US Administrations Air Force One Debacle


EagleSmack
#1
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Obama Aide Who Authorized New York Air Force One Flight Quits





By Edwin Chen and Roger Runningen


May 9 (Bloomberg) -- An Obama administration aide who authorized a low-altitude flight over New York City by a plane used as Air Force One has resigned.
“The controversy surrounding the Presidential Airlift Group’s aerial photo shoot over New York City has made it impossible for me to effectively lead the White House Military Office,” Louis Caldera wrote in his resignation letter, which was released by the administration.
The public wasn’t given any advance notice of the April 27 flyover, which involved a VC-25 -- the military version of Boeing Co.’s 747 -- that is used to transport the president and two fighter jet escorts. The flight over New York Harbor rattled windows and prompted some office workers to flee high-rises out of fear it was a repeat of the Sept. 11 attacks.
Aides described President Barack Obama as angry about it, and members of Congress demanded an accounting.
Separate reviews by Obama’s deputy chief of staff, Jim Messina , and Defense Department officials found that Air Force planning for the mission began in late March and that the Federal Aviation Administration, New York air traffic control officials, law enforcement officials in New York and New Jersey and the New York City mayor’s office were part of the coordination.
Coordination
The administration review of the incident found that initial planning included discussions about “coordination with ‘the general public” at least two days before the flight. Still, it said no information was to be released that it involved the presidential aircraft because of security concerns.
Caldera didn’t inform senior administration officials about the flight and “he did not offer a coherent explanation” why, according to the report released by the White House. The report, released by the White House counsel’s office, described a series of communications failures, including missed e-mails and conflicting accounts over what information was passed along in meetings.
During one period when discussions and e-mails were being exchanged, Caldera told the reviewers he hadn’t read them because he was suffering from “severe muscle spasms in his back,” was on pain medication and “went home early a couple of days,” the administration document said.
Caldera “stated he had no idea that the plan called for the aircraft to fly at 1,000 feet,” the document said.
Defense Review
Separately, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said military officials fell short in their planning of the New York City flyover.
“I am concerned that this highly public and visible mission did not include an appropriate public affairs plan nor adequate review and approval by senior Air Force” and Defense Department officials, Gates wrote in a letter to Senator John McCain . The Arizona Republican had requested an accounting by the defense chief.
The Air Force said the April 27 flight, which also served as a training mission, cost taxpayers $328,835 for the VC-25 jetliner and two fighter jet escorts. Part of the purpose was to obtain fresh publicity photos of the president’s blue-and-white plane flying low over New York Harbor with the Statue of Liberty in the background, officials said at the time.
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg , who said at the time that he was “furious” about the flyover, dismissed questions about the administration’s response, telling reporters at the White House yesterday that “the planes are long gone in history.”
The mayor is founder and majority owner of Bloomberg News parent Bloomberg LP.
Caldera, 53, a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and a lawyer, was secretary of the Army during the Clinton administration and previously was a state legislator in California, according to the White House Web site.
The White House Military Office provides military support for an array of official functions, including food service, presidential travel, medical care and hospitality services.
To contact the reporters on this story: Edwin Chen in Washington at Echen32@bloomberg.net ; Julianna Goldman in Washington at Jgoldman6@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: May 9, 2009 00:01 EDT

Another brilliant move by the Obama Administration
 
bobnoorduyn
#2
What a load of twaddle over nothing!!! When I first heard this I thought it was a joke. Are New Yorkers so scared spitless that any large aircraft, and a highly recognizable one at that, flying over head will now have them soiling their drawers? And I thought they were a brave hearty bunch, not clones of those Torontonian David Miller apostles. A low flying, (and it wasn't even that low) 747 followed by fighters in level flight at reduced power will hardly rattle windows, let alone be heard over the din of city noise, c'mon now. How did New Yorkers put up with the Concorde? We here are regularly blessed with the departure and sometimes flypasts of RAF VC-10's, another 60's era 4 holer powered by 4 Rolls Royce Conways, (though not the Olympus and without afterburning, at takeoff thrust are still very capable converters of kerosene to massive amounts of noise and smoke, I love 'em) often followed by up to 4 Tornados, with afterburning. People have to get a grip and stop jumping at their own shadows.
 
L Gilbert
#3
Jeez Bob, we can tell where your heart is, nowhere near you.
Suppose you saw me come along with a LAW and blow the house next to yours to bits. Then the next time you see me, I am near your house with the rocket launcher. I bet you'd be a bit skittish, too.
 
EagleSmack
#4
If it was a load of twaddle... why did they make him resign?
 
bobnoorduyn
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Jeez Bob, we can tell where your heart is, nowhere near you.
Suppose you saw me come along with a LAW and blow the house next to yours to bits. Then the next time you see me, I am near your house with the rocket launcher. I bet you'd be a bit skittish, too.

Well, a rocket launcher is used for one purpose, if I saw anyone with one I would be a bit skittish. But we're talking about a highly recognizable aircraft, one that would be nearly impossible to hijack and use as a weapon. Had this been a rogue you can be certain it would have been dealt with appropriately in a timely manner. But it wasn't a rogue, by all accounts the flight was approved by all the relevent agencies. The public wasn't informed, so what, is the public informed of every event? As a matter of fact the public is often purposely kept in the dark, especially if the aircraft is carrying the president.

There is a difference between vigilance and fear; it was a lack of vigilance that allowed 9/11 to happen, something that the Americans have gotten better at since. However, fear (often irrational fear) masquerading as vigilance gets us nowhere, and is actually counterproductive. Irrational fear has led to everyone jumping at their own shadows, enacting ineffective security measures, tightening borders, choking commerce all the while leaving gaping holes elsewhere. You may think my heart is in the wrong place, but there are many with their heads stuck in the wrong place too.
 
lone wolf
#6
Irrational fears and paranoia - especially this long after the fact - means the terrorists have won and you might as well die and get it over with.
 
bobnoorduyn
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

If it was a load of twaddle... why did they make him resign?

Political expediency, instead of saying, "look, sorry we didn't inform the public and every loony who want's to take a pot shot at one of the president's aircraft, we were wrong. Next time we'll also tell you when we are going to the loo as well ", just tell the guy who organized the photo shoot to quit. It wouldn't be the first time an underling was sacrificed rather than tarnish a gold plated image.
 
EagleSmack
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

It wouldn't be the first time an underling was sacrificed rather than tarnish a gold plated image.

I can agree with that.

This guy CLEARLY took the fall so that Obama may remain clean.
 
YukonJack
#9
L Gilbert, seeing your post #3, I am willing to put all our past indifferences aside.

I agree with you 100%.
 
gerryh
#10
Have to agree with Bear here....if your so f*cking scared of every "low" flying aircraft...7.5 years after the fact.....your life ain't worth livin and you may as well put a cap in your head and end the panic.
 
DurkaDurka
#11
Gerry, if you had been witness to 911 I imagine you would be crapping your pink thong anytime a jet flew near.
 
L Gilbert
#12
Idiot. No-one says anything if it's a low flying aircraft. But, when it's a low flying large aircraft with fighters tailing it it is a situation that isn't common.
Besides that, you people, you weren't in NYC when those pl;anes hit the buildings. Easy to sit back in your comfy chairs and pass judgement on New Yorkers who were there.
I have seen things happen that put people in deep trauma. It isn't as easy to get over as you think.
 
gerryh
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

Gerry, if you had been witness to 911 I imagine you would be crapping your pink thong anytime a jet flew near.


right.....go back to f*ckin your goats.
 
DurkaDurka
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

right.....go back to f*ckin your goats.

Yeah, you are such a tough guy Gerry. How are the swinger parties these days Gerry, do you still wear a mask?
 
gerryh
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

Yeah, you are such a tough guy Gerry. How are the swinger parties these days Gerry, do you still wear a mask?

At least it's real women I'm bangin...... not like you, where everyone within 20 miles has to lock up their cat's, dogs, and farm animals.
 
DurkaDurka
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

At least it's real women I'm bangin...... not like you, where everyone within 20 miles has to lock up their cat's, dogs, and farm animals.

haha, I hope you get AIDS.
 
gerryh
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

haha, I hope you get AIDS.


No worry's there....unlike you..I KNOW where my dick is goin.
 
DurkaDurka
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

No worry's there....unlike you..I KNOW where my dick is goin.

Does the hand of god guide your little pecker?
 
L Gilbert
#19
Don't bother, Durk. gh just likes trolling. He keeps trying it and everyone keeps shutting him down. He ran away when I posted a pic of his gf. lol
 
L Gilbert
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack View Post

L Gilbert, seeing your post #3, I am willing to put all our past indifferences aside.

I agree with you 100%.

Sounds fine by me. Carrying grudges and bad feelings is a waste, IMO.
 
bobnoorduyn
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Idiot. No-one says anything if it's a low flying aircraft. But, when it's a low flying large aircraft with fighters tailing it it is a situation that isn't common.

It isn't that uncommon either, we are often visited by the RAF and a VC-10 even did a flypast over downtown shadowed by 2 Tornados, someone snapped a picture, (because it is an odd looking aircraft by today's standards) and sent it to the local paper and that was about it.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Besides that, you people, you weren't in NYC when those pl;anes hit the buildings. Easy to sit back in your comfy chairs and pass judgement on New Yorkers who were there.

You don't know where everyone was on that morning, I certainly know where I was, but that's not the point. The point is that life has to go on at some point and we can't live paralyzed in fear forever.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

I have seen things happen that put people in deep trauma. It isn't as easy to get over as you think.

So have I, and I've been there too, but I never expected the rest of the world to grind to a halt while I dealt with it.
 
gerryh
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Don't bother, Durk. gh just likes trolling. He keeps trying it and everyone keeps shutting him down. He ran away when I posted a pic of his gf. lol


you sharing goats with dorka now? doc is gonna be so upset.
 
DurkaDurka
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

you sharing goats with dorka now? doc is gonna be so upset.

I would sooner fornicate with a goat then the men you refer to as your wife.
 
L Gilbert
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

It isn't that uncommon either, we are often visited by the RAF and a VC-10 even did a flypast over downtown shadowed by 2 Tornados, someone snapped a picture, (because it is an odd looking aircraft by today's standards) and sent it to the local paper and that was about it.

It's fairly uncommon in the States.

Quote:

You don't know where everyone was on that morning, I certainly know where I was, but that's not the point. The point is that life has to go on at some point and we can't live paralyzed in fear forever.

Not the point? You think that there's no-one left in New York that was there on Sept 11 when the planes hit the buildings? Of course life has to go on, but sometimes things remind people of a moment that brought them sadness, or horror, etc. I don't know if you've lost a loved one 7 or 8 years ago, but I am pretty sure if you had, you wouldn't want to be reminded of how you felt.

Quote:

So have I, and I've been there too, but I never expected the rest of the world to grind to a halt while I dealt with it.

I doubt New Yorkers expected the world to stop either. I don't think they need their own administration giving them reminders about the incident, though. Especially when it is not necessary. And I don't think the newsmedia shows much tact when they blow the issue out of proportion either.
 
L Gilbert
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

you sharing goats with dorka now? doc is gonna be so upset.

What's that? You say you like rubber goats, too? You really are into the inflatables, aren't you?
 
L Gilbert
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

I would sooner fornicate with a goat then the men you refer to as your wife.

You mean his brother?
 
gerryh
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

I would sooner fornicate with a goat then the men you refer to as your wife.


we all know you prefer f*cking goats....you and doc made it perfectley clear that farm animals was your prefered lay.
 
YukonJack
#28
COME ON!!!

DO NOT let this thread degenerate into exchanges of gutter-snipe hate.
 
gerryh
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack View Post

COME ON!!!

DO NOT let this thread degenerate into exchanges of gutter-snipe hate.


why not? No different than any other thread on this forum.
 
bobnoorduyn
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

It's fairly uncommon in the States.

What? The US has more military aircraft than Canada has civilian. It is quite common to hear air traffic control conversing with "[Military call sign] plus one", or "plus two, three or four" indicating a lead with others in formation. Midair refuelling is also a common sight, you just have to be watchful.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Not the point? You think that there's no-one left in New York that was there on Sept 11 when the planes hit the buildings? Of course life has to go on, but sometimes things remind people of a moment that brought them sadness, or horror, etc. I don't know if you've lost a loved one 7 or 8 years ago, but I am pretty sure if you had, you wouldn't want to be reminded of how you felt.

It was tragic to be sure, but unfortuantely we have no control over how another feels, only the individual does. If we have to adjust our civilization to be sure we don't offend the sensitivities of others the world certainly will grind to a halt. We simply can't stop aircraft from flying any more than we can stop trains from blowing their whistles at level crossings because it may remind folks out here of the carnage caused by vandals throwing a switch on the tracks derailing a passenger train. Expecting others to adjust their lives so as not to remind me of certain events would be selfish, wouldn't it? Though that is not the same as taking precautions to prevent a repeat occurance though, as long as they are sensible.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

And I don't think the newsmedia shows much tact when they blow the issue out of proportion either.

With that I can certainly agree, personally I think this was a tempest in a teapot fed by news agencies on a slow news day. I've seen enough American news to know how they like to sensationalize little or nothing in the name of ratings.
 

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