N.Y. cop not indicted in choke hold death


Locutus
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New York (CNN) -- A grand jury in New York on Wednesday decided not to indict white police officer Daniel Pantaleo in the July choke hold death of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man, according to two law enforcement officials.

During the fatal encounter July 17 Garner raised both hands in the air and told the officers not to touch him. Seconds later, a video shows an officer behind Garner grab him in a choke hold and pull him to the sidewalk, rolling him onto his stomach.

"I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" Garner said repeatedly, his cries muffled into the pavement.

The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," the medical examiner's office has said. The death was ruled a homicide.


The New York City Police Department prohibits choke holds.


Garner, 43, was pronounced dead that day. Police had suspected Garner of selling cigarettes illegally.
The death led to demonstrations around the city and came weeks before the racially charged police shooting of unarmed teen Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.


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N.Y. cop not indicted in choke hold death - CNN.com

*correction, he was a 'strangler'. that's right, a 'strangler'.



sorry.
 
Nuggler
#2
Christ, he tapped out and everything..................
 
B00Mer
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OK, this officer should have been charged..

There is a clear reason for the "Hands Up Gesture"

That's just fukked up, excessive force.. but no I'm not going out to protest, riot, loot or burn down businesses, like most of the baboons here in the USA.

 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

OK, this officer should have been charged..

There is a clear reason for the "Hands Up Gesture"

That's just fukked up, excessive force.. but no I'm not going out to protest, riot, loot or burn down businesses, like most of the baboons here in the USA.

This was murder by incompetent police.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ne...amir-rice.html
 
B00Mer
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#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

This was murder by incompetent police.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ne...amir-rice.html

That was a stupid idiot kid pointing what seemed to look like a gun at police.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

That was a stupid idiot kid pointing what seemed to look like a gun at police.

Watch the video- Police stop almost on top of the armed suspect- No one with a lick of sense does that.
Stated he verbally warned the kid 3 times- 2/3 seconds later kid is dead. Really 3 warnings in that amount of time. And you believe that?
The officer is lying thru his teeth.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

Watch the video- Police stop almost on top of the armed suspect- No one with a lick of sense does that.
Stated he verbally warned the kid 3 times- 2/3 seconds later kid is dead. Really 3 warnings in that amount of time. And you believe that?
The officer is lying thru his teeth.

OK you run up on an individual.. 1. to intimidate and threaten, show of power..

2. A fella is standing there with a gun in his hand.. could be pointing down.. the minute he starts to raise his gun you shoot..

Please supply link to video you watched..

Unless you are just repeating others statements and you really never watched the video..

"A contentious fact does not become uncontentious by virtue of repetition."
 
BaalsTears
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Eric Garner died for a smoke.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTears View Post

Eric Garner died for a smoke.

Big deal, Approx 6,762 people died today in the USA, as they do each day..

People are born, and die each day.. life goes without ya..

..................................

From the CDC. Divide by 365 to get average per type of death:

FastStats - Deaths and Mortality


Deaths and Mortality

(Data are for the U.S. and are final 2010 data; For the most recent preliminary data see Deaths: Preliminary Data for 2011 [PDF - 1.7 MB])


•Number of deaths: 2,468,435
•Death rate: 799.5 deaths per 100,000 population
•Life expectancy: 78.7 years
•Infant Mortality rate: 6.15 deaths per 1,000 live births

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
•Heart disease: 597,689
•Cancer: 574,743
•Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
•Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
•Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
•Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
•Diabetes: 69,071
•Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
•Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
•Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364
 
Locutus
#10
Police last words before 'I can't breathe' : put your hands behind your back'.
 
B00Mer
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gopher
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Use of the choke hold is in violation of NYC police dept policy and has been so since 1993. Grand jury feels no crime was committed? Well, we'll see what happens when the family settles its $75 million lawsuit against the city. Somebody will have to pay then.
 
Locutus
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a shame he never followed their lawful commands...turned quite tragic after that.
 
gopher
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Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus View Post

a shame he never followed their lawful commands...turned quite tragic after that.



I was in a discussion on a NY forum and we compared the differences in how the government approached enforcing lawful commands in the Cliven Bundy case and in this one. The government retreated in the Nevada case but not here. Why? Because the people assembled with weapons which is what they should be doing in NY and in Ferguson.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus View Post

Police last words before 'I can't breathe' : put your hands behind your back'.

The man died of natural causes, choking is a natural cause, happens hundreds of times a day everyday. I can't breath--------put your hands behindf your back---------but I'm dead??????????????
 
Locutus
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

I was in a discussion on a NY forum and we compared the differences in how the government approached enforcing lawful commands in the Cliven Bundy case and in this one. The government retreated in the Nevada case but not here. Why? Because the people assembled with weapons which is what they should be doing in NY and in Ferguson.

that's nice. seems to be one of your pet mad projects. let us know how it all works out.

anyway, the big man was told several times to put his hands behind his back.
 
gopher
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Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus;

that's nice. seems to be one of your pet mad projects. let us know how it all works out.

anyway, the big man was told several times to put his hands behind his back.



So was Cliven Bundy but he walked away a free man with taxpayers footing the bill.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+2
#18
This and the Rice incident should have the cop tried. Michael Brown's case should have been acquitted. If you don't prosecute the obvious ones, people will get upset about the legitimate ones.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus View Post

that's nice. seems to be one of your pet mad projects. let us know how it all works out.

anyway, the big man was told several times to put his hands behind his back.

allegedly

Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

This and the Rice incident should have the cop tried. Michael Brown's case should have been acquitted. If you don't prosecute the obvious ones, people will get upset about the legitimate ones.

The ligitamate three quarter clip takedowns you mean? Stay away from Walmark.
 
Locutus
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

allegedly

you best watch the video of the arrest. listen to it.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#21
Eric Garner was an alleged criminal, allegedly selling cigarettes without a lobbyist in Washington. Cigarettes kill, therefore Eric Garner was attempting murder. Therefore the police were perfectly justified in using a technique their own department forbids on him.

He was clearly a terrorist, and he deserved to die.
 
BaalsTears
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Eric Garner was an alleged criminal, allegedly selling cigarettes without a lobbyist in Washington. Cigarettes kill, therefore Eric Garner was attempting murder. Therefore the police were perfectly justified in using a technique their own department forbids on him.

He was clearly a terrorist, and he deserved to die.

It's worse than that. Eric Garner was attempting to avoid taxes on smokes.
 
Locutus
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coldstream
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Although i agreed that the case against Darren Wilson in Ferguson did not support a charge.. i thought there was a much stronger case for an indictment of Involuntary Manslaughter.. or more appropriately Aggravated Assault against Ofc. Daniel Pantaleo for his use of a choke hold that is clearly forbidden under NYPD protocols.

The police then, when faced with man who was clearly in distress did NOTHING.. no cpr, no aid.. nothing.. and let him go into cardiac arrets. That was pathetic and incompetent.

The whole video clip highlights a culture that has descended on many U.S. Police Forces.. and unfortunately some in Canada. In this case an unarmed, non-violent suspect of a minor offense.. selling cigarettes without a tax stamp.. is surrounded by a police.

Like a pack of wolves they threaten, confuse, enrage and humiliate.. knowing this will inflame the situation.. and then pounce in a co-ordinated attack. When something goes askew, like this, police seem incapable of reacting having completely dehumanized the suspect into prey of a big game hunt.

The reason you had this type police presence for such a minor infraction is the NYPD Policy of massive and overwhelming focus against visible minor crime on the argument that this will somehow disrupt major criminal activity from taking root.

The real reason is a matter of bookkeeping. The small crimes start to disappear from the courts, letting the Police Department trumpet major decrease in all crime.. when in reality it has just moved off the streets into more secure locations.

All of the Officers and Paramedics who attended this situation deserve to be severely disciplined for failing to render aid. Panteleo should be charged and fired. And frankly, like Ferguson, this reflects systemic, philosophical problems in the NYPD that go directly up to the Commissioner's office.

I would not be surprised if the Federal government moves in this case to charge Pantaleo with Denial of Civil Rights. I think they have to do something and the District Attorney Offices are just too closely alligned with Police to objectively prosecute.

It might only apply to quarter of police officers.. and the ringleaders are only a small percentage of that... but you have to get the thugs, punks and bullies out of police departments.
Last edited by coldstream; Dec 4th, 2014 at 02:35 PM..
 
WLDB
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Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus View Post

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New York (CNN) -- A grand jury in New York on Wednesday decided not to indict white police officer Daniel Pantaleo in the July choke hold death of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man, according to two law enforcement officials.

During the fatal encounter July 17 Garner raised both hands in the air and told the officers not to touch him. Seconds later, a video shows an officer behind Garner grab him in a choke hold and pull him to the sidewalk, rolling him onto his stomach.

"I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" Garner said repeatedly, his cries muffled into the pavement.

The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," the medical examiner's office has said. The death was ruled a homicide.


The New York City Police Department prohibits choke holds.


Garner, 43, was pronounced dead that day. Police had suspected Garner of selling cigarettes illegally.
The death led to demonstrations around the city and came weeks before the racially charged police shooting of unarmed teen Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.


more


N.Y. cop not indicted in choke hold death - CNN.com

*correction, he was a 'strangler'. that's right, a 'strangler'.



sorry.

 
Twila
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Should be interesting to see if anything comes from this. Besides further distrust of law enforcement.

I wonder how anyone could expect another person to submit when they are being strangled/choked and fear loosing their ability to breath.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

OK you run up on an individual.. 1. to intimidate and threaten, show of power..

2. A fella is standing there with a gun in his hand.. could be pointing down.. the minute he starts to raise his gun you shoot..

Please supply link to video you watched..

Unless you are just repeating others statements and you really never watched the video..

"A contentious fact does not become uncontentious by virtue of repetition."

Here ya go.
You No 1 reason is wrong.
Watch the video and tell me the Officer had time to speak.
But for video: Tamir Rice edition - The Washington Post
 
Corduroy
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Is President Obama's body camera idea going to solve this problem? It might have improved some of the questions around Michael Brown's murder. But could there have been any evidence good enough to indict Darren Wilson? Apparently clear and definitive video of a police officer murdering a non-threatening man in cold blood wasn't enough. The solution isn't cameras is it? The entire justice system in the United States is broken.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

Is President Obama's body camera idea going to solve this problem? It might have improved some of the questions around Michael Brown's murder. But could there have been any evidence good enough to indict Darren Wilson? Apparently clear and definitive video of a police officer murdering a non-threatening man in cold blood wasn't enough. The solution isn't cameras is it? The entire justice system in the United States is broken.

The cameras would have immediatly cleared Darren Wilson and prevented Michael Brown from being elivated to some sort of choir boy hero.

I have no explaination in this case why the NYPD cops got off. In this case, it does indicate sever flaws in the justice system.
 
Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

I have no explaination in this case why the NYPD cops got off. In this case, it does indicate sever flaws in the justice system.

What flaws do you think it indicates?
 

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