote to defend the Conservative Party, else resign.
 
countryboy
No Party Affiliation
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox View Post

They were legitimate and constitutional appointments, of course, at no point did I dispute this.

However, the prime minister has made a habit of making the most hyperpartisan appointments that we have ever seen to the Upper House, and he’s also made his current appointments (and the round before this) swear allegiance to his specific agenda. Basically, he’s made it so that his honourable senators are not free to make the best decisions for Canadians, but must at all times vote to defend the Conservative Party, else resign.

I think he is implementing a very difficult strategy of moving toward a proposal for an elected Senate. He is a shrewd strategist - his skills on that are light years ahead of anything else I see in the Opposition parties at this point in time. I also think he is honing his skills, or perhaps shoring up his weaknesses in the people skills department too, but it's taking some time. Let's see what develops...if nothing else, it promises to be an interesting year. Or, maybe a few months.
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#6
the funny part is that a certain percentage of appointed senators are PC conservative that really don't care about the Reform wing of the Conservative party and the PMO will have a rude awakening when the House resumes in March
 
Mowich
Conservative
#7
Quote:

When Senator Runciman was a party leader, the honourable senator was recognised as a more right-wing conservative; he is noted for having suggested that there are some Black Canadians who make a living off of reverse racism, for improperly disclosing the names of young offenders contrary to Canadian law, and for having called The Honourable Belinda Stronach P.C. “an attractive ... dipstick”.

May not agree with Runciman on Black Canadians or disclosing young offender's names - though that law should be stricken from the books, but he is right on the money with his description of B.S.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

May not agree with Runciman on Black Canadians or disclosing young offender's names - though that law should be stricken from the books, but he is right on the money with his description of B.S.

Personally, I think he was wayyyy too kind in his description of Belinda......
 
Risus
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

May not agree with Runciman on Black Canadians or disclosing young offender's names - though that law should be stricken from the books, but he is right on the money with his description of B.S.

He was right on his opinion of black Canadians and young offenders.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#10
Big deal.... Next Lib in there will stack the deck with Liberals. Where is this elected Senate?
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#11
Politics in Canuckville is a joke. And Canadians bear the brunt of the joke.
I like Anna's idea of a senate: regular people appointed by regular people (no politicians need apply).
 
YukonJack
Conservative
#12
When, oh when will there be an honest person who - when appointed to the Senate by any Prime Minister of any stripe - will tell the Prime Minister: "Thank you, Sir, but no thanks. I prefer to EARN my keep, rather than get your dole for kissing your butt!"

The late Jean Bellivue came the closest to it.
 
Risus
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Politics in Canuckville is a joke. And Canadians bear the brunt of the joke.
I like Anna's idea of a senate: regular people appointed by regular people (no politicians need apply).

Hmmm, if members of this this forum are examples of 'regular people', the country would be in deep sh!t if that happened
 
TenPenny
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack View Post

When, oh when will there be an honest person who - when appointed to the Senate by any Prime Minister of any stripe - will tell the Prime Minister: "Thank you, Sir, but no thanks. I prefer to EARN my keep, rather than get your dole for kissing your butt!"

The late Jean Bellivue came the closest to it.

They don't get appointed to the Senate, because they turn it down.

Why do you think Senators don't do any work?
 
jjaycee98
Conservative
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox View Post

They were legitimate and constitutional appointments, of course, at no point did I dispute this.

However, the prime minister has made a habit of making the most hyperpartisan appointments that we have ever seen to the Upper House, and he’s also made his current appointments (and the round before this) swear allegiance to his specific agenda. Basically, he’s made it so that his honourable senators are not free to make the best decisions for Canadians, but must at all times vote to defend the Conservative Party, else resign.

You saw what had to be signed did you, and did it say they must vote with the PM? That would be called coersion, punishable by the Laws of Canada, I do believe. What they did have to sign (I have a personal Friend that was appointed in the last round) was that they would resign if it was ever made law, to elect Senators, and they would then be free to seek election.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Risus View Post

Hmmm, if members of this this forum are examples of 'regular people', the country would be in deep sh!t if that happened

You'd prefer politicians? That's what we have now and Canada is far from being what it could be as a result.
The Swiss have kept their hands on the power rather than relinquish it to political "representatives" and they have a better country in the political and economical sense than we have.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack View Post

When, oh when will there be an honest person who - when appointed to the Senate by any Prime Minister of any stripe - will tell the Prime Minister: "Thank you, Sir, but no thanks. I prefer to EARN my keep, rather than get your dole for kissing your butt!"

The late Jean Bellivue came the closest to it.

I wanna be a Senator! WAH!!!!!!
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

I wanna be a Senator! WAH!!!!!!

Yu ain't reglar, tho. I bet yor constimplated.
 
Cobalt_Kid
#19
hypocrisy thy name is Harper, wasn't this the same PM who's been saying all along he won't play the old game and appoint senators to sit in the upper house. Now he's going to try and use his position there to push through his agenda.

Just one more indication that expediency takes precedence over principle with Harper. But I guess that's stating the obvious.
 
Walter
#20
[quote=lone wolf;1211854]Big deal.... Next Lib in there will stack the deck with Liberals. Where is this elected Senate?[/quote]Now that the Cons have control of the upper house the elected senate will be along shortly.
 
TenPenny
#21
I don't know why anyone takes the claims of Senate reform seriously, it's like claims to remove the GST; they are transparent bs, and shouldn't fool anybody. I don't believe they actually do fool anyone, except a bizarre extreme minority (see above).
 
Walter
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

I don't know why anyone takes the claims of Senate reform seriously, it's like claims to remove the GST; they are transparent bs, and shouldn't fool anybody. I don't believe they actually do fool anyone, except a bizarre extreme minority (see above).

Removing the GST was a Liberal promise and it didn't happen; lowering the GST was a Conservative promise and it happened. See the difference?
 
TenPenny
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Removing the GST was a Liberal promise and it didn't happen; lowering the GST was a Conservative promise and it happened. See the difference?

Removing the gst was a liberal promise, and it didn't happen (and never was intended to); reforming the senate was a conservative promise, and it didn't happen (and never was intended to). See the difference?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#24
Actually yes I do.
Harper does not have the power in the house to make such changes.
Cretin did.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

Removing the gst was a liberal promise, and it didn't happen (and never was intended to); reforming the senate was a conservative promise, and it didn't happen (and never was intended to). See the difference?

Give it time. Senate reform is still high on the PM's agenda.....it was simply impossible without using his power to stack the Senate.........
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#26
Under the current situation Senate reform is unlikely for several reasons. The first is the fact that three provinces Ontario, Quebec, and Newfoundland have more than half the Senate seats between them. Convincing these provinces to relinquish their hold on the Senate is almost impossible.

The second is that that constitutional conferences have established the precedent that no change in the Canadian constitution can take place without general agreement by all of the provinces - or at least all of the provinces except Quebec.

Given these two obstacles and the fact that many premiers do not share identical views on Senate reform don't expect any real change. Especially now that Harper appears to have gone back on any idea of reform by using the established method of appointing Senators. It is hard to promote the idea of change when you have gone back on your own political philosophy.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#27
I guess he was attending to business while perogying...
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#28
Harper will not bring in senate reform because he controls the Senate.
The former Reform MPs said that they wanted to get rid of the golden pension but soon changed their minds when they were in a position of getting one.

If Prime Minister Harper goes for senate reform he might lose control of the Senate so this idea will be put on the back burner.

We just have to wait and see if the appointed Senators will be loyal to the PMO or to the people of Canada.
 
wulfie68
No Party Affiliation
#29
This whole situation saddens me for a couple reasons but mainly:

-that such an undemocratic institution as the Canadian Senate can exist in a country that prides itself on being a modern democracy and example to others

-that reform of said institution has to be done via an end-run like this: if the Conservative controlled senate does bring forth and support reform, such as limiting of terms for senators, etc, I wonder about the long term constitutionality of such reforms

I don't like the way the whole scenario has unfolded. I think we do need a second chamber (elected by the people, not appointed by the PMO to rubber stamp their wishes), and I know the various provinces are so far apart in their aspirations that a constitutional ammendment would never happen. I'm too much of an idealist to give in to "the ends justifies the means" on this type of issue. I don't like what the divides in the regions say about our country and its future.
 

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