Gun Control is Completely Useless.


JLM
No Party Affiliation
#17521
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

More guns in the right hands will prevent violence.


But I think probably in very rare cases. Perhaps different people will be doing the dying!
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#17522
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

But I think probably in very rare cases. Perhaps different people will be doing the dying!

I am not opposed to certain criminals dying.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+2
#17523
LILLEY: Shootings up as Trudeau's gun ban fails

Author of the article:
Brian Lilley
Publishing date:
Sep 08, 2020 • Last Updated 18 hours ago • 3 minute read




Article content

When Justin Trudeau announced his massive gun ban back on May 1, he told the country he was doing it to tackle gun violence and make Canada safer.
“Every single Canadian wants to see less gun violence and safer communities. So today, we take another big step forward,” Trudeau said.











“Enough is enough. Banning these firearms will save Canadian lives,” Trudeau’s public safety minister Bill Blair stated emphatically.
Too bad it isn’t working.
Between May 1 and Sept. 6, shootings were up in Canada’s biggest city. So were the number of people killed by guns.
In total, between when Trudeau announced his ban and the Labour Day weekend, Toronto saw 208 shootings with 92 people injured and 14 people killed. In that same time period for 2019, there were 185 shootings, 92 injured and 12 people killed.
Did Trudeau forget to take aim at criminals when trying to tackle the gun crime that is a real issue in many cities across Canada?




When Trudeau banned 1,500 guns or variants of rifles that he described as “military-grade assault weapons,” he wasn’t banning guns that are used in crime, he was banning guns used in hunting or at the gun range by licensed owners. Since May 1, hundreds more firearms have been added to the banned list even though they are shotguns or bolt-action rifles.


Those are firearms used for hunting not by criminals.


“Zero impact” is how Marcell Wilson summed up Trudeau’s gun ban on the gang violence plaguing our biggest cities.
Wilson should know; he used to be part of that world smuggling guns and running his own organization. Now he’s turned his life around and operates One By One, an organization that helps people get out of the gang life.


Banning these rifles, he said, won’t stop the shootings because gangs rarely — if ever — use them.


“Definitely handguns of smaller calibre in my day was ideal. Easy to conceal and easy to throw away if need be,” Wilson said.


Former Toronto Police detective Mark Mendelson, who spent 14 years as a lead investigator on the city’s homicide squad, said he agrees with Wilson when it comes to Trudeau’s gun ban aiming at the wrong target.


“These are not the guns used in crimes that involve the gangs,” Mendelson said.


“They’re running around with Glocks, Smith and Wesson, semi-automatic pistols.”


What Trudeau has banned were guns with no history of crime in this country claiming it would stop the shootings. The numbers show that’s not the case.




Shootings are up 12.5% this summer compared to the same time period in 2019 and 24% higher than what was recorded during the summer of 2018. Compared to summer 2015, the summer just before Trudeau was elected, shootings are up 83% in Toronto.


This was never about keep Canadians safer or reducing gun crime. This was about Trudeau looking like he was taking strong action when he wasn’t.




Shootings have been going up during his entire tenure in office and he hasn’t been able to deal with it.


Gun crime is a very real issue in Canada but the Liberals seem to forget the crime part and only focus on the gun part. Tracking down criminals and getting them to hand over their guns is difficult, tracking down licensed gun owners is much easier.


The government plans to spend more than $600 million, could be more than $1 billion, to pay legal gun owners to hand over their now banned rifles and shotguns.


Rather than spend this amount of money on something that has no chance of reducing gun crime, just a portion of it spent on groups like Wilson’s could go a long way towards dealing with the root problems.


C’mon Justin, it’s time to aim your efforts at the right target.


https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum..._0lnVgsSDtdx6s
 
Hoid
#17524
I believe they are already in the process of banning handguns in cities.

It is a logical step and one that obviously everyone is going to support.
 
JamesBondo
+2
#17525
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I believe they are already in the process of banning handguns in cities.
It is a logical step and one that obviously everyone is going to support.

Why is it logical?
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#17526
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

Why is it logical?

Actually, it kinda is.

Most of the homicides occur in urban areas.

Most of the homicides are committed with handguns.

Ergo. . .

(Of course, enforcement's a whole 'nother issue.)
 
JamesBondo
#17527
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Actually, it kinda is.
Most of the homicides occur in urban areas.
Most of the homicides are committed with handguns.
Ergo. . .
(Of course, enforcement's a whole 'nother issue.)

"kinda is" sounds like soft logic designed to support your biases.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2
#17528
One thing about T-bones he isn't for firearm confiscation and bans.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#17529
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I believe they are already in the process of banning handguns in cities.
It is a logical step and one that obviously everyone is going to support.

Law abiding citizens have not been permitted to walk around our cities packing registered handguns for decades. How many law abiding citizens are using their registered handguns to commit crimes? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#17530
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

One thing about T-bones he isn't for firearm confiscation and bans.

Banning guns has worked about as well as banning booze did. Or drugs. Like anything else the terminally stupid ban it just raised the price.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#17531
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

One thing about T-bones he isn't for firearm confiscation and bans.

My family has a long history of shooting back.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#17532
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

"kinda is" sounds like soft logic designed to support your biases.

No serious work gets done with a sidearm.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+1
#17533
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

I am not opposed to certain criminals dying.


Me neither as long as their crime is proven beyond doubt!
 
JamesBondo
+2
#17534
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

No serious work gets done with a sidearm.

it is a humanitarian device. 1 hand point the gun at the criminal intent on harming my family while the other hand dials 911. Don't make hold the firearm with two hands. You won't like me if I can't call 911.
 
Hoid
#17535
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

That's pure utter unadulterated bull shit, Hoid and you know it as would a five year old child. That would only apply in the situation of WAR. Outside of war that is NOT the proper use of a gun. How thick can you be?

what are you talking about?

millions of people have guns for self defense and protection.

If you shoot and kill somebody with something that is meant to shoot and kill people that thing has been used properly for its intended purpose.

Please think these things over before commenting - or its back on the ignore list
Last edited by Hoid; Sep 9th, 2020 at 09:30 PM..
 
JamesBondo
+2
#17536
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

what are you talking about?
millions of people have guns for self defense and protection.
If you shoot and kill somebody with something that is meant to shoot and kill people that thing has been used properly for its intended purpose.
Please think these things over before commenting - or its back on the ignore list

You said it yourself that the intended purpose is self defense and protection. These are accomplished millions of times per year without firing a shot.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+1
#17537
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

what are you talking about?

millions of people have guns for self defense and protection.

If you shoot and kill somebody with something that is meant to shoot and kill people that thing has been used properly for its intended purpose.

Please think these things over before commenting - or its back on the ignore list


What makes you think I give a rat's ass about your ignore list?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+2
#17538
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

What makes you think I give a rat's ass about your ignore list?

I think that was a promise, not a threat.
 
JamesBondo
+3
#17539
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

I think that was a promise, not a threat.

The best way to be ignored is to ask Hoid a question.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+4
#17540
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

The best way to be ignored is to ask Hoid a question.


Possibly because he has you on "ignore". Hoid doesn't hob nob with just anybody!
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+3
#17541
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Possibly because he has you on "ignore". Hoid doesn't hob nob with just anybody!

Good thing. Every time he enters a room the average IQ drops below room temperature.
 
harrylee
Free Thinker
+2
#17542
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Good thing. Every time he enters a room the average IQ drops below room temperature.

Sheep were never known for their brain power
 
DaSleeper
+3
#17543
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Good thing. Every time he enters a room the average IQ drops below room temperature.


You forgot to specify in celcius
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2
#17544
Pro-gun marchers speak out on federal government's assault weapon ban

Quote:

OTTAWA — Pro-gun activists marched in Ottawa on Saturday to contest what they describe as the "injustice and ineffectiveness" of the federal government's assault weapon ban.

The Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights is behind the outdoor event on Parliament Hill, dubbed an "integrity march," to advocate for the rights of its members.

The organization, which did not respond to a request for comment, said on its website the event was aimed at showing Canadians that gun owners are "your friends, colleagues and neighbours."

In a post on its Facebook page, the group chided the federal government for its "ineffective and expensive" gun ban, saying Canadians don't support it.

The Parliamentary Protective Service said roughly 800 people attended the event.

In May, the Liberal government announced it would be banning a range of 1,500 types of assault-style weapons, which it says were designed for the battlefield — not hunting or sport shooting.

Nathalie Provost, a survivor of the Polytechnique massacre and a spokeswoman for gun control group PolySeSouvient, said the objective of the federal government was not to penalize everyday citizens who take part in activities like hunting, for example.

"A hunter has the right to hunt. My family has hunters — there's no problem," Provost said. "What worries us the most is there is little gun control."


Provost said she believes pro-gun activists are organizing the march because they are worried.

"They are worried about losing a privilege," she said. "I think they are very worried and they realize many Canadians want those weapons removed from the market."

The Trudeau government announced in May that it is now banning the use, sale and import of assault weapons into Canada. The government has set up a buy-back program to take the guns out of circulation, but that program would be voluntary and not compulsory, which rankles gun control advocates.

"The tap that allowed the entry of new assault weapons is closed, but there are still quite a few in the pool," Provost said.


Provost wants these types of weapons to disappear completely from the Canadian landscape.

"The worst horror scene of my life — it didn't last very long, but it killed six people. And (for) me, it's four bullets in my body," she said.

"It's maddening the speed at which these weapons destroy."

For its part, the CCFR has challenged the constitutionality of the Trudeau government's ministerial order in Federal Court.

It argues in its challenge that the banned rifles are weapons intended for hunting and sport shooting, since that is how their owners have used them for decades.

The group argues that the new regulations, enacted by ministerial decree, are illegal and go beyond the scope of the powers conferred on the federal cabinet.

A spokeswoman for Public Safety Minister Bill Blair defended the legality of the order, saying it came after months of public consultation.

"The use of an Order-in-Council is exactly the process the law provides for when it comes to classifying firearms," Mary-Liz Power said in an email. "The Conservative Party, under Stephen Harper, used orders in council to downgrade the classification of several dangerous weapons just before the 2015 election without any public consultation."

Of course this article was written with a gun ban slant, they couldn't have it stand for itself like a social justice rally, could they?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+3
#17545
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Pro-gun marchers speak out on federal government's assault weapon ban
Of course this article was written with a gun ban slant, they couldn't have it stand for itself like a social justice rally, could they?

SJWs do not believe in social justice. They believe in oppressing everyone that does not follow their dogma.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+3
#17546
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Pro-gun marchers speak out on federal government's assault weapon ban



Of course this article was written with a gun ban slant, they couldn't have it stand for itself like a social justice rally, could they?


The media is reporting 800 protesters. The CCFR handed out bracelets as people arrived, and they were gone early. They had 2,000 of them. More lies from the gun grabbers. As usual.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+1
#17547
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

The media is reporting 800 protesters. The CCFR handed out bracelets as people arrived, and they were gone early. They had 2,000 of them. More lies from the gun grabbers. As usual.


Proof:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh9yxUtWijA
 
Hoid
#17548
So you it understood that 35,569,700 Canadians did attend whatever it was
 
JamesBondo
+2
#17549
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

So you it understood that 35,569,700 Canadians did attend whatever it was

The media counted, they got 14,227,880
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+2
#17550
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

The media counted, they got 14,227,880

Did they include illegals?