Is Canada ready for the coming electric vehicle revolution?


MHz
#1261
If they were 'a sight to behold' every town would want one.
 
Curious Cdn
#1262
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

And where does Jay Leno live? I'm pretty sure it's not Outback British Columbia! Does he know where this electricity is going to come from in 10 or 20 years?

... Outback British Columbia?
 
JLM
#1263
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

... Outback British Columbia?


OK, a generic term for places like Towdystan. Smarten up!
 
Hoid
#1264
I believe the electricity will through a wire
 
spilledthebeer
#1265
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

... Outback British Columbia?




It is AMAZING how often LIE-beral minded TWITS...............................


like Leno can edit out useful information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He says electric TOY cars have 300 - 400 MILE RANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That claimed 300 mile range translates into 480 KILOMETERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that 400 mile range translates into 640 KILOMETERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yet the Yankee Environmental Protection Agency states that a 2018 Nissan Leaf has a range of.................................


151 MILES OR 243 KILOMETERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The EPA also reports that the standard Tesla Model 3 gets 240 miles or 386 kilometers............................


Yet Alex Dykes of Alex on Autos- a Yankee online commentator - who actually BOUGHT a standard Tesla model 3.........................


and operated it for PERSONAL USE............................................


-reported that HE ONLY GOT A MAXIMUM OF 192 miles range - which translates into 308 kilometers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dykes lives on the Yankee west coast and thus his test of the Tesla was NOT INFLUENCED by cold weather..................


as would be the case if he used the machine in a place like Nebraska or in Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


As for Leno -he is known for having a HUGE SELECTION of motor vehicles in his garage and can pick and choose......................


according to range and inclination and current service and fuel status..........................................


the guy HAS the FREE TIME to play with his Tesla and its cumbersome recharging system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Thus we can see that LIE-berals DELIGHT in issuing FAKE NEWS about the electric TOY cars they love so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And is it not ODD.........................................


that LIE-berals so strongly CONDEMN Fake News..............................................


and yet IT IS LIE-berals who so often ISSUE that FAKERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hoid
#1266
https://jalopnik.com/your-nissan-lea...use-1836311220

people still not quite getting the fact that EVs are stationary for most of the time - like very other car.

in the case of the EV they are able to power your house through bi-lateral charging systems which will see the EV battery charged at night during non peak hours and then turn around and run your house during high use hours.

and if your ev is not fully charged? So what. The average trip is under 30 miles - and the majority of trips are under 6 miles.

on the other hand the gas in your gas tank can be used as a solvent.
 
JLM
#1267
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://jalopnik.com/your-nissan-lea...use-1836311220

people still not quite getting the fact that EVs are stationary for most of the time - like very other car.

in the case of the EV they are able to power your house through bi-lateral charging systems which will see the EV battery charged at night during non peak hours and then turn around and run your house during high use hours.

and if your ev is not fully charged? So what. The average trip is under 30 miles - and the majority of trips are under 6 miles.

on the other hand the gas in your gas tank can be used as a solvent.


When are people going to get it through their heads that electricity is not a sustainable or practical vehicle 'fuel' on a long term basis? We have billions of cubic feet of petroleum products right under our feet.
 
Hoid
#1268
electricity is the future old timer.

you don't have to worry about it because you aren't going to be there
 
JLM
#1269
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

electricity is the future old timer.

you don't have to worry about it because you aren't going to be there




WTF appointed you as a clairvoyant.
 
Hoid
#1270
you planning to be around 40 years from now?
 
Curious Cdn
#1271
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

you planning to be around 40 years from now?

Not me ...
 
bill barilko
#1272
Great article from the BBC

Tesla motors make classic Ferraris go faster



Every time a Tesla hits a tree, it's a gift for these enthusiasts.

Around the world, a cottage industry is growing in converting classic cars into electric vehicles.

Small firms are buying up old Nissan and Tesla parts and bolting them into Ferraris, Porsches and BMWs, making them cleaner, easier to maintain and even quicker.

The basic process differs little from firm to firm: take out the engine and fuel tank and replace them with a battery pack and motor, often connecting the motor to the old gear box.

They try to change as little as possible so that the process is reversible.



Buyers have never asked for their car to be put back to petrol, says Richard Morgan, who owns Electric Classic Cars in Newtown, Wales. In fact, nobody has asked them to keep their petrol engine in storage, either - a service he offers.

"I'm talking as an ex-petrolhead," he says. "From a massive petrolhead's point of view, electric cars are better in every way." However he adds: "If you'd said that to me five years ago I'd have laughed".

'Faster, better'
Mr Morgan, whose more exotic conversions include a Ferrari 308, says his interest started a few years ago in his days racing classic cars. His team used an Oset electric bike to ferry about parts and snacks.

"I was always amazed by that little thing. How much power was in this little motor the size of your fist."

So he decided to apply that power to cars, making it a full-time job three years ago. He uses a mix of new and recovered parts.



"It was nothing environmental, purely from a car point of view. How can I make it faster, better, more reliable?"

The Ferrari will now go from 0-60mph in 3.5 seconds in good conditions, halving its petrol-driven time. Its owner can worry less about tune-ups and break-downs, he says.

The car could do it in 2.7 seconds, but this was toned down as the rest of the car wasn't strong enough to handle it.

'We save cars'
This car-first view is shared by San Diego-based EV West founder Michael Bream, considered one of the early movers of today's conversion scene.

He says while many people will want to go electric for the cleaner air, "our job is to save the car".



This approach is proving good for a range of firms, and Tesla and its competitors are proving good benefactors beyond their bounty of scrap yard parts.

Battery cars have been around for a long time, but Tesla made them fun, says Mr Bream. And fun is a lot more persuasive than bossy.

"'Your car pollutes, your car's stinky'. I don't know if people have ever parented before, but saying something like that is the worst thing you can do."

Government help
Fun can also trump basic economics, he adds. "I've never in my life had somebody in a Prius pull up to me and say, 'dude, come and try this thing, it is ridiculously economical'."

His advice to would-be customers is to choose a car that will stay attractive to buyers. While new cars lose value the moment they leave the showroom, classics like old Porsches and the VW Beetle are more likely to keep their value, or even appreciate.



For Matthew Quitter of London Electric Cars, the process could be extended to cars beyond classics.

He admits that government help might be needed to compete with cheaper, newer mass-market electric cars and the thin margins big manufacturers work on.

Expensive to do
Scrap parts would need to stay cheaper than second-hand cars, he says, and conversion costs would need to fall.

Currently it is not cheap and can cost £20,000 or more. Many conversions are the first of their kind, adding to the expense.



But the more it is done, the cheaper it gets. As well as avoiding scrapping millions of working petrol car bodies, it will mean a generation of mechanics will still recognise at least most of the car's layout.

"Otherwise, you will get a moment where everyone is driving electric cars and no-one will know how to fix them," says Mr Quitter.

His tip: less-fashionable classics like the Triumph Herald, a "fabulous little car. You can pick them up for a couple of grand."

'Ultimate recycling'
City dwellers like him don't need the range of a Tesla for their commute, and using batteries from old laptops destined to be scrapped or recycled could prove a cheap way of converting the family car.

Brandon Hollinger, whose Lancaster, Pennsylvania firm ampRevolt has converted cars including a London black cab, thinks all-in-one kits could cut costs. For him it would be "the ultimate in recycling".

"Imagine an assembly the size of an engine that contains not only the motor, but also the battery and electronics - and boom, labour costs are way down," he says.

"I do see this as a promising direction. I could do the expensive builds for ever and it's fun but I would rather crack the code and make this available to more people."

'Racing to the people'
But Mr Morgan and Mr Bream both caution that the market for cheaper electric cars will only increase, reducing prices and making it a very competitive field.

But racing electric cars does have its advantages, she says. "You can take racing to the people. You can have a conversation while you are watching your favourite driver go by. We can race on downtown city streets because there are no emissions, noise pollution."

Just a long tailpipe?
The industry has many converts. Why wouldn't you want to make your car faster, easier to look after and cleaner, if you have the money?


Formula E racing is possible in places like New York, where noisier Formula 1 would not be so welcome
Critics grumble about vandalising pieces of history and the loss of the engine noise. A few point out that globally, most electricity is still generated from coal and oil. The engineers give these points short shrift.

"In your Edwardian house, do you still have a coal fire? Have you ruined it by putting in central heating?" asks Richard Morgan.

For him, the noise is lost power that should be used to make your car go faster, and its absence means hearing the countryside again. As for the long tailpipe argument?

"If petrol was invented now, it would not take off," he says. It needs to be discovered, refined and shipped about the country. And the portion of renewables used by the grid is ever increasing, he adds.
 
JLM
#1273
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

you planning to be around 40 years from now?


You just take it one day at a time and see where it leads, every week it seems I see a centenarian celebrating a birthday. 106 isn't all that uncommon now.
 
Curious Cdn
#1274
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

You just take it one day at a time and see where it leads, every week it seems I see a centenarian celebrating a birthday. 106 isn't all that uncommon now.

What's it like to be 106?
 
JLM
#1275
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

What's it like to be 106?


Old?
 
Curious Cdn
#1276
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Old?

You sure?
 
Gilgamesh
+1
#1277
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Dyson, maybe?

Pendants ...

The oncoming electric vehicle revolution is a mirage. Until we get batteries at least twice as good as the best we have now, last for a long time, are cheap, etc. (and researchers worldwide have been trying for decades) it won't happen.

The fact that govts everywhere need to subsidize the EV industry says it all.

Contrary to the deranged thoughts of the Luddites and enviro-Nazis, we didn't end up using fossil fuels due to a large and criminal conspiracy. Fossil fuels are a cost effective extremely energy dense, easy to use fuel source.

All the above IMHO is not why Tesla may go under, The big auto mfg. have got into the field, and even if they are not as successful as people wish, they will drive Tesla into the ground.

Personally, since an electric motor has very few moving parts (low, almost zero maintenance), and produces max torque at 0-1RPM, it is ideal for a vehicle powerplant.

Batteries however............

Our neighbour 2 doors down has a new Tesla SUV & model 3. I have been taken for a spin. Very impressive indeed, but he keeps his regular SUV for longer trips. Smart man.

BTW yes, hydrogen is ideal for a fuel cell. Hydrogen is the most abundant molecule in the universe, and planet earth.
However, while we know a dozen ways to extract H2, no one has found an efficient way of extracting it.

The universe was not meant to make us feel better, or even for us to succeed.
 
spilledthebeer
#1278
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://jalopnik.com/your-nissan-lea...use-1836311220

people still not quite getting the fact that EVs are stationary for most of the time - like very other car.

in the case of the EV they are able to power your house through bi-lateral charging systems which will see the EV battery charged at night during non peak hours and then turn around and run your house during high use hours.

and if your ev is not fully charged? So what. The average trip is under 30 miles - and the majority of trips are under 6 miles.

on the other hand the gas in your gas tank can be used as a solvent.




POOR STUPID hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He simply CANNOT figure out any logical way.....................................


to BRUSH ASIDE ANGRY REPORTS..............................


from owners of older model electric TOY cars............................


regarding just how BADLY battery range DEGRADES once the car is a few years old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



For a lot of buyers.........................


an electric TOY car purchase.......................


IS A ONE TIME EVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Due to CRAPPY BATTERY LIFE..........................


AND RESULTING SHORT RANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Hoid
#1279
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

The oncoming electric vehicle revolution is a mirage. Until we get batteries at least twice as good as the best we have now, last for a long time, are cheap, etc. (and researchers worldwide have been trying for decades) it won't happen.
The fact that govts everywhere need to subsidize the EV industry says it all.
Contrary to the deranged thoughts of the Luddites and enviro-Nazis, we didn't end up using fossil fuels due to a large and criminal conspiracy. Fossil fuels are a cost effective extremely energy dense, easy to use fuel source.
All the above IMHO is not why Tesla may go under, The big auto mfg. have got into the field, and even if they are not as successful as people wish, they will drive Tesla into the ground.
Personally, since an electric motor has very few moving parts (low, almost zero maintenance), and produces max torque at 0-1RPM, it is ideal for a vehicle powerplant.
Batteries however............
Our neighbour 2 doors down has a new Tesla SUV & model 3. I have been taken for a spin. Very impressive indeed, but he keeps his regular SUV for longer trips. Smart man.
BTW yes, hydrogen is ideal for a fuel cell. Hydrogen is the most abundant molecule in the universe, and planet earth.
However, while we know a dozen ways to extract H2, no one has found an efficient way of extracting it.
The universe was not meant to make us feel better, or even for us to succeed.

Good post

You do need to address emissions.

Another fact is that governments are going to legislate legacy engines out of existence. many jurisdictions have already set the dates.

So it really isn't even a matter of choice anymore.

And I agree hydrogen is theoretically an ideal solution.
 
Hoid
#1280
also re range anxiety: this is a real thing. It was a real thing at the beginning of the age of the automobile as the Model T held only 10 gallons of gas, which could only be purchased at a pharmacy.

People could not see how it replaced the horse let alone steam.
 
spilledthebeer
#1281
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Good post

You do need to address emissions.

Another fact is that governments are going to legislate legacy engines out of existence. many jurisdictions have already set the dates.

So it really isn't even a matter of choice anymore.

And I agree hydrogen is theoretically an ideal solution.




OH YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


look at hemerHOID trying to skate his way sideways out of his FAILURE..........................


to sell us on his electric TOY cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He states "many govts are going to legislate legacy engines ouit of existence"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


AS it stands now the European Union has decreed that no more gasoline engines will be built after 2040!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So they HAVE PLENTY OF TIME To change their minds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
spilledthebeer
#1282
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

also re range anxiety: this is a real thing. It was a real thing at the beginning of the age of the automobile as the Model T held only 10 gallons of gas, which could only be purchased at a pharmacy.

People could not see how it replaced the horse let alone steam.




POOR hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


SKATING SO HARD to get clear of his own thin logic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HemerHOID happily DOES NOT MENTION.................................


just how far a model T could go on ten gallons of gas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And he does not mention that in those good old days...........................................


govt money was NOT BEING HEAPED INTO THE POCKETS....................................


of gas station owners and car makers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!


UNLIKE the current situation which sees MILLIONS OF DOLLARS of Cdn tax money....................................


and BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in Yankee tax money ....................................


thrown at electric TOY car makers and at not so fast TOY car charger installers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


With BOTH Ontari-owe AND B.C. LIE-berals enduring COSTLY SCANDALS....................................


thanks to CRAP CONTRACTS with private companies hired by LIE-berals................................


to install not so fast chargers for TOY car owners at public expense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Tesla is currently arguing with the Yankee gvot over allegedly FALSE ADVERTISING.................................


regarding the safety of Model 3 Tesla cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


And Tesla is fighting its TOY car owners because of the Tesla choice to restrict recharging of Toy cars.................


at Tesla chargers to 80 percent of battery capacity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And a storm is brewing with high end Tesla Model owners......................


many of whom PAID EXTRA FOR BIGGER BATTERIES.........................................


and are now BITTERLY DISGUSTED AT HOW LITTLE CHARGE the batteries hold...............................


with resulting DRASTIC REDUCTIONS in the already LIMITED range.............................


that there is talk of a class action lawsuit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!


HemerHOID and other Toy car devotees DO NOT wish to talk about how quickly..........................


the battery range of an electric TOY car DEGRADES as it ages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HemerHOID glosses over the fact that the average battery has LOST HALF irs capacity.......................................


by the time it is ten years old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


And hemerHOID CERTAINLY DOES NOT want to discuss the EVEN WORSE range of a ten year old battery..................................


IN COLD WEATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Hoid
#1283
https://www.eenews.net/energywire/stories/1060727769

ELECTRIC VEHICLES
EVs could make 80% of gas stations unprofitable — report
David Iaconangelo, E&E News reporter

Published: Friday, July 12, 2019
The rise of electric vehicles may cause gas stations to shutter across much of the country and force others to reshape their business model, according to a report by the Boston Consulting Group.

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what is going to happen is that as time goes by there will be fewer and fewer places to buy gasoline.

this will lead to range anxiety among the people who have to still drive those legacy vehicles.
 
spilledthebeer
#1284
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.eenews.net/energywire/stories/1060727769

ELECTRIC VEHICLES
EVs could make 80% of gas stations unprofitable — report
David Iaconangelo, E&E News reporter

Published: Friday, July 12, 2019
The rise of electric vehicles may cause gas stations to shutter across much of the country and force others to reshape their business model, according to a report by the Boston Consulting Group.

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what is going to happen is that as time goes by there will be fewer and fewer places to buy gasoline.

this will lead to range anxiety among the people who have to still drive those legacy vehicles.




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


The greatest danger we Cdns face...........................................


is the UNLIMITED RANGE of FAKE NEWS.............................................. .


that SHAMELESS LIE-beral HUCKSTERS like hemerHOID..................................


are prepared to spout in public!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HemerHOID and his propaganda spouting



LIE-beral allies..............


are a SERIOUS THREAT.........................



to HONEST CDN DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
MHz
#1285
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


The greatest danger we Cdns face...........................................


is the UNLIMITED RANGE of FAKE NEWS.............................................. .


that SHAMELESS LIE-beral HUCKSTERS like hemerHOID..................................


are prepared to spout in public!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HemerHOID and his propaganda spouting



LIE-beral allies..............


are a SERIOUS THREAT.........................



to HONEST CDN DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Little font for a little man.
Battery swap sites, 15 minutes, NG tank replacement, 15 minutes as well as sale of home devices and repair of seals at minimal cost.
 
spilledthebeer
#1286
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Little font for a little man.
Battery swap sites, 15 minutes, NG tank replacement, 15 minutes as well as sale of home devices and repair of seals at minimal cost.




And just WHO is paying for all that stuff ................................................


Mega Horse ZIT????????????????????????????


The cost certainly WILL NOT be carried by Tesla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!


Nor will General Motors kick in any cash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Both companies are ALREADY having trouble keeping themselves fiscally solvent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!


And the cost will not be carried by the buyers of electric TOY cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Sales of electric Toy cars have SLUMPED BADLY as govts cut those GROSSLY UNFAIR SUBSIDIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And consider this added legal handicap for Tesla............................................. ..


the company is BEING SUED BY PISSED OFF OWNERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Because the battery range of their electric TOYS is falling off so badly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As the cars age!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!








Here is an article illustrating how angry the public is becoming as LIE-berals continue their efforts to force us to buy electric TOY cars so that LIE-berals can profit hugely in various ways by this greedy LIE-beral mandated change in transportation methods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With some comments of my own in brackets):

Tesla sued over alleged cover-up of battery defect

From Reuters.

Published: August 8, 2019. Updated: August 8, 2019 10:48 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN

SAN FRANCISCO — A Tesla Inc owner has filed a lawsuit against the electric vehicle maker, claiming the company limited the battery range of older vehicles via a software update to avoid a costly recall to fix what plaintiffs allege are defective batteries.

(Oh nice- the TOY car range is CRAP to begin with - and the range deteriorates very rapidly as the TOY ages - and deteriorates EVEN MORE in cold weather - and now Tesla is accused of messing with the software and charging capacity!!!!!! GOSH - owning an electric TOY that has so many limitations and yet costs way more than a gas car sounds like A BAD DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The lawsuit filed on Wednesday in Northern California federal court alleges fraud and seeks class action status for the potentially “thousands” of such Model S and X owners around the world who have seen the range of their older-generation batteries suddenly curtailed, some by as much as 40 miles (64 km).

The lost range has been a hot topic since May on online owner forums, such as TeslaMotorsClub.com, in which many owners detail how their battery range has fallen. Some users bought more expensive models because they offered greater range. They say Tesla took this away with the software update, thereby devaluing the car, limiting the distance they can travel and forcing them to recharge more frequently.

Plaintiff David Rasmussen’s 2014 Model S 85 lost battery capacity equivalent to about 8kWh but was told by Tesla the degradation was normal, the lawsuit says.

(Sadly Tesla is probably right as there is ample evidence to indicate that a standard battery will lose FULLY HALF its capacity by the time it is ten years old!! Therefore losing 10- 20 percent capacity in a 5 year old car does not sound out of line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Of course losing such capacity is FRUSTRATING for people who know that the average gas powered car on the road is ELEVEN YEARS OLD - and such cars DO NOT LOOSE half their capacity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

A Tesla spokesperson said the company’s priority was to deliver the best possible customer experience with the highest regard for safety.

(I am sure that is true- too bad that THE COST of the TESLA EXPERIENCE is so very HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“A very small percentage of owners of older Model S and Model X vehicles may have noticed a small reduction in range when charging to a maximum state of charge following a software update designed to improve battery longevity,” Tesla said.

(Should we guess that this software change involves tougher limits to prevent over charging?? Otherwise how can a software change hurt the battery????????????)

It added that it was working to mitigate the impact on range for affected owners and “have been rolling out over-the-air updates to address this issue since last week.”

The issue first came to light in May. After a Model S caught fire in Hong Kong, Tesla said that out of an overabundance of caution it was revising charge and thermal management settings on Model S and X vehicles via an over-the-air software update. The goal was “to help further protect the battery and improve battery longevity,” it said. In June, it said it planned to improve the impact of the software update after some owners complained.

Some owners who have seen their cars no longer able to charge to 100% have sought redress through arbitration, while at least three have sold their cars, according to Teslamotorsclub.com forum posts. Others have disabled their Wi-Fi to avoid any software updates that could affect their range.

“Under the guise of ‘safety’ and increasing the ‘longevity’ of the batteries of the Class Vehicles, Tesla fraudulently manipulated its software with the intent to avoid its duties and legal obligations to customers to fix, repair, or replace the batteries of the Class Vehicles, all of which Tesla knew were defective, yet failed to inform its customers of the defects,” wrote the lawsuit.

(OH- a fire in a Tesla that may have been in the midst of recharging?? Should we GUESS that older Lithium batteries are vulnerable to dangerous heat build up while they are being charged- with the software trying to push a standard charge into an older battery that cannot accept that charge any longer?????????????????)

Tesla faced U.S. agency scrutiny last year over Model 3 safety claims
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The lawsuit points to a recent spate of Tesla battery fires, and claims that instead of informing its customers about a potential fire risk, the company “chose to go behind the backs of its customers and use software updates and throttling of the battery to avoid liability.”

In its Vehicle Safety Report published on its website, Tesla says vehicle fires are “exceptionally rare” and from 2012 to 2018 there was approximately one Tesla vehicle fire for every 170 million miles traveled. It compared that with data from the National Fire Protection Association and the U.S. Department of Transportation showing a vehicle fire for every 19 million miles travelled in the United States. Those entities measure fires in all vehicles, not just Teslas.

In May, Tesla said its vehicles were 10 times less likely to experience a fire than a gas car. It said that in its investigation of the Hong Kong fire, it found that only a few battery modules were affected and the majority of the battery pack was undamaged.

(Only a few battery modules were affected by the fire?? Well that`s nice but what about the damage to the car from the fire and what about damage to the garage it was parked in while being charged?? And what are the odds that ANY condo or apartment landlord will EVER ALLOW electric TOY chargers to be installed on their property?? What price for a potential FIRE HAZARD and probable LAW SUIT parked on your property????????????????????????????)

One owner, Nick Smith of Orlando, Florida, said in an interview he has been frustrated by poor customer service by Tesla, with sluggish response to his calls and emails and being kept in the dark over the true root of the problem and what will be done to remedy it.

(Apparently this Toy range issue is simply STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE!! The deterioration of Lithium batteries as they age is WELL DOCUMENTED!! Thus Tesla CANNOT aid the angry customers!!!!!!!!And LIE-berals DO NOT wish to discuss the HUGE COST of replacing a TOY car battery when it reaches ten years in service!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“It’s as if you take your car to the shop and you have a 20 gallon tank but now you have a 10 gallon tank without your knowledge or permission,” Smith said in an interview.

Smith’s 2013 Model S P85 will no longer charge past 90% following the software update. Tesla told him the loss was due to normal regular battery degradation, he said.

(The available evidence suggests that a 10 percent loss in battery capacity for a 6 year old TOY is NOT TOO BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The batteries in question carry an eight-year warranty.

(OH!! Tesla aids TWO INDUSTRIES AT ONCE!! They promote the LIE-beral sponsored electric TOY car biz- and their weasel word GUARANTEES promote LOTS OF WORK FOR LAWYERS!! Sadly the customers are going to lose out as battery degradation is STANDARD WEAR AND TEAR and is NOT a defect - thus NO Cash and NO solutions for angry customers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(It is LIE-beral style business as usual - selling the sizzle and NOT the steak!!!!!!!)

(AS some 19th century Yankee Robber Baron observed: “if you have to ask how much it costs then you cannot afford it” - but he was speaking of luxury yachts rather than electric TOY cars!! The really funny thing is that LIE-berals expect to grab so much gravy from sales taxes on short lived and hugely costly electric Toy cars and on the electricity they need to operate that LIE-berals will be able to own luxury yachts - powered by BIG DIESELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
JLM
#1287
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.eenews.net/energywire/stories/1060727769

ELECTRIC VEHICLES
EVs could make 80% of gas stations unprofitable — report
David Iaconangelo, E&E News reporter

Published: Friday, July 12, 2019
The rise of electric vehicles may cause gas stations to shutter across much of the country and force others to reshape their business model, according to a report by the Boston Consulting Group.

--------------------------------------------------------

what is going to happen is that as time goes by there will be fewer and fewer places to buy gasoline.

this will lead to range anxiety among the people who have to still drive those legacy vehicles.


Not in our life time!
 
spilledthebeer
#1288
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Little font for a little man.
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AND THE SECOND BIGGEST DANGER WE CDNS FACE.............................................. .



is the LIE-beral INSISTENCE.................................


on giving LUNATICS LIKE MHz.....................................


ANY chance to INFLUENCE our elections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!








Here is an article illustrating the illogic and anti Yankee bigotry of Cdn LIE-berals!! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Fed up Canada tells U.S. to help with China crisis or forget about favours

By David Ljunggren

OTTAWA - Canada is leaning on the United States to help settle a dispute with China, which has started to block imports of vital Canadian commodities amid a dispute over a detained Huawei executive.

(Oh right- bitchy LIE-berals who have already exposed their contempt for Yankees are trying to “lean on WASHINGTON”!! Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals want to act as if our arrest of Huawei chief Meng was some sort of favour to Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Our idiot Boy is IGNORING CERTAIN awkward fact such as the United Nations sanctions directed at the lunatics in Tehran because they are working to start a nuclear war in the Middle East!! Muslims are seeking to destroy Israel in an act of GROSS religious bigotry!! And the idiot Boy is IGNORING the military and economic aid that Soviet Socialist RED CHINA is giving to Iran!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
In a sign of increasing frustration at what it sees as a lackluster U.S. response, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government is signaling it could withhold cooperation on major issues.

(Our idiot Boy is being his usual OBTUSE and idiotic self- ignoring the reality of the confrontation and trade war between Trump and China!! The ugly fact is that if Red China can get away with bullying the Yankees then they will also seek to BULLY CANADA as well- with harsh consequences for US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

China has upped the pressure on Canada in recent weeks over the arrest of Huawei Technologies Co Ltd Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou, arrested last December on a U.S. warrant. It halted Canadian canola imports and last week suspended the permits of two major pork producers.

(Yes- Red China has identified our idiot prime minster as a “USEFUL IDIOT” of the sort that will sell his enemies the rope the enemies want to HANG US WITH!! China seeks to isolate and demoralize and weaken the Yankee position and so pressure is put on Canada to back away from supporting an ALLY we can trust - and to instead support a Soviet style enemy that seeks to INJURE US in the future once we can no longer HIDE behind Yankee military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

After Meng's Vancouver arrest, Chinese police also detained two Canadian citizens.

(Yes and many Cdns recognize the Chinese Bully boy arrests for what they are- though LIE-berals are working hard to DENY the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Beijing is refusing to allow a Canadian trade delegation to visit, forcing officials to use video conference calls as they try to negate a major threat to commodity exports.

(Economic war of this sort is COSTLY to BOTH SIDES!! Red China knows this and hopes it can HIDE the extent of its pain- while Cdns whimper for relief- that ordinary Chinese citizens want just as much as Cdns- but do NOT DARE to say so for fear of BRUTAL Soviet CHINESE Re-education camps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
With no cards to play against China without risking significant economic damage, Canada has launched a full-court press in Washington, which is negotiating its own trade deal with Beijing.

(In other words our LIE-beral overlords have run to Washington - to seek aid from the people who are sympathetic!! And our idiot LIE-berals HAVE NOT BOTHERED to whine to Red CHINA for fear of being LAUGHED OUT OF THE ROOM by the Beijing Butchers!! Idiot LIE-berals are refusing to admit who it is that we can most easily TRUST!! And it aint China- with its slave labourers and Draconian Plice State!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The results have been meager.

(Yes - Meager- as such efforts DESERVE TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

"It's a very challenging situation. When we raise it with the Americans they just say, 'Dealing with the Chinese is tough'," said a Canadian government source.

(Do LIE-berals wish to claim the RED Chinese are NOT TOUGH?? We are talking about a country that EMPLOYS SLAVE LABOUR!! WE are talking about a country that shoots political prisoners in the head and charges the grieving family for the BULLETS!! Tough does not fully describe the Red Chinese attitude compared to our effete and entitled LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

"It's also not clear who we should be targeting since you never know who is up and who is down in the administration at any given point," said the source, who requested anonymity given the sensitivity of the matter.

(Oh its VERY CLEAR who we should be targeting- just take a good look at who is stirring up trouble in the Middle East by screwing with United Nations sanctions!! And let us ask who it is that is dedicated to destroying the only real democracy in the benighted Middle East!!)

Among those the Canadians approached are Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and Republican Senator Jim Risch, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.

(Idiot LIE-berals are so dazed and confused they think YANKEES can influence Beijing!! If Yankees had real influence the trade war WOULD END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The State Department said it was "concerned" by the canola ban. In March, the Foreign Relations Committee responded to Canada's concerns by passing a bipartisan resolution supporting the country.

(What more could Washington do as they struggle to contain the militant Red Chinese?? Yankees are aware of and disgusted by the actions of the Beijing Bullies - which is why the trade war began in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Canada says the United States is obliged to help, given that the U.S. arrest warrant.
triggered the crisis with Beijing.

(To bad the Ottawa LIE-berals want to PRETEND that nuclear war between Tehran and Tel Aviv is NOT RELEVANT to Canada!! Such foolish naivety deserves considerable SCORN from all sides!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

U.S. negotiators have rejected Chinese proposals to include the Huawei issue in their current trade deal discussions, according to a source familiar with the negotiations.

(All of our allies have determined that the Tehran govt is INSANE due to its apparent willingness to dare nuclear war with Israel!! Either we support our allies and friends or we will be abandoned and scorned!! Ordinary Cdns are MORE WILLING to stand with United States than with Beijing!! LIE-berals are badly out of step with public opinion on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Canada's U.S. ambassador David MacNaughton, who noted Canada has assisted the current U.S. administration on diplomatic efforts with Venezuela, Latvia and NATO, strongly suggested future requests for aid would not be met so positively unless Washington cooperated more.

(Cdn assistance efforts with Venezuela and with NATO ARE A JOKE!! Our idiot Boy has grudgingly condemned the mess in Venezuela as a “failure of leadership” - when the TRUTH IS that it is a TYPICAL FAILURE of SOCIALISM and thus represents exactly the sort of Socialist CRAP that Trudope wants to impose on Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

"How do you go to canola farmers and relatives of the two (Canadian detainees) and say 'Well, actually, notwithstanding all of this, we're going to try and do whatever we can to help?'" he said.

(And how do you go to people suffering from Red Chinese BULLIES - and NOT MENTION that LIVING IN CHINA IS A STUPID THING TO DO_ because they are DICTATORS AND BULLIES!! Spavour and Kovrig have simply been caught up in Beijing BULLSH+T because they over stayed their welcome in a DANGEROUS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Cdns are discovering the hard way that a Cdn passport IS NOT ARMOUR!!!!!!!!)

"It makes it much more difficult in public opinion terms for the prime minister to have permission to do some of the things that would be in both countries' interests."

(What is in the best interests OF ALL COUNTRIES is to contain and limit both Chinese and Iranian aggression!! The only thing preventing China from invading Taiwan is the Yankee military and the only thing holding back Tehran from immediately building and deploying nuclear weapons is the U.N. sanctions - and the Yankee military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And Beijing has already provoked 5 other nations with land claims around the South China Sea- with Beijing unilaterally grabbing various islands and fortifying them in defiance of its less well armed neighbours!! Chinese behaviour in the Spratley Islands and other places graphically demonstrates the fate Canada would suffer if we did not support Yankees against Beijing Butchers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Most Cdns believe Israel HAS A RIGHT TO EXIST!! And most of us also believe Israel has a right to defend itself!! As usual Cdn LIE-berals are a minority and out of step with the public!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

MacNaughton, who has cabinet-level status in Trudeau's government, played a key role in negotiating a new North American trade deal last year.

(And the value of that trade deal is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NOTHING!! It has NOT been ratified by any of the participants!! It is not worth the paper it is printed on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Relations between Trump and Trudeau are formal at best. Officials in Ottawa have not forgotten that the president blew up last year's Group of Seven summit in Canada by describing Trudeau as very dishonest and weak.

(Cdn LIE-berals KNOW very well that Yankees are justifiably WORRIED about Muslim terror attacks -and yet right after election Our idiot Boy immediately imported 60,000 Syrian Muslims to Canada - from refugee camps - RUN BY HAMAS TERRORISTS - without the bother of any real security checks!! Thus Our idiot Boy has AIDED HAMAS in setting up future terror cells in North America with his vile immigration policy and now Our idiot wonders why Yankees don’t trust him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(In addition Our idiot Boy has been sending CDN AID to Hamas!! Given the LIE-beral arrogance and provocation on public display it is a near miracle that Cdns are still allowed entry to United States at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

"At the political level, this administration doesn't like us very much," said a second well-placed source.

(Gosh -LIE-berals don’t think being RUDE is aprovocation?? And considering the LIE-beral pollinjg numbers -there are LOT of Cdns who don’t like the LIE-berals EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Intertwined with the China crisis is a second problem: the tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum that Trump imposed last year on national security grounds.

(Too bad Cdn companies were playing fast and loose with import laws and aiding Chinese companies in dumping Chinese products in North America!! And it does not help that LIE-berals have allowed Canada to become the criminal money laundering capitol of the world!! Again LIE-berals REALLY MUST DECIDE whose side they are on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Meng, who is under house arrest at her Vancouver mansion, next appears in court on May 8 ahead of an extradition hearing, in a process that could take years.

(That an extradition trial would take “years” under LIE-beral direction is MADNESS!! Yankees want her -and her Huawei company is NOTORIOUS among our allies for its SPYWARE!! GET RID OF MENG!! Put her on the first plane to Washington!! Again our idiot LIE-berals must decide WHOSE SIDE they are on- and they should NOT chose China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

MacNaughton said part of Canada's frustration also stems from a lack of information on U.S. intentions toward Meng. Trump has previously suggested the charges against her could be dropped if that would help the trade talks.

(WHY DO LIE-berals worry about Meng so much especially when the alternative is an Iranian nuclear war?? This is a Yankee investigation - which Cdn authorities DO NOT have the resources to verify!! Thus once Meng is passed to Washington -it becomes THEIR PROBLEM at the White House!!!!!!!!!!)

"What we've said is, 'We'd like to have a little better sense of what your plans are in terms of dealing with her. Are you engaged in negotiations over a plea deal?'," he said. "We're completely in the dark."

(Given the waffling of support for core NATO goals and ideals- there is NO JUSTIFICATION for telling Our idiot Boy much of anything -for fear the LIE-beral ASSHAT will tell the ENTIRE Yankee game plan to the Beijing Butchers!!!)
Additional reporting by Chris Prentice and David Brunnstrom in Washington; Editing by Amran Abocar and Lisa Shumaker

(With the reporting nicely spiced with LIE-beral propaganda and LIE-beral political WHINING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
spilledthebeer
#1289
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.eenews.net/energywire/stories/1060727769

ELECTRIC VEHICLES
EVs could make 80% of gas stations unprofitable — report
David Iaconangelo, E&E News reporter

Published: Friday, July 12, 2019
The rise of electric vehicles may cause gas stations to shutter across much of the country and force others to reshape their business model, according to a report by the Boston Consulting Group.

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what is going to happen is that as time goes by there will be fewer and fewer places to buy gasoline.

this will lead to range anxiety among the people who have to still drive those legacy vehicles.




OH YES hemerHOID....................................


electric TOY cars COULD take over the roadways.....................................


and in OTHER NEWS...............................


Donald Trump COULD be anointed Emperor of the Universe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then get TURFED OUT OF OFFICE......................................


for failing to show up to be Crowned........................................... ......................


because the Tesla he was riding in................................................ .........................


to his Coronation........................................ .


LACKED THE RANGE to get him there in proper time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So he missed his chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hoid
#1290
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Not in our life time!

Not in your generation perhaps