Is Social Media making us Stupider


Johnnny
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Old article with some good points

Social Media Is Making You Stupid | Time

Quote:

Social media, we all know, can make you unproductive. If you’re indiscreet or offensive, it can complicate your relationships. But can it also make you downright dumb?

That’s what a new study published in the Journal of the Royal Society Interface suggests. How can spending more time on Facebook or Twitter end up making us stupider?

It’s not just that all those hours clicking crops in Farmville and the like simply represnts time that could be spent, say, reading a book and actually learning something. The greater problem seems to be the human tendency to copy others.

Can You Copycat Your Way to Intelligence?
To come to this conclusion, the scientists created five artificial social networks made up of volunteers. Some connected their members in a tight net, where everyone was in contact with everyone else. Others kept the participants more separate. They then tasked the participants with answering a tricky set of brainteasers. Were those who were more socially connected more or less likely to figure out the right answers?

In the short term, more connections yielded more right answers, but not because members were learning. Nope, they were just stealing.

“The researchers found that in well connected networks volunteers…got better at giving the right answer the more times they were asked and the more opportunities they had to steal their neighbours’ answers,” Phys.org reports. “This result showed that when the students had lots of connections to peers they could recognise where they had given a wrong answer and swap it for the right one.”

But did copying smarter social connections improve participants’ ability to figure out the answers independently? In short, no. Given a fresh question, the copycats performed no better than when they first joined the social network.

The Good News–and the Bad
The results offer encouragement for both fans and critics of social networks. If you look at things on the group level, there is reason for cheer. “Being able to copy from other people in vast networks means analytical responses rapidly spread, fulfilling their promise of improved decision-making for well-connected people,” says Phys.org.

But for individuals, the implications are less positive. Social networking probably isn’t making you smarter. In fact, it could be making you dumber by supplying answers and insights without requiring any actual thinking, so that your analytic powers begin to waste away like an unused muscle.

Or as the research team puts it: “On the other hand, the bias may very well decrease the frequency of analytical reasoning by making it easy and commonplace for people to reach analytical response without engaging analytical processing.” In the long-term, they warn, “increased connectivity may eventually make us stupid by making us smarter first.”

 
Curious Cdn
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Hunh?
 
spilledthebeer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Hunh?

Here is an article illustrating the LIE-beral enthusiasm for Fake News that distorts reality and twists logic into something surreal!

There is CLEARLY too much diplomacy in govt. How else to explain WHY Ontari-owe Conservatives such as Jack MacLaren are just now picking up on a piece of shameless LIE-beral policy that has been public knowledge for YEARS! Set out below is the column MacLaren wrote for the Sun along with some comments of my own in brackets):

Ontario green policies actually driving up carbon dioxide
Jack MacLaren, Special to the Toronto Sun. First posted: Thursday, December 01, 2016 05:14 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, December 01, 2016 05:33 PM EST

The Ontario Liberals’ Green Energy Act is meant to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by generating power from wind turbines and solar panels. We already know this has turned into a wasteful boondoggle — just look at your hydro bill. But there’s another problem with the Green Energy Act, which I was shocked to learn about.

(There is a further issue being ignored here-related to hydro bills-LIE-berals have made HUGE and COSTLY promises to civil service union Hogs and these IOU`s have to be paid for somehow or else LIE-berals will suffer at election time-so they HIDE their electricity price gouging and union vote buying inside your hydro bills! Its why they sold off a SMALL portion of Hydro and then closed the books ENTIRELY to the public and to public auditors-NOBODY is allowed to know what LIE-berals have done with the extra thirty seven billion dollars that auditor Bonnie Lysyk says they have gouged us from us so far! And WHO bought that Hydro stock? Friends of LIE-berals-every one!)

A 2015 report from the Ontario Society of Professional Engineers (OSPE) makes the alarming case that Ontario green energy policy is actually driving up carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.

Wind and solar energy seem like good, clean sources of energy. But wind power is intermittent, and about 40% of the generated power arrives when load demand is low. Solar energy is also intermittent and capacity is very low. All this means that wind and solar power are expensive and unreliable.

Basically, windmills and solar panels only produce power when the wind blows and the sun shines. They need backup in the form of other power sources to provide constant electricity when you need it. Ontario has gone with natural gas backup because that is the cheapest source of energy currently available. Other options were available, including nuclear and hydro plants, but natural gas was chosen.

This is unfortunate because nuclear and hydro do not emit CO2, but natural gas does. So as we dial down nuclear and hydro, we are doubling up on CO2 emissions from natural gas.

(What MacLaren overlooks is that it takes THREE DAYS to cycle up-and three MORE days to cycle DOWN a nuclear reactor-fully on to fully off or vice versa-thee days each way! Nuclear power simply cannot respond INSTANTLY to fluctuations in green energy. And govt NEEDS all the water power it can get-to offset the obscene prices being paid to FRIENDS of LIE-beral Party for their mouldy green energy! That leaves only natural gas fueled plants-kept at full steam-they are essentially STEAM driven generators-all day, every day, ready to swing into action whenever the wind don’t blow or the sun don`t shine. Green energy saves NOTHING-not the environment and certainly NOT tax payer cash!)

According to OSPE, Ontario currently produces electricity at less than 40 grams of CO2 per kWh. But wind and solar with natural gas backup release about 200 grams of CO2 per kWh.

Now, the trouble of building all the windmills and solar panels wouldn’t be so bad if it were actually worthwhile. But it isn’t. We do not have a cheap and effective way of storing the energy generated by wind and solar power. Simply put, storage is too expensive at the moment.

Adding solar and wind power to the Ontario grid just doesn’t make environmental or economic sense. Continuing to add wind and solar can only be justified on ideological grounds.

(MacLaren is right-LIE-berals are ideologically DRIVEN to offer up energy deals to their friends and allies! It is not ordinary tax payers who own those massive wind mills and the eye sore solar farms that have been forced into the lives of country residents! And who does own those monstrosities? Just run your fingers down the `sunshine list` of high govt earners and union Hogs! All that green energy is just LIE-berals doing what they do best-THEY BUY FRIENDS AND VOTES-and then LIE about the logic afterwards!)

(And for those who want to point out that some of those Big Wind monsters are owned by CAW-well sure-back in 2008, LIE-berals under Dalton McGinty saw a chance to BUY more votes and so GUARANTEED that they would not let CAW pension plan go bankrupt-not even if GM pulled out of Canada entirely! And how better to save CAW pensions than by giving them a RICH source of moudly green income! So what if LIE-berals have to LIE about the justification and too bad that Cdn tax payers think they are being gouged on electricity cost! All that matters is that LIE-berals get votes. We certainly cannot rely on GM to save itself by building good cars- IN CANADA- that the public WANTS to buy!!!)

Admittedly, the Wynne government announced a halt to further wind and solar contracts. I’m not sure how long they’ll put their ideology on hold, but this is a short-term solution anyway.

(LIE-berals can be counted on to RE-THINK their ENTIRE POLITICAL STRATEGY AFTER the next election in 2018. It wont matter if they win or lose-after 2018 it’s a new ball game! If LIE-berals win its because they have sold their souls to civil service union Hogs and will be taxing and revenue tooling us to death to pay for those promises-and then seeking creative new ways to renege on the promises after our economy starts to collapse because reality dictates we just don’t have the money to pay those promises! If LIE-berals lose that next election then look for a fantastic wave of labour unrest in all levels of govt as Hogs seek revenge on those who are trying to deny them gravy!)

We need to use more of our cheaper hydroelectric and nuclear power. And we need to stop exporting power abroad at low prices.

(Dimwit MacLaren really NEEDS to pay more attention to the electricity file-WE HAVE NO MORE HYDRO CAPACITY in Ontari-owe! There IS MASSIVE un-used hydro potential in Quebec-but that would require a major expansion of the James Bay Hydro station-which cannot currently be done as natives are blocking that project and govt-especially LIE-beral govt does not want to start world war three with natives. There is also the environmental reality of building the largest hydro dam on the planet-in a location FAR from major hydro users-and its COSTLY and difficult to ship electricity such long distances. When the Great Whale expansion of James Bay hydro was proposed, the LIE-beral Chretien govt was reluctant to get involved in complex political negotiations for the project-the James Bay power station is in Labrador but most of the area to be flooded is in Quebec and Chretien did not wish to deal with extortion minded separatists!)

(AS for exporting electricity abroad-under the insane terms of LIE-beral green energy contracts, LIE-berals are COMMITTED to buying ALL green energy that is produced by LIE-beral `friends` and that means electricity must be dumped some place-such as in United States at prices below what it cost to produce! LIE-berals had a chance to escape from the worst of the green energy deal as their `partners` had failed to meet several qualifications but LIE-berals renewed the deal anyway-with only some minor revisions and modest fiscal penalties!)

We all want to do the right thing for our environment and we all want clean air to breathe and water to drink. I sincerely believe it is important we strive for a cleaner and safer future.

But no one likes being misled or lied to. The Ontario Liberal government’s Green Energy Act is an environmental and economic disaster. As both a farmer and a civil engineer, I know about protecting the environment as well as long-term sustainability. Farming teaches you to understand the risks and benefits of co-operating with Mother Nature. Similarly, engineers are required to build things: We build things to last, and we do so in the public interest.

So I think most Ontarians would agree with me when I say that we need to have affordable, clean, reliable, and sustainable sources of energy which do not increase CO2.

Unfortunately the Green Energy Act just hasn’t got it right.

(And I say its ABOUT TIME you publicly said so!)

— MacLaren is the MPP for Carleton-Mississippi Mills
 
Hoof Hearted
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#4
Social media like Twitter lacks depth, nuance, critical thinking, patience, degrees of thought... etc.

So I'd say yeah, it is making everyone stupider. That's why I hang out on this forum and shoo the mainstream outlets. I like everyone's take on the current events of the day on this site....the good, the bad, and the fabulous!
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by avro24 View Post

Social media is helping Putin win forgien elections.

Maybe people are just stupid to begin with especially if people believed that the Pope endorsed Donald trump which was a thing apparently on Facebook.
 
DaSleeper
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by avro24 View Post

Social media is helping Putin win forgien elections.

When did you join the tin foil club?
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Here is an article illustrating the LIE-beral enthusiasm for Fake News that distorts reality and twists logic into something surreal!

There is CLEARLY too much diplomacy in govt. How else to explain WHY Ontari-owe Conservatives such as Jack MacLaren are just now picking up on a piece of shameless LIE-beral policy that has been public knowledge for YEARS! Set out below is the column MacLaren wrote for the Sun along with some comments of my own in brackets):

Ontario green policies actually driving up carbon dioxide
Jack MacLaren, Special to the Toronto Sun. First posted: Thursday, December 01, 2016 05:14 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, December 01, 2016 05:33 PM EST

The Ontario Liberals’ Green Energy Act is meant to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by generating power from wind turbines and solar panels. We already know this has turned into a wasteful boondoggle — just look at your hydro bill. But there’s another problem with the Green Energy Act, which I was shocked to learn about.

(There is a further issue being ignored here-related to hydro bills-LIE-berals have made HUGE and COSTLY promises to civil service union Hogs and these IOU`s have to be paid for somehow or else LIE-berals will suffer at election time-so they HIDE their electricity price gouging and union vote buying inside your hydro bills! Its why they sold off a SMALL portion of Hydro and then closed the books ENTIRELY to the public and to public auditors-NOBODY is allowed to know what LIE-berals have done with the extra thirty seven billion dollars that auditor Bonnie Lysyk says they have gouged us from us so far! And WHO bought that Hydro stock? Friends of LIE-berals-every one!)

A 2015 report from the Ontario Society of Professional Engineers (OSPE) makes the alarming case that Ontario green energy policy is actually driving up carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.

Wind and solar energy seem like good, clean sources of energy. But wind power is intermittent, and about 40% of the generated power arrives when load demand is low. Solar energy is also intermittent and capacity is very low. All this means that wind and solar power are expensive and unreliable.

Basically, windmills and solar panels only produce power when the wind blows and the sun shines. They need backup in the form of other power sources to provide constant electricity when you need it. Ontario has gone with natural gas backup because that is the cheapest source of energy currently available. Other options were available, including nuclear and hydro plants, but natural gas was chosen.

This is unfortunate because nuclear and hydro do not emit CO2, but natural gas does. So as we dial down nuclear and hydro, we are doubling up on CO2 emissions from natural gas.

(What MacLaren overlooks is that it takes THREE DAYS to cycle up-and three MORE days to cycle DOWN a nuclear reactor-fully on to fully off or vice versa-thee days each way! Nuclear power simply cannot respond INSTANTLY to fluctuations in green energy. And govt NEEDS all the water power it can get-to offset the obscene prices being paid to FRIENDS of LIE-beral Party for their mouldy green energy! That leaves only natural gas fueled plants-kept at full steam-they are essentially STEAM driven generators-all day, every day, ready to swing into action whenever the wind don’t blow or the sun don`t shine. Green energy saves NOTHING-not the environment and certainly NOT tax payer cash!)

According to OSPE, Ontario currently produces electricity at less than 40 grams of CO2 per kWh. But wind and solar with natural gas backup release about 200 grams of CO2 per kWh.

Now, the trouble of building all the windmills and solar panels wouldn’t be so bad if it were actually worthwhile. But it isn’t. We do not have a cheap and effective way of storing the energy generated by wind and solar power. Simply put, storage is too expensive at the moment.

Adding solar and wind power to the Ontario grid just doesn’t make environmental or economic sense. Continuing to add wind and solar can only be justified on ideological grounds.

(MacLaren is right-LIE-berals are ideologically DRIVEN to offer up energy deals to their friends and allies! It is not ordinary tax payers who own those massive wind mills and the eye sore solar farms that have been forced into the lives of country residents! And who does own those monstrosities? Just run your fingers down the `sunshine list` of high govt earners and union Hogs! All that green energy is just LIE-berals doing what they do best-THEY BUY FRIENDS AND VOTES-and then LIE about the logic afterwards!)

(And for those who want to point out that some of those Big Wind monsters are owned by CAW-well sure-back in 2008, LIE-berals under Dalton McGinty saw a chance to BUY more votes and so GUARANTEED that they would not let CAW pension plan go bankrupt-not even if GM pulled out of Canada entirely! And how better to save CAW pensions than by giving them a RICH source of moudly green income! So what if LIE-berals have to LIE about the justification and too bad that Cdn tax payers think they are being gouged on electricity cost! All that matters is that LIE-berals get votes. We certainly cannot rely on GM to save itself by building good cars- IN CANADA- that the public WANTS to buy!!!)

Admittedly, the Wynne government announced a halt to further wind and solar contracts. I’m not sure how long they’ll put their ideology on hold, but this is a short-term solution anyway.

(LIE-berals can be counted on to RE-THINK their ENTIRE POLITICAL STRATEGY AFTER the next election in 2018. It wont matter if they win or lose-after 2018 it’s a new ball game! If LIE-berals win its because they have sold their souls to civil service union Hogs and will be taxing and revenue tooling us to death to pay for those promises-and then seeking creative new ways to renege on the promises after our economy starts to collapse because reality dictates we just don’t have the money to pay those promises! If LIE-berals lose that next election then look for a fantastic wave of labour unrest in all levels of govt as Hogs seek revenge on those who are trying to deny them gravy!)

We need to use more of our cheaper hydroelectric and nuclear power. And we need to stop exporting power abroad at low prices.

(Dimwit MacLaren really NEEDS to pay more attention to the electricity file-WE HAVE NO MORE HYDRO CAPACITY in Ontari-owe! There IS MASSIVE un-used hydro potential in Quebec-but that would require a major expansion of the James Bay Hydro station-which cannot currently be done as natives are blocking that project and govt-especially LIE-beral govt does not want to start world war three with natives. There is also the environmental reality of building the largest hydro dam on the planet-in a location FAR from major hydro users-and its COSTLY and difficult to ship electricity such long distances. When the Great Whale expansion of James Bay hydro was proposed, the LIE-beral Chretien govt was reluctant to get involved in complex political negotiations for the project-the James Bay power station is in Labrador but most of the area to be flooded is in Quebec and Chretien did not wish to deal with extortion minded separatists!)

(AS for exporting electricity abroad-under the insane terms of LIE-beral green energy contracts, LIE-berals are COMMITTED to buying ALL green energy that is produced by LIE-beral `friends` and that means electricity must be dumped some place-such as in United States at prices below what it cost to produce! LIE-berals had a chance to escape from the worst of the green energy deal as their `partners` had failed to meet several qualifications but LIE-berals renewed the deal anyway-with only some minor revisions and modest fiscal penalties!)

We all want to do the right thing for our environment and we all want clean air to breathe and water to drink. I sincerely believe it is important we strive for a cleaner and safer future.

But no one likes being misled or lied to. The Ontario Liberal government’s Green Energy Act is an environmental and economic disaster. As both a farmer and a civil engineer, I know about protecting the environment as well as long-term sustainability. Farming teaches you to understand the risks and benefits of co-operating with Mother Nature. Similarly, engineers are required to build things: We build things to last, and we do so in the public interest.

So I think most Ontarians would agree with me when I say that we need to have affordable, clean, reliable, and sustainable sources of energy which do not increase CO2.

Unfortunately the Green Energy Act just hasn’t got it right.

(And I say its ABOUT TIME you publicly said so!)

— MacLaren is the MPP for Carleton-Mississippi Mills

Hunh?
 
Murphy
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My take on that, Johnny, is that news and events are reduced to a sound bite or a short Twitter response. People read tweets or FB posts, and respond in kind. Critical thinking and common sense go out the window, as people try to come up with something short and witty in response. Or worse, to jump on a trashing bandwagon.

The world continues to evolve.
 
spilledthebeer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

My take on that, Johnny, is that news and events are reduced to a sound bite or a short Twitter response. People read tweets or FB posts, and respond in kind. Critical thinking and common sense go out the window, as people try to come up with something short and witty in response. Or worse, to jump on a trashing bandwagon.

The world continues to evolve.

HAHAHAQHAHA!!!! Some deluded fool wants to suggest that social media is helping Putin win Yankee elections! What a Maroon!

Go watch that old movie called "The Falcon and the Snowman" in which Yankee meddling in the AUSTRALIAN ELECTION is exposed!

The FBI apparently knew for A YEAR prior to the Trump election that Russian agents were sniffing around Washington- and DID NOTHING! President Obama has admitted knowing the Russians were sniffing around at least FIVE MONTHS PRIOR to the Trump election!

THE MOST SENIOR PEOPLE IN YANKEE GOVT IGNORED RUSSIAN MEDDLING! This has nothing to do with social media and everything to do with bigotry and political GREED!
 
Hoid
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Social media is the largest confluence of idiots ever invented.
 
spilledthebeer
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Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

HAHAHAQHAHA!!!! Some deluded fool wants to suggest that social media is helping Putin win Yankee elections! What a Maroon!

Go watch that old movie called "The Falcon and the Snowman" in which Yankee meddling in the AUSTRALIAN ELECTION is exposed!

The FBI apparently knew for A YEAR prior to the Trump election that Russian agents were sniffing around Washington- and DID NOTHING! President Obama has admitted knowing the Russians were sniffing around at least FIVE MONTHS PRIOR to the Trump election!

THE MOST SENIOR PEOPLE IN YANKEE GOVT IGNORED RUSSIAN MEDDLING! This has nothing to do with social media and everything to do with bigotry and political GREED!

In addition some dign dongs want to suggest that social media lacks depth or nuance or some such crap! Social media has EXACTLY as much values as its creator desires- the honest poster produces honest results- the LIE-beral poster spews fake news like a super charged manure spreader!
 
Curious Cdn
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#12
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

In addition some dign dongs want to suggest that social media lacks depth or nuance or some such crap! Social media has EXACTLY as much values as its creator desires- the honest poster produces honest results- the LIE-beral poster spews fake news like a super charged manure spreader!

You are right, of course. Social media manipulation can't get someone elected. It takes tens of millions of compliant hillbilly Zombies with drool dripping off of their chins to do that.
 
spilledthebeer
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Social media is the largest confluence of idiots ever invented.

If what you are saying is true Hoid then why are YOU on it? Oh.....wait.....rhetorical question!
 
spilledthebeer
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

Old article with some good points

Social Media Is Making You Stupid | Time

Oh my! SOME social media is REAL STUPID! Or maybe it is just too analytical? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
Murphy
#15
Valium, avro. Take your Valium.
 
Johnnny
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A bit of a conspiracy theory here from my part so here i go.

What do you guys think about the possibility of subliminal messaging on social media?

For example a government or corporation comes out with a new written report, whether it be a policy change or a quarterly update. They spend a lot of money on the cover page and fancy wording in the body of the report while the real details are in the footnotes. Fancy wording like passing off revenue as profits for example, which are then clarified in footnotes.

We all know that the majority of people don't read the footnotes in what they read, heck even im guilty of that sometimes. Like who wants to flip to the back of the book or a report for clarification...

Its of my opinion that social media is like the cover page of the report i mentioned and that the footnotes are the research you have to do on your own which is a similar process to flipping to the back of a book for the footnotes.

So people constantly get bombarded by these "cover pages" online and in the end everyone has the same opinion about a topic, because how can a person with a 1000+ followers be wrong. Then subsequently people see that a majority believe this persons opinion and then copy that opinion into their own.

And next thing you know everyone is following the leader.

I dunno, maybe i'm wrong.
Last edited by Johnnny; Feb 11th, 2018 at 04:36 PM..
 
Curious Cdn
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

A bit of a conspiracy theory here from my part so here i go.

What do you guys think about the possibility of subliminal messaging on social media?

For example a government or corporation comes out with a new written report, whether it be a policy change or a quarterly update. They spend a lot of money on the cover page and fancy wording in the body of the report while the real details are in the footnotes. Fancy wording like passing off revenue as profits for example, which are then clarified in footnotes.

We all know that the majority of people don't read the footnotes in what they read, heck even im guilty of that sometimes. Like who wants to flip to the back of the book or a report for clarification...

Its of my opinion that social media is like the cover page of the report i mentioned and that the footnotes are the research you have to do on your own which is a similar process to flipping to the back of a book for the footnotes.

So people constantly get bombarded by these "cover pages" online and in the end everyone has the same opinion about a topic, because how can a person with a 1000+ followers be wrong. Then subsequently people see that a majority believe this persons opinion and then copy that opinion into their own.

And next thing you know everyone is following the leader.

I dunno, maybe i'm wrong.

The Russians are banking on all of the above.

This appears to be a part of "real" 21st Century cyber warfare, this constant confusion and disinformation.
 
Johnnny
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#18
Its not just the Russians that are doing it.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

Its not just the Russians that are doing it.

They seems to be experts at it.
 
Hoid
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#20
There is a difference between hacking and state sponsored hacking.
 
Johnnny
#21
Not talking about hacking
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

Not talking about hacking

Social media is merely another form of advertising- some good and informative and some merely crap designed to suck you in. The major problem is with the politically motivated LIARS- mostly on the left of the political spectrum that are splashing their socialist anti white anti democracy fake news all over the web.

Blaming social media for foolish public choices is like blaming GM for drunk drivers!

The lesser problem is that too many people now lack the education to choose between fake news and reality! I have already posted atricles illustrating how few \black kids actually have the skill to work at a high school graduate level- and this is killing their job hopes and blighting their future! In their rage and ignorance and frustration they foolishly blame white "racists" for THEIR troubles!

Now I present an article illustrating how LIE-beral policy ins ensuring that Ontari-owe kids are being short changed on education:


Here is an article explaining why your kid cannot read. With some comments of my own in brackets)”

Principal accused of literacy test tampering sign of larger problem: Experts

Canadian Press: Published: January 5, 2018. Updated: January 5, 2018 2:55 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Ontario

A former high school principal is facing charges of professional misconduct after being accused of tampering with Ontario’s literacy test.

The Ontario College of Teachers said it conducted an investigation and found that some students were called back to the school to complete parts of the Ontario Secondary School Literacy Test in March 2016 after it was supposed to be concluded.

Christine Vellinga, who was then a principal with the Simcoe Muskoka Catholic District School Board, is accused of reviewing test booklets to find incomplete tests, and telling certain staff members to do the same.

(And why would the tests be incomplete? Because the kids do not read well enough to finish in the allotted time period! This is NOT a new problem! In his book Freakonomics, economist Stephen Levitt details his experiences from 1996 as he struggled to sort out cheats from honest teachers in a first real test of academic standards in the Chicago school system. Levitt devised methods of identifying teachers who had falsified test results- with the result that in the first year of testing over 25 percent of all the kids had to re-do the tests- to produce HONEST results and 25 percent of teachers were strongly cautioned about their behaviour and another 5 percent were outright FIRED for cheating on class academic standards!)

A notice of a disciplinary committee hearing from the college alleges Vellinga called 21 students back to school to complete portions of the test they had missed, directing them to specific parts of the booklet — and asked the acting vice-principal to do the same.

The college didn’t name the school Vellinga worked at, but noted that she has since been demoted to a vice-principal and was suspended without pay for 20 days.

Vellinga is also accused of not ensuring that students were properly supervised while in possession of the test and allegedly telling one student, “you were never here.”

(“The students were not properly supervised” during the testing process- and this suggests that the kids might have been encouraged to share answers and etc in order to get a higher score?)

(IT is an open secret that the number of Ontari-owe kids designated as having “learning disabilities” that conveniently disqualify them from having to display their unhappy ignorance on an Ontari-owe literacy test is SOARING as educators struggle to hide how bad things are getting!)

She is expected to appear before a disciplinary committee later this month. Her lawyer did not respond to a request for comment.

Also accused in the case are the acting vice-principal, as well as a teacher who allegedly helped determine which students had not completed the tests. Andrew Burke, the acting vice-principal, was suspended by the school board without pay for 10 days, and Gregory Quinn was suspended for five days. Dates for their disciplinary hearings have not been announced.

(The leftist Toronto tabloid Now Magazine printed a number of letters- written about 15 years ago- apparently from Yankee teachers dealing with the US school testing system and explaining how THEY cheated! Yankee tests were done late in the school year and then younger teachers- the ones still low on the pay scale and wanting extra money would be hired to “mark” the tests- and mark they did! Letter writers to the magazine claimed they were not closely supervised while doing the marking and they often changed answers for the kids benefit or simply marked a certain number of answers as correct regardless of the truth!)

Representatives for the school board and lawyers for Burke and Quinn did not respond to requests for comment.

One piece of a ‘data tapestry’

The Education Quality and Accountability Office, which creates and administers the test, conducted an investigation into the alleged tampering, and found that it did in fact happen. As a result, it withheld the school’s results of that year’s tests from its reports.

The EQAO says the results of the tests are used to produce annual school board reports and to track children’s progress throughout their schooling.

Steven Reid, EQAO’s Chief Assessment Officer, said the test results are one piece of a “data tapestry,” woven together with information from different sources to evaluate school performance. He said EQAO data shouldn’t be taken alone as a marker of a school or school board’s success or failure.

But some experts say Vellinga’s case highlights a broader problem with how administrators see the role of EQAO tests.

Administrators ‘feeling pressure to be great’

(Pressure to be GREAT? HAHAHAHA!!!!! Teachers are feeling the pressure to make sure kids actually DO learn something in school! Teachers are feeling the pressure to HIDE how badly some kids are doing because LIE-berals do not wish to admit that a few bad apples can drag an entire class down with their disruptions! Teachers are feeling the pressure to hide just how many kids come to school with attitudes that dictate that learning anything means “selling out to white society”! Teachers are feeling pressure to hide just how many kids don’t get enough to eat in our tax mad and debt crippled economy! Teachers are feeling the pressure to hide the reality that our “child centred learning system” with its focus on building the kids ego rather than ensuring facility with language and math has not been exposed as a fraud! Teachers are feeling the pressure to HIDE the reality that “learning by rote”- meaning dull but effective memory work is the ONLY way to ensure good basic math, grammar and spelling skills!)

“Unfortunately, sometimes, depending on the school board or superintendent or even a principal, they’re feeling pressure to be great in terms of what the results are,” said Charles Pascal, a professor at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education at the University of Toronto and a former chair of the EQAO.

(Unfortunately- sometimes due to the presence of radical reverse racists groups- bad parenting is blamed on poor teachers with the result that LIE-berals are trying to “dumb down” the curriculum to enure that more kids APPEAR to be succeeding in school! This is one reason why Toronto District School Board is discussing the abolition of “programs for gifted kids” as they do NOT want people making unhappy comparisons about wildly differing academic performance between classes and between schools and between different ethnic groups!)

“Sometimes because of leadership and how the purpose of the testing is conveyed, people and individual teachers feel a pressure that they shouldn’t be feeling.”

Some of the pressure could come from the fact that EQAO results are made public, Pascal suggested.

(If the test results are NOT made public then they are USELESS! The EQAO standardized testing was implemented to protect parents and kids from lazy and unscrupulous teachers more interested in their Hog gravy than in the kids dumped in their care- some teachers view our kids as cash cows to be MILKED!)

He noted that EQAO results are often used by real estate agents in advertising different neighbourhoods, which puts great pressure on schools to perform well.

It is natural, however, that school administrators would want to do well on the tests, said Don Klinger, a professor of education at Queen’s University who has worked as a consultant and on various panels for the EQAO.

“We should be striving to do the best for our teachers and for our students that we work with,” he said. “There’s different ways of tipping the scale in your favour. Some are legitimate — one’s called ’good teaching.”’

(“Good teaching” is more likely to make an appearance if militant unions get shoved out of schools, if burned out teachers get sidelined, if learning by rote is restored to respectable status rather than letting kids fart around with calculators that ensure they do not learn math basics, if LIE-beral immigration policy is tightened up to ensure that people with hopeless language or learning problems are not allowed to come here- at this time I think of convicted 2 time killer Rohan Ranger who came here at age 12 from an English speaking country- yet was illiterate in his native tongue and was STILL illiterate when he dropped out of school at age 16 and began his “career’ as a drug dealer and eventual KILLER!)
 
YoungCDNGuy
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#23
I don't know about making us stupider but I definitely think it's making us unhappier. Much more procrastination and comparing selves to others takes place on Social Media (especially for millennials)
 
Hoof Hearted
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#24
Good point, YCG.

And welcome to the forum!
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by avro24 View Post

Social media is helping Putin win forgien elections.

didn't help him get Clintons back into the whitehouse.

Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Social media is merely another form of advertising- some good and informative and some merely crap designed to suck you in. The major problem is with the politically motivated LIARS- mostly on the left of the political spectrum that are splashing their socialist anti white anti democracy fake news all over the web.

Blaming social media for foolish public choices is like blaming GM for drunk drivers!

The lesser problem is that too many people now lack the education to choose between fake news and reality! I have already posted atricles illustrating how few \black kids actually have the skill to work at a high school graduate level- and this is killing their job hopes and blighting their future! In their rage and ignorance and frustration they foolishly blame white "racists" for THEIR troubles!

Now I present an article illustrating how LIE-beral policy ins ensuring that Ontari-owe kids are being short changed on education:


Here is an article explaining why your kid cannot read. With some comments of my own in brackets)”

Principal accused of literacy test tampering sign of larger problem: Experts

Canadian Press: Published: January 5, 2018. Updated: January 5, 2018 2:55 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Ontario

A former high school principal is facing charges of professional misconduct after being accused of tampering with Ontario’s literacy test.

The Ontario College of Teachers said it conducted an investigation and found that some students were called back to the school to complete parts of the Ontario Secondary School Literacy Test in March 2016 after it was supposed to be concluded.

Christine Vellinga, who was then a principal with the Simcoe Muskoka Catholic District School Board, is accused of reviewing test booklets to find incomplete tests, and telling certain staff members to do the same.

(And why would the tests be incomplete? Because the kids do not read well enough to finish in the allotted time period! This is NOT a new problem! In his book Freakonomics, economist Stephen Levitt details his experiences from 1996 as he struggled to sort out cheats from honest teachers in a first real test of academic standards in the Chicago school system. Levitt devised methods of identifying teachers who had falsified test results- with the result that in the first year of testing over 25 percent of all the kids had to re-do the tests- to produce HONEST results and 25 percent of teachers were strongly cautioned about their behaviour and another 5 percent were outright FIRED for cheating on class academic standards!)

A notice of a disciplinary committee hearing from the college alleges Vellinga called 21 students back to school to complete portions of the test they had missed, directing them to specific parts of the booklet — and asked the acting vice-principal to do the same.

The college didn’t name the school Vellinga worked at, but noted that she has since been demoted to a vice-principal and was suspended without pay for 20 days.

Vellinga is also accused of not ensuring that students were properly supervised while in possession of the test and allegedly telling one student, “you were never here.”

(“The students were not properly supervised” during the testing process- and this suggests that the kids might have been encouraged to share answers and etc in order to get a higher score?)

(IT is an open secret that the number of Ontari-owe kids designated as having “learning disabilities” that conveniently disqualify them from having to display their unhappy ignorance on an Ontari-owe literacy test is SOARING as educators struggle to hide how bad things are getting!)

She is expected to appear before a disciplinary committee later this month. Her lawyer did not respond to a request for comment.

Also accused in the case are the acting vice-principal, as well as a teacher who allegedly helped determine which students had not completed the tests. Andrew Burke, the acting vice-principal, was suspended by the school board without pay for 10 days, and Gregory Quinn was suspended for five days. Dates for their disciplinary hearings have not been announced.

(The leftist Toronto tabloid Now Magazine printed a number of letters- written about 15 years ago- apparently from Yankee teachers dealing with the US school testing system and explaining how THEY cheated! Yankee tests were done late in the school year and then younger teachers- the ones still low on the pay scale and wanting extra money would be hired to “mark” the tests- and mark they did! Letter writers to the magazine claimed they were not closely supervised while doing the marking and they often changed answers for the kids benefit or simply marked a certain number of answers as correct regardless of the truth!)

Representatives for the school board and lawyers for Burke and Quinn did not respond to requests for comment.

One piece of a ‘data tapestry’

The Education Quality and Accountability Office, which creates and administers the test, conducted an investigation into the alleged tampering, and found that it did in fact happen. As a result, it withheld the school’s results of that year’s tests from its reports.

The EQAO says the results of the tests are used to produce annual school board reports and to track children’s progress throughout their schooling.

Steven Reid, EQAO’s Chief Assessment Officer, said the test results are one piece of a “data tapestry,” woven together with information from different sources to evaluate school performance. He said EQAO data shouldn’t be taken alone as a marker of a school or school board’s success or failure.

But some experts say Vellinga’s case highlights a broader problem with how administrators see the role of EQAO tests.

Administrators ‘feeling pressure to be great’

(Pressure to be GREAT? HAHAHAHA!!!!! Teachers are feeling the pressure to make sure kids actually DO learn something in school! Teachers are feeling the pressure to HIDE how badly some kids are doing because LIE-berals do not wish to admit that a few bad apples can drag an entire class down with their disruptions! Teachers are feeling the pressure to hide just how many kids come to school with attitudes that dictate that learning anything means “selling out to white society”! Teachers are feeling pressure to hide just how many kids don’t get enough to eat in our tax mad and debt crippled economy! Teachers are feeling the pressure to hide the reality that our “child centred learning system” with its focus on building the kids ego rather than ensuring facility with language and math has not been exposed as a fraud! Teachers are feeling the pressure to HIDE the reality that “learning by rote”- meaning dull but effective memory work is the ONLY way to ensure good basic math, grammar and spelling skills!)

“Unfortunately, sometimes, depending on the school board or superintendent or even a principal, they’re feeling pressure to be great in terms of what the results are,” said Charles Pascal, a professor at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education at the University of Toronto and a former chair of the EQAO.

(Unfortunately- sometimes due to the presence of radical reverse racists groups- bad parenting is blamed on poor teachers with the result that LIE-berals are trying to “dumb down” the curriculum to enure that more kids APPEAR to be succeeding in school! This is one reason why Toronto District School Board is discussing the abolition of “programs for gifted kids” as they do NOT want people making unhappy comparisons about wildly differing academic performance between classes and between schools and between different ethnic groups!)

“Sometimes because of leadership and how the purpose of the testing is conveyed, people and individual teachers feel a pressure that they shouldn’t be feeling.”

Some of the pressure could come from the fact that EQAO results are made public, Pascal suggested.

(If the test results are NOT made public then they are USELESS! The EQAO standardized testing was implemented to protect parents and kids from lazy and unscrupulous teachers more interested in their Hog gravy than in the kids dumped in their care- some teachers view our kids as cash cows to be MILKED!)

He noted that EQAO results are often used by real estate agents in advertising different neighbourhoods, which puts great pressure on schools to perform well.

It is natural, however, that school administrators would want to do well on the tests, said Don Klinger, a professor of education at Queen’s University who has worked as a consultant and on various panels for the EQAO.

“We should be striving to do the best for our teachers and for our students that we work with,” he said. “There’s different ways of tipping the scale in your favour. Some are legitimate — one’s called ’good teaching.”’

(“Good teaching” is more likely to make an appearance if militant unions get shoved out of schools, if burned out teachers get sidelined, if learning by rote is restored to respectable status rather than letting kids fart around with calculators that ensure they do not learn math basics, if LIE-beral immigration policy is tightened up to ensure that people with hopeless language or learning problems are not allowed to come here- at this time I think of convicted 2 time killer Rohan Ranger who came here at age 12 from an English speaking country- yet was illiterate in his native tongue and was STILL illiterate when he dropped out of school at age 16 and began his “career’ as a drug dealer and eventual KILLER!)

Not just in schools. It happens all the time in industry particularly with safety programs. Watch a film, do a quiz and presto you are qualified to operate a piece of machinery or climb around with out killing your self. And if you fail(die) the company is not at fault because they "trained" you and even tested your knowledge so it was all your fault you died.
 
spilledthebeer
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

didn't help him get Clintons back into the whitehouse.



Not just in schools. It happens all the time in industry particularly with safety programs. Watch a film, do a quiz and presto you are qualified to operate a piece of machinery or climb around with out killing your self. And if you fail(die) the company is not at fault because they "trained" you and even tested your knowledge so it was all your fault you died.

It is not social media that is making us unhappy. Rather it is the total FAILURE of all LIE-beral policy that is making us miserable! They have taxed us so heavily and run us so deeply into debt that ordinary people are desperate. They have run up such huge debts that they can no longer borrow as they used to so they would have enough money to buy supporters so they can cling to power.

LIE-berals have reduced us to the status of dogs squabbling over table scraps. Consider:

Here is a sample of the propaganda that LIE-berals expect us to swallow and its connected to their carbon crap and trade racket-with some comments of my own in brackets):

Minister of Environment on cap and trade costs. First posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:01 AM EST | Updated: Thursday, February 23, 2017 09:47 PM EST

Re: “Cost of cap and trade just doubled” (Editorial, Feb. 10): Ontario’s efforts towards climate action will guarantee the highest amount of emission reductions at the lowest possible cost. Our decision to move forward with a cap and trade system has been reviewed by third-party economic experts who found that a carbon tax would cost households and business four times more without guaranteeing reductions. The average household cost of cap and trade is estimated to be $156 — substantially lower then what the column suggests. Our figure is substantiated by modelling conducted by EnviroEconomics.

(Figures don’t lie but LIE-berals figure! LIE-berals have received a demand from natural gas producers for a price increase about 50 percent ABOVE what LIE-berals expected so there is the first `mistake` in their addition!)

Throughout the development and implementation of our cap and trade roll out, we have very clearly communicated that proceeds acquired from the program will not be limited to Ontario households. Industry, such as heavy emitting manufacturers, as well as costs from transport will be part of the program. Misleading math that implies that our cap and trade program only covers households is disingenuous, at best.

(LIE-berals do NOT admit that heavy industry and other businesses such as transport WILL PASS ON all their costs to employees in the form of frozen wages, reduced hours and lost jobs and that the price of ALL goods and services supplied to households WILL INCREASE thanks to the carbon crap! Any business unable to pass on its costs to households will either go bankrupt or leave Ontari-owe-so the Carbon caper IS entirely on the shoulders of householders!)

Factual inaccuracies will also falsely suggest that our revenue estimations are revenue targets.

In our cap and trade system, market prices are based on how effectively we are able to drive emission reductions.

(So if current carbon crap tax does not force us to make major changes in our life style to suit LIE-berals then the TAX MUST GO UP until we either vote out the LIE-berals or we start to behave as they demand-and they don’t care if we freeze or starve-just so long as THEY get their gravy and stay out of their way!)

Our market based approach will reduce greenhouse gas emissions while driving innovation and spurring economic growth.

(There is a LIE-the LIE-beral carbon crap is based on the disgraced European model that has only cleaned wallets and left the dirt in the air! The European model is also under police investigation due to all the stock market fraud and carbon credit sales scams being implemented-often by organized crime families! Thus far LIE-berals have resisted handing out free carbon credits as European govts did but lets see what happens as carbon crap really kicks in and cost rise! General Motors in Oshawa is certainly playing a waiting game-with No product currently scheduled to be produced in Oshawa till the carbon crap is dealt with! And other companies putting expansion on hold till the carbon tax dust settles!)

Ontario’s Climate Change Action Plan is putting a cap on the amount of emissions businesses can release into the atmosphere while providing industry the flexibility they need to transition to a low-carbon economy.

We want to ensure Ontarians that transparency is at the forefront in our climate action efforts.

(Yes-we see clearly that you will make us green by killing jobs and life styles of the little people who already cannot afford to have a large carbon output! But you will use carbon crap revenue to ensure your Sunshine List pals/civil service Hogs can keep spewing THEIR major carbon footprint at their cottages equipped with myriad gas guzzling toys and at the airport-with planes being by far the dirtiest way to travel! And you will call this shameless double standard “virtuous”! )

To do so, we have made it compulsory by law to disclose how proceeds from Ontario’s cap and trade program will be invested into projects that will reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

(Must we REALLY have more programs such as the costly and failed green energy mess in which LIE-beral friends are PAID hundreds of percent over regular electrical generation costs for their green energy? LIE-berals have signed long term contracts with green energy producers at HIGH costs and have agreed to buy ALL electricity the greens care to produce. Ontari-owe now has the ability to produce 40,000 megawatts of electricity but even on days of very high consumption we only use about 22,000-24,000 megawatts-thanks in part to the heavy industries that have already moved out of Ontari-owe. The discrepancy between the amount of electricity we produce and the amount we must sell off at a LOSS to other states and provinces is enough to power one hundred thousand Cdn homes for a year! Are LIE-berals so desperate to BUY friends that they will invest in MORE of such extravagant and biased policy? We simply cannot afford more such LIE-beral economic `innovation`!)

These investments will include jobs by fostering and adopting clean technologies and retrofitting buildings and homes.

(Clearly LIE-berals have not done the math regarding the COST to “retrofit” a typical Ontari-owe home! Certainly they have Not considered how much re-construction of older homes will be needed to effectively retrofit those places.)

(Getting a notable increase in home energy efficiency involves moving the family and ALL their stuff OUT of the house for months while house is stripped to the bare stud walls and new insulation and vapour barriers are installed. In some older brick houses with lathe and plaster walls there will also need to be major 2 x 4 framing installed to support the new insulation and vapour barrier and then of course the ENTIRE house will need to be re-wired as old electrical systems wont fit the newly insulated walls and of course the plumbing will need to be adjusted for newly insulated wall thickness and then the house will be entirely dry-walled and painted with new base boards and window trim and naturally the old flooring will need to be replaced as well as its likely to be damaged in the rebuilding!)

(Or perhaps LIE-berals don’t want us to go to such major trouble? Maybe they will just re-create the Pierre Trudope era home grants that paid for new windows and left the heat whistling out of the old un-sealed walls AROUND the new windows? That program was canceled after Cdns decided it was a waste of money and maybe LIE-berals are hoping we have forgotten that!)

(Or maybe LIE-berals think we should simply add insulation to the OUTSIDES of our houses? But that leaves floors and ceilings unsealed- it’s just another LIE-beral style modest benefit at major cost! In any case, retro-fitting a home for genuine energy savings is more costly and time consuming than LIE-berals want to admit!)

It is also important to note that gas prices have actually gone down since the implementation of cap and trade.

(Yeah, LIE-berals are getting the benefit of Russian stupidity! OPEC tried to get its members-including pig headed Russians-to reduce oil production and push oil prices up-but dead broke Russians NEED EVERY RUBLE they can get! It costs major money to keep Russian economic corruption moving along with Russian support for murderous Syrian swine Assad. Russians are so dead broke they NEED ASSAD to buy their weapons-including chemical weapons- and ain’t it typical-the only thing Russians/Soviets ever made well are weapons!)

Shifts in costs have always been dependent on consumption amount, usage of efficient or inefficient sources of energy and — with respect to vehicles — the type of car one drives.

(Another lie-water bills went up because Cdns started to conserve heavily and LIE-berals needed that lost revenue so Cdns have been trained that conservation does NOT save money-it just gives more revenue to LIE-berals and Hogs!)

We know that households with electric or plug-in hybrid electric vehicle have lower incremental costs of fuel.

(But LIE-berals apparently did Not count in the cost of their subsidies to electric car buyers and don’t calculate the economic cost in lost jobs and lost wages from their related green energy crap that fuels those cars and wont discuss the cost of disposing of used Lithium batteries-with Lithium being one of the most toxic non nuclear compounds we ever created!)

Our government is taking steps to help Ontarians improve the energy efficiency of their homes and cars, subsequently reducing both their energy bills and carbon footprint.

(Really-taxing us till we cannot afford to have cars or homes or jobs is not usually referred to as “improvement!)

Within the federal carbon pricing framework announced in October 2016, Ontario is moving forward with our Climate Change Action Plan.

Our Action Plan provides more choice for households and businesses to make the transition to lower carbon technologies through voluntary programs.

(What about the real LIE-beral need to BUY civil service Hog votes by offering up the huge new piles of gravy they demand for their pensions-the new gravy that LIE-berals SWORE FAITHFULLY to deliver? Is that little detail not CENTRAL to carbon crap and trade TAX policy? Our premier Wynne-bag swore faithfully to a room full of teachers that “she would do whatever was necessary to regain your trust” and apparently it is necessary to destroy Ontari-owe with green energy taxes for the benefits of LIE-berals and their supporters-and to hell with the rest of us!)

Every dollar collected through our plan will be reinvested, allowing us to support up to an estimated $1.9 billion into green projects that fight climate change.

These investments will help families and businesses reduce costs and make the switch to non-polluting choices easier and less expensive.

This is a fair, responsible approach that has the support of third-party experts, businesses and other governments.

(And all those third party experts appear to have been BOUGHT AND PAID FOR by LIE-berals!)

GLEN MURRAY

ONTARIO MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT AND CLIMATE CHANGE

(Congratulations Minister-you have created a Green shell game as honest and fair as anything we have seen being played by a grifter on a street corner-and with as much chance of an ordinary person winning at it as well!)
 
DaSleeper
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spilledthebeer
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Gosh that "we didnt read it" excuse was not even funny the first time- after all. WE KNOW YOU READ EVERY WORD! You looked frantically for any way to rebut what I have said! You are DESPERATE to hide the TOTAL failure of ALL LIE-beral policy! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Here is some more for you to struggle over

Here is an article that contains no surprise! With some comments of my own in brackets):

News Toronto & GTA- Toronto Hydro zaps city for $35 million

By Jenny Yuen, Toronto Sun. First posted: Monday, November 14, 2016 09:04 PM EST | Updated: Monday, November 14, 2016 09:08 PM EST

Toronto Hydro announced Monday it will reduce its $60 million annual dividend payment to the City of Toronto — its sole shareholder – to $25 million, leaving Toronto council with a $35-million headache. Mayor John Tory and city councillors will have to fill that hole when they set the city’s 2017 budget in February.

Hydro officials say they need to invest in infrastructure upgrades in order to maintain the safety and reliability of the energy grid.

(Oh right-they have been sucking up gravy for decades and IGNORING decaying infrastructure-now they are ENTITLED to regular gravy and must find repair money from another source-so the city goes short! GREEDY HOGS!)

“This isn’t a new issue, but it’s an issue we are signalling requires some action ... We get money from rates to make capital investments, but we pay the upfront costs. If we put a pole in and we pay $10,000 and recover that over 40 years. You can imagine this upfront cost is putting pressure on our capital structure, particularly because we’ve been making a lot of investments in the grid to help with reliability,” said spokesman Brian Buchan.

(It certainly is NOT a new issue-but what would be new is if Hydro Hogs admitted they had bled the system dry of gravy and that they wont be getting any grand new flows of gravy till the system is repaired!

•Keerthana Kamalavasan, spokesman for Mayor John Tory:

“The Mayor is concerned about the impact this will have on the upcoming budget. City staff and the budget committee will review this as part of the upcoming budget process. This decision only further underscores how the city is playing catch up when it comes to our outdated and ageing infrastructure. We took years off building transit, and repairing our roads and infrastructure. This is another example of how we need to make up for lost time and part of that is having an honest discussion with the people of Toronto about how we plan to pay for it. Later this month, the city manager will release a report that will look at the financial health of our city, and what steps we can take to move forward. The mayor awaits that report.”

•Councillor Gord Perks:

“Hydro recently had a rate increase so there’s no reason they should be doing this. Their claim they’re having trouble meeting their capital needs is just false. Their rate increase was enough to meet their capital needs. The math doesn’t add up. The responsibility is to their shareholder — the City of Toronto. I want a full accounting from Toronto Hydro to understand why they’re violating their shareholder agreement.”

(Thank you Gord Pefks-it’s the old argument- there is enough money for gravy to Hogs OR to repair things and Hogs always go for gravy and repairs can wait! Especially when a spineless jelly fish like Sorry Tory is in charge!)

•Budget Chief Gary Crawford:

“The city manager has engaged an external consultant to come back and report to executive committee on all of the numbers to make sure they’re all correct. Bottom line, this underscores us playing catch up over many years with our outdated infrastructure, but we need to build transit and do repairs and the conversation we’ll have to be having is about our long-term fiscal health and planning strategy ... We’ll be looking at revenue generating. This just puts another pressure on us — $35 million is equivalent to a 1.5% property tax increase. My goal is to ensure this city is affordable for the residents.”

(They had endless money for raises- they have lots of money for external consultants to identify that Hogs are bleeding us dry-they just cannot do anything about Hog entitlements that are killing us!)

jyuen at postmedia
 
Cannuck
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#29
Given that the most stupid generally aren't on social media (this forum is a perfect example), I'd have to say no.
 
spilledthebeer
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Given that the most stupid generally aren't on social media (this forum is a perfect example), I'd have to say no.

Here is an old article just to remind us of the bill of goods we have been sold- partly through social media. It is not social media that is making us stupid, rather it is scheming politicians bribing us that are at the heart of the problem:

Is it not truly amazing what those LIE-berals have done for us in the last year up to spring of 2017? Thanks to LIE-berals, the value of the Cdn dollar has dropped by 30 percent this year.

Food costs are soaring 25-40 percent this year.

Lie-berals have re-introduced their nasty little eco-fee for a substantial array of items-IN SPITE of the fact that many cash strapped Cdns diligently collect any and all electronics, tv`s, stereos, water heaters, furnaces, air conditioners and all manner of scrap metal left at the curb and take this stuff to PRIVATE recycling companies for recycling for the sake of earning some extra pennies! With No cost to HOGS, yet Lie-berals charge us as if their civil service Hog allies were handling this debris! In fact the DIRTY LITTLE SECRET of our Hogs is that if you phone city hall to have union Hogs come get your debris-THEY TAKE IT TO PRIVATE RECYCLERS ANYWAY! So the eco fee is nothing but a cash grab by GROSSLY entitled PIGS!

And those cans of left over paint you put out for the trash-you KNOW the Hogs
collect that at local city transfer stations and then LET THE PUBLIC in to REUSE that paint-ITS NOT RECYCLED-most of it ends up on the walls of a house some place as cash strapped Cdns grab up FREE paint! In fact, at a lot of municipal
govt collection yards, the Hogs don’t even need to drive around to collect the paint-people DROP IT OFF FOR FREE-the Hogs just have to store it for a while till dead broke Cdns come to collect it-and you can mix up some interesting colours if you collect enough of the right shades....FOR FREE!!! But it does not stop LIE-berals from collecting eco fees on paint that they DON’T recycle!

Electricity costs are going up another 10 percent this year and Lie-berals also intend to add a carbon tax to our soaring natural gas bills!

Our water bills will also be going up ANOTHER 8 percent this year. LIE-berals tell us they need the extra money for necessary repairs to the water and electricity distribution system and this is LIE-beral talk that means they gave themselves raises, perks and solid gold pensions year after year and NEGLECTED to repair anything for so long that now we have emergency failures and breakdowns.....but they STILL WANT MORE GRAVY for themselves in spite of the mess they have made!

When McWynnty was appointed Ontari-owe premier, she stood in front of teacher Hogs and swore she would do whatever it took to regain their trust and she MEANS it-she will sell our souls if need be to BUY Hog votes. Is it any wonder that some people now refer to McWynnty as The Great Whore because she has sold herself and her party and OUR FUTURE to the Hogs!

Lie-berals have also killed off the income splitting that some people counted on so taxes will rise for the very `middle class` types Lie-berals claim to want to save! How ironic that civil service Hogs campaigned against Harper because he froze their wages-yet Lie-berals are actually working to ERODE those wages with inflation and an array of new taxes!!!! And Hog wages are STILL FROZEN under LIE-beral rule! Zero sum is the new normal! What a bunch of Hog Maroons-they are going to have LESS MONEY with LIE-berals than with Harper!

The exciting new Lie-beral Carbon tax will make the price of EVERYTHING SOAR! Massive inflation for EVERYBODY! And as TEN YEARS of experience with exactly the same sort of plan has shown in Europe, the whole Lie-beral scheme is nothing but a corrupt economy killing MESS. The same pack of scammers who brought us ENRON and NORTEL were EXCITED about a LIE-beral implemented carbon tax! Does this not give the reader pause for thought? The biggest THIEVES in history WANTED a LIE-beral carbon tax!

And what of the new Lie-beral pension plan? Last month 53,000 Cdns LOST their full time jobs.....but 49,000 Cdns found PART TIME JOBS! Isnt that nice...LIE-berals will let you starve now in exchange for POVERTY in your old age! What a GREAT DEAL!

And LIE-berals have brought in 25,000 Syrian refugees and are working to bring in tens of thousands MORE! Yes. LIE-berals have arranged to import a pack of people whose religious beliefs, moral values and political orientation will make it pretty much impossible for them to fully integrate into Cdn society! They think our Christian religion is inferior and we out to pay a tax to go to church. They think Western women are all sluts with way too much freedom and need to be trained to serve men properly. The Moslems want a BIG chunk of our Constitution repealed for their convenience-to be replaced by Sharia Law and have already approached LIE-beral leaders here in Ontari-owe about that. And they want to disrupt our long standing relations with our two closest allies: Britain and United States because of their political orientation and beliefs. Instead of supporting our current allies, Muslims would like to see Western nations emasculated and Israelis driven into the sea in a grotesque new HOLOCAUST! The mass of Syrians represent a grave new security risk for Canada and will need to be watched by security forces for DECADES to head off any and all MURDEROUS JIHADIST impulses by our new neighbours. But LIE-berals don’t care about any of this-just so long as they get the votes.....and the GRAVY!
 

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