Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says


B00Mer
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Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says



Legalizing drugs is the best way to combat cartels, according to Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico.

Mexico’s Senate is expected to vote in favor of a bill to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in the coming days, in a bid to choke off a black market dominated by violent gangs.

Several Mexican Senate committees tabled draft legislation on Thursday to make the commercial production and sale of marijuana legal, expanding on a Supreme Court decision last year which deemed the country’s ban on personal cannabis consumption and cultivation unconstitutional. Current President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has also been critical of Mexico’s protracted drug war and signaled openness to a new approach.

Since leaving office in late 2006, Fox has been a vocal advocate for the legalization of medicinal and recreational marijuana, and last year joined the board of Canadian cannabis company Khiron Life Sciences.

Speaking to CNBC in London last week, Fox pointed to Colombia, parts of the U.S. and Canada as examples where relaxing the government stance on personal recreational drug use had yielded promising results.

“Watching that example, we see that in a natural way, the old illegal underground activities start to disappear by themselves, because now they don’t have a market. The market is taken by the new situation — the new products, the new corporations being provided,” he said.

“If you go to Washington state, or Seattle, you see today that many of the old places that we used to look that were underground providing product to consumers, now they have formed part of the new industry that is legal. Now, instead of committing crimes by distributing drugs, now they do it as a businessman.”

Fox added that for such transitions to work, it is important that the government does not go after distributors for past illegalities, and instead enable them to legitimize their operations instead of being forced to diversify into other criminal activities.

Where Mexican cartels relied heavily on illegal marijuana trade, other Latin American countries such as Colombia could benefit from the legalization and regulation of harder drugs, such as heroin, he suggested. Fox projected that within five years, harder drugs will begin to be legalized for medical and personal recreational use throughout Latin America.

Opponents of marijuana legalization argue that it serves as a gateway to more addictive drugs, would increase the number of car crashes relating to marijuana use and would encourage recreational use.

Fox suggested that as well as offering a way out for non-violent producers, consumers also stood to benefit from marijuana becoming part of a recognized legal and medical framework. He argued that legalization and providing information to doctors could enable them to play a role in offering guidance on moderating consumption, reducing any wider health risk from recreational use.

“Now they don’t have to buy from the black market — they can go to a dispensary or a pharmacy and get the products they want, with the additional plus that now they have the assistance of a doctor, who is going to help them consume in moderation, with knowledge and avoiding affecting their own health. Every product in this world that moves from illegal to accepted changes the total picture,” he said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/22/vice...t-cartels.html

Could you imagine if marijuana was legal all over the USA??

It would be impossible to purchase a soda over 16 oz in NY, but all drugs are going to become legal?
 
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petros
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Opponents of marijuana legalization argue that it serves as a gateway to more addictive drugs

Sugar is the gateway drug and is addictive. Sugar has done in more people than heroin and coke combined.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Sugar is the gateway drug and is addictive. Sugar has done in more people than heroin and coke combined.

Caffeine - just had a migraine this morning.. actually for 3 days. had a 16oz coke and it's now gone. There is an addiction, Coke Cola.
 
bill barilko
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Vicente Fox is the crookedest Mexican president ever-and that's saying something.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Caffeine - just had a migraine this morning.. actually for 3 days. had a 16oz coke and it's now gone. There is an addiction, Coke Cola.

Dehydration. Caffeine is a diuretic.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says

Legalizing drugs is the best way to combat cartels, according to Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico.
Mexico’s Senate is expected to vote in favor of a bill to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in the coming days, in a bid to choke off a black market dominated by violent gangs.
Several Mexican Senate committees tabled draft legislation on Thursday to make the commercial production and sale of marijuana legal, expanding on a Supreme Court decision last year which deemed the country’s ban on personal cannabis consumption and cultivation unconstitutional. Current President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has also been critical of Mexico’s protracted drug war and signaled openness to a new approach.
Since leaving office in late 2006, Fox has been a vocal advocate for the legalization of medicinal and recreational marijuana, and last year joined the board of Canadian cannabis company Khiron Life Sciences.
Speaking to CNBC in London last week, Fox pointed to Colombia, parts of the U.S. and Canada as examples where relaxing the government stance on personal recreational drug use had yielded promising results.
“Watching that example, we see that in a natural way, the old illegal underground activities start to disappear by themselves, because now they don’t have a market. The market is taken by the new situation — the new products, the new corporations being provided,” he said.
“If you go to Washington state, or Seattle, you see today that many of the old places that we used to look that were underground providing product to consumers, now they have formed part of the new industry that is legal. Now, instead of committing crimes by distributing drugs, now they do it as a businessman.”
Fox added that for such transitions to work, it is important that the government does not go after distributors for past illegalities, and instead enable them to legitimize their operations instead of being forced to diversify into other criminal activities.
Where Mexican cartels relied heavily on illegal marijuana trade, other Latin American countries such as Colombia could benefit from the legalization and regulation of harder drugs, such as heroin, he suggested. Fox projected that within five years, harder drugs will begin to be legalized for medical and personal recreational use throughout Latin America.
Opponents of marijuana legalization argue that it serves as a gateway to more addictive drugs, would increase the number of car crashes relating to marijuana use and would encourage recreational use.
Fox suggested that as well as offering a way out for non-violent producers, consumers also stood to benefit from marijuana becoming part of a recognized legal and medical framework. He argued that legalization and providing information to doctors could enable them to play a role in offering guidance on moderating consumption, reducing any wider health risk from recreational use.
“Now they don’t have to buy from the black market — they can go to a dispensary or a pharmacy and get the products they want, with the additional plus that now they have the assistance of a doctor, who is going to help them consume in moderation, with knowledge and avoiding affecting their own health. Every product in this world that moves from illegal to accepted changes the total picture,” he said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/22/vice...t-cartels.html
Could you imagine if marijuana was legal all over the USA??
It would be impossible to purchase a soda over 16 oz in NY, but all drugs are going to become legal?

Legalizing would be smart. Check into the Four Pillars approach. Educatin is still the best defence.
 
Danbones
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trouble is:


Ship seized in $1.3 billion cocaine bust is owned by JP Morgan Chase
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ship-se...-morgan-chase/

ReasonTV

Recently, during an interview with Mexico's Televisa, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declared that the United States can't legalize drugs "because there is just too much money in it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXLkQVcpjmY

LeDain Commission: Final Report of the Commission of Inquiry into the Non-Medical Use of Drugs
https://archive.org/details/LeDainCo...ntroTofCToPg62

In the seventies the Canadian guv spent Millions in real money writing this report, saying the same thing Boomer just posted, then they ignored every common sense thing in it.
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taxslave
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That ship seizure is kind of a false flag. JPMorgan is almost as far removed from the cargo as the shipyard that built it.
 
Danbones
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Money Laundering and The Drug Trade: The Role of the Banks

One thing the American government has not done is to prosecute the largest banks in the world for supporting the drug cartels by washing billions of dollars of their blood stained money. As Narco sphere journalist Bill Conroy has observed banks are ”where the money is” in the global drug war.

HSBC, Western Union, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase&Co, Citigroup, Wachovia amongst many others have allegedly failed to comply with American anti-money laundering (AML) laws.

...In March 2010 Wachovia cut a deal with the US government which involved the bank being given fines of $160 million under a ”deferred prosecution” agreement. This was due to Wachovia’s heavy involvement in money laundering moving up to $378.4 billion over several years. Not one banker was prosecuted for illegal involvement in the drugs trade. Meanwhile small time drug dealers and users go to prison...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/money-...-banks/5334205
 
AnnaEmber
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says

Legalizing drugs is the best way to combat cartels, according to Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico.

Really? Is that why a large section of the American population are hooked and dying on legal prescriptions?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

Really? Is that why a large section of the American population are hooked and dying on legal prescriptions?

He didn't deny that drugs have their dangers.

But this is just good sense. If you legalize drugs, you can regulate them and control the damage.

I'd also point out that throughout the 1700s and 1800s, and into the 1900s, drugs were all legal. Somehow we survived.

I'd also point out that, hands down, the most dangerous and destructive drug in North America is alcohol.

Only thing more dangerous and destructive is outlawing it, as we found out a century or so back.
 
AnnaEmber
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I don't think legalizing drugs will be safer. Maybe it might be another cash cow for gov't but people will still die and ruin their lives.
 
Mowich
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Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says



Legalizing drugs is the best way to combat cartels, according to Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico.

Mexico’s Senate is expected to vote in favor of a bill to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in the coming days, in a bid to choke off a black market dominated by violent gangs.

Several Mexican Senate committees tabled draft legislation on Thursday to make the commercial production and sale of marijuana legal, expanding on a Supreme Court decision last year which deemed the country’s ban on personal cannabis consumption and cultivation unconstitutional. Current President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has also been critical of Mexico’s protracted drug war and signaled openness to a new approach.

I doubt I'll live to see the day that the US Federal government comes to its senses and legalizes marijuana, Boomer. The DEA, ATF, and other iniquitous government orgs are making way too much money with the herb staying on the banned drug list. They have free reign to confiscate all the money and goods they find when they bust someone. These are massive orgs with thousands of employees which is yet another reason the government won't act. Obama had a chance and actually promised during one of his campaigns that he would not go after states that had legalized the herb....but he wimped out too.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

I don't think legalizing drugs will be safer. Maybe it might be another cash cow for gov't but people will still die and ruin their lives.

Yeah, but there won't be open warfare in Mexico and on the streets of our cities.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

I don't think legalizing drugs will be safer. Maybe it might be another cash cow for gov't but people will still die and ruin their lives.

I'm with Tec on this, Anna. Fact is that, prior to pot becoming legal here, nothing Canada did to stop people from using pot made any real difference. They'd bust one grow-op and another would pop up down the road. And they still have yet to find a way of preventing all kinds of drugs from entering our country illegally. Millions of dollars and countless police and court hours were spent on what when used with common sense amounts to a pretty harmless drug. Thousands of people were jailed for a joint. Young lives were ruined due to a criminal record. And it made not a whit of difference. People still found a way to get their high.

I moved to this area over 37 years ago. In less than a week I found out that there were over a dozen Mom and Pop grow-ops in the area. It was an open secret. Not one of them has ever been busted and though some growers have since moved away, there are seven still in operation and doing well. Most of us like to know where our dope is coming from and having your dealer as a neighbor is an excellent way of making sure it is clean and of high quality. Besides the only way to obtain it legally would be through the mail. The cost of doing so is absurd compared to prices locally.

Prohibition didn't stop people from drinking in the states - according to some reports drinking actually increased and a lot of bad people made good money. Dope is no different. Legalization is the right thing to do.
 
Hoid
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drug legalization is not a magic cure all.

if you look at the Canadian example with weed you will note that it has not really even put a dent into the black market.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Think about it, Anna.

Legalize marijuana. It's certainly no more dangerous than alcohol. Surely we can agree on that.

Next, set up state-owned and -operated stores. You come in, you have to walk past racks and racks of information on how to get help, go up to a counter, buy one dose of heroin, coke, downers, whatever blows your skirt up, at fair market price (about 1/10 of black-market price), and you're on your way.

The user can take his hit legally and as safely as such a thing can be. No black-market gangs shooting up neighborhoods in turf wars. Way less personal and sexual slavery to whoever is providing the cash for the drugs. Use the profits to fund treatment.

And now you can, without overcrowding the prisons, impose truly draconian sentences on traffickers, like 25 years for the first offense, life without parole for a second. The reason people get into the drug trade is because it pays well when there's not a lot of other opportunity. So drain out the money, and then lock up the real psychopaths who insist on maintaining whatever black market still exists. Policing costs plummet. One of the most dangerous gangs of all, the cops, quits running around violating people's rights in the endless search for personal-use amounts of drugs.

People still overdose. People still die. But that remains true with alcohol, tobacco, and other legal but dangerous drugs.

The criminal-justice approach to drug control is an utter, absolute, expensive, life-ruining failure. It has warped individual rights and the role of police beyond recognition. Time for a new approach. Flogging the people harder has not worked.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Caffeine - just had a migraine this morning.. actually for 3 days. had a 16oz coke and it's now gone. There is an addiction, Coke Cola.

You should try tincture of arsenic. Works like a charm.

It'll clear up your Syphilis,too.
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

drug legalization is not a magic cure all.

if you look at the Canadian example with weed you will note that it has not really even put a dent into the black market.

Did you think it would ?
 
Hoid
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I was responding to the idea that making drugs illegal would put the cartels out of business.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I was responding to the idea that making drugs illegal would put the cartels out of business.

Makes sense!

It's worked a treat everywhere else it's been tried. Look at what an overwhealming success the American War on Drugs has been.


Not a reefer to be had there, anymore and the Hells Angels have filed for chapter 11.
 
spilledthebeer
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Legalization of drugs is the way to combat cartels, former Mexican president says



Legalizing drugs is the best way to combat cartels, according to Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico.

Mexico’s Senate is expected to vote in favor of a bill to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in the coming days, in a bid to choke off a black market dominated by violent gangs.

Several Mexican Senate committees tabled draft legislation on Thursday to make the commercial production and sale of marijuana legal, expanding on a Supreme Court decision last year which deemed the country’s ban on personal cannabis consumption and cultivation unconstitutional. Current President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has also been critical of Mexico’s protracted drug war and signaled openness to a new approach.

Since leaving office in late 2006, Fox has been a vocal advocate for the legalization of medicinal and recreational marijuana, and last year joined the board of Canadian cannabis company Khiron Life Sciences.

Speaking to CNBC in London last week, Fox pointed to Colombia, parts of the U.S. and Canada as examples where relaxing the government stance on personal recreational drug use had yielded promising results.

“Watching that example, we see that in a natural way, the old illegal underground activities start to disappear by themselves, because now they don’t have a market. The market is taken by the new situation — the new products, the new corporations being provided,” he said.

“If you go to Washington state, or Seattle, you see today that many of the old places that we used to look that were underground providing product to consumers, now they have formed part of the new industry that is legal. Now, instead of committing crimes by distributing drugs, now they do it as a businessman.”

Fox added that for such transitions to work, it is important that the government does not go after distributors for past illegalities, and instead enable them to legitimize their operations instead of being forced to diversify into other criminal activities.

Where Mexican cartels relied heavily on illegal marijuana trade, other Latin American countries such as Colombia could benefit from the legalization and regulation of harder drugs, such as heroin, he suggested. Fox projected that within five years, harder drugs will begin to be legalized for medical and personal recreational use throughout Latin America.

Opponents of marijuana legalization argue that it serves as a gateway to more addictive drugs, would increase the number of car crashes relating to marijuana use and would encourage recreational use.

Fox suggested that as well as offering a way out for non-violent producers, consumers also stood to benefit from marijuana becoming part of a recognized legal and medical framework. He argued that legalization and providing information to doctors could enable them to play a role in offering guidance on moderating consumption, reducing any wider health risk from recreational use.

“Now they don’t have to buy from the black market — they can go to a dispensary or a pharmacy and get the products they want, with the additional plus that now they have the assistance of a doctor, who is going to help them consume in moderation, with knowledge and avoiding affecting their own health. Every product in this world that moves from illegal to accepted changes the total picture,” he said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/22/vice...t-cartels.html

Could you imagine if marijuana was legal all over the USA??

It would be impossible to purchase a soda over 16 oz in NY, but all drugs are going to become legal?






OHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Free hard drugs on offer and the addicts will have the aid of a doctor..............................


at the safe injection site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But we stack actual SICK PEOPLE who worked and paid taxes..................................


on BEDS in hospital corridors !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Such WONDERFUL LIE-beral priorities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Here is how I think we can stop the drug trade:::::::::::::;


Have lots of security cameras located in places where people frequently shoot up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Get GRAPHIC FOOTAGE of their reaction a fentanyl overdose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !



And with NO DOCTOR available to save the victim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Show the graphic footage of A BUNCH OF ADDICTS dying - to young teens..............................


and ask them if it seems like a GOOD INVESTMENT to buy that crap???????????????????????


Security cameras would also be useful for illustrating how women pay for their drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- some nicely detailed shots of hookers plying their trade to get the cash they need to get their fix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ask those nice sweet young teen girls what it would take to get them..........................


to volunteer to take that fat bald old fart into their MOUTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some graphic cinema Verite might just cure our drug problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AND reduce the number of Indigenous women who go missing as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh and we should also get some detailed shots of what a hooker looks like........................


after she has an argument with a rough John!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A nice shot of an unidentified woman - who was probably an addict and a hooker - getting hauled out of a river etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Wouldnt that be NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We could help our kids make honest and sensible choices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yes- I know the Mexican proposal intends to offer FREE DRUGS....................................


so maybe we should have some feedback from tax payers who will be screaming:


"YOU WANT US TO PAY HOW MUCH FOR A BUNCH OF USELESS DRUG ADDICTED MOUTHS"????????????????????


As it stands now we cannot even supply affordable housing in Toronto.................................


we cannot afford new public transit in our cities................................


our infrastructure is collapsing................................


raw sewage is leaking into rivers and oceans with every rain.............................


we are allegedly in the midst of a climate emergency.....................................


Our idiot Boy Justin and his loser LIE-berals plan to run a STEADY SERIES of $20 billion dollar deficits..............................


from now until we throw them out.........................................



so HOW IN HELL are we going to ALSO support a HORDE of drug addicts in the comfort that LIE-berals would like them to become



accustomed to??????????????????????????/
 
AnnaEmber
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

I'm with Tec on this, Anna.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Think about it, Anna. Legalize marijuana. It's certainly no more dangerous than alcohol. Surely we can agree on that.

lol It's one thing to legalize pot and another thing entirely to legalize coke, H, crack, etc. People that didn't have the nerve to try it before will have easier access to it. The stuff is far beyond recreational.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

drug legalization is not a magic cure all.
if you look at the Canadian example with weed you will note that it has not really even put a dent into the black market.

It is not exactly legal in Canada yet either. The government set up their so called legalization to be a cash cow. Only problem is they sell an inferior product at a userous price. The smart thing would have been to just make it legal and get the growers to pay income tax on their profit just like any other farmer.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Legalizing would be smart.

Thanks Trudeau